spironolactone Cream Sucks, Moving on.....

[Slartibartfast]

Thanks. Must use search facility before asking questions.

Jm: RU58841, to give it its full name. Don't know a great deal about it: it's a topical anti-androgen that requires home assembly - buy the stuff in powder form (from China!) and mix with alcohol and... I forget, something else, ppg? el_duterino uses it, so a search of his posts would be the place to start.

But... For Christ's sake don't take my throw-away comment too seriously. I'd only consider messing about with it if I'd tried internals and couldn't tolerate them - side-effect wise - and given the other topicals a fair shot, such as Proxiphen, Fluridil, Xandrox 15%....

Side-effects, is that why you aren't on finasteride?

 

[Petchsky]

Cheers JWM, i think i have some of those cp for wrinkles as an old present to my mum, don't think she finished it off, so, i'll give this a go.

RU57???? is probably for those posters that use to play with a chemistry set when younger, look into xandrox and proxiphen first, like slarti stated.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Who you smiling at?

Super CP Serum - $25 for 1 oz. bottle, $52 for a 4 oz. one. All I'd like to know now is why Squeegee adds 1 or 2 drops per ml. of minoxidil, instead of, say, 3, 4 or 5 drops. Is there some rational process behind it or only guesswork?

 

[Petchsky]

Who you smiling at?

Super CP Serum - $25 for 1 oz. bottle, $52 for a 4 oz. one. All I'd like to know now is why Squeegee adds 1 or 2 drops per ml. of minoxidil, instead of, say, 3, 4 or 5 drops. Is there some rational process behind it or only guesswork?

Why you, sexy, couldn't find one that winks or wolf whistles. It's probably guess work, but there may be some rationale...he has a pretty insane regimen.

 

[Slartibartfast]

The man has "a pretty insane regimen". Well, that's good enough for me... and seems like a 4 oz. bottle will last an age, and no real added complexity to my regimen.

Thinking....

 

[JWM]

On the Skinbiology website they recommend one or two drops to be used on the face/scars etc. Maybe he just assumed one or two drops to minoxidil as well.

Even Dr. Pickart believes less is more when it comes to his products. You'd think from a financial stand-point he'd want us to use tons of his stuff, but he recommends EOD usage and sometimes less than that.

 

[Jm0311]

Do you recommend Folligen or Tricomin?

Sides are not the reason I am not on finasteride....I'm not too thrilled about the side effect potential

I was on it for about a week (.5mg a day) and my semen was very watery and my erections felt soft

I think I will keep spironolactone going for a few more months and see what happens......although I dont see many people using it around here

Looks like Xandrox is the new thing...does that work as an anti androgen?

Prox-n???

 

[Slartibartfast]

Was the Folligen/Tricomin question to me? I've not used either thus far, I'm leaning towards giving Squeegee's 'Super CP Serum mixed with minoxidil' method a go - as discussed a few posts up. I'd rather mix a few drops of the aforementioned serum with the ml. or two of minoxidil I use at night - though perhaps not add it every application - than do a separate dosing with Tric. or Folligen. I'm lazy....

The Xandrox 15% Plus has some finasteride. in it, question mark over how effective this is as an anti-androgen; also, if the finasteride. is well absorbed, would it hit you with the same side-effects as the oral route? Still something to consider. Thread on it here: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=48035

Prox-N is the affordable (non-prescription) formulation: copper peptides, SODs, something else I can't recall; Proxiphen adds minoxidil, spironolactone, and several others to the mix - all for a barely believable price tag of $100 per month. Yes, one month's supply: $100. Blimey.

el_duterino spoke quite highly of Flutagel, but that's been discontinued... which leaves Fluridil, so that's another topical for you to look into.

Just to throw another thing out there... is a low dose of Avodart a possibility?

Slarti

 

[Slartibartfast]

JWM, thanks for the response. Be interesting to hear from Squeegee on this, in particular how often he applies the concoction.

 

[Jm0311]

Dr Lee sells Xandrox 15 plus?....couldnt find where to buy it in that thread

Avodart.....hmmm idk. maybe a .50 eod of finasteride might be in the future

Why do people take avodart rather then finasteride...i never understood that.


I think I might give the folligen cp a try.

maybe also, I will ask Dr Lee. How the following regime would be

spironolactone
Xandrox 15 (maybe plus)
CP
Nizoral

I just dont know if mixing spironolactone with Xandrox would be bad or not

 

[Jm0311]

Cheers JWM, i think i have some of those cp for wrinkles as an old present to my mum, don't think she finished it off, so, i'll give this a go.

RU57???? is probably for those posters that use to play with a chemistry set when younger, look into xandrox and proxiphen first, like slarti stated.

Thanks...I will look into the xandrox

 

[Grantspots]

Definetely not working....only been losing ground.

Time to try another topical

JM can you fill in your "Regimen" so people know what you're using, how long you've been using it, etc? Difficult to give input and advice without knowing your entire regimen and how long you've been at it.

First question here is ... how long have you been using spironolactone?

Are you using Nizoral consistently with it?

etc...

-G-

 

[Slartibartfast]

Jm: The Xandrox 15 Plus is on his site: http://www.minoxidil.com - I know KielMcK uses Xandrox 15 & spironolactone (plus a low dose of finasteride.). But yeah, why not ask Dr. Lee for his opinion on your prospective regime.

Inre: Avodart usage: I went onto it becuse finasteride. hadn't stopped my frontal thinning, only slowed it down.

 

[Jm0311]

Definetely not working....only been losing ground.

Time to try another topical

JM can you fill in your "Regimen" so people know what you're using, how long you've been using it, etc? Difficult to give input and advice without knowing your entire regimen and how long you've been at it.

First question here is ... how long have you been using spironolactone?

Are you using Nizoral consistently with it?

etc...

-G-

I just did......that should help

 

[Jm0311]

Jm: The Xandrox 15 Plus is on his site: http://www.minoxidil.com - I know KielMcK uses Xandrox 15 & spironolactone (plus a low dose of finasteride.). But yeah, why not ask Dr. Lee for his opinion on your prospective regime.

Inre: Avodart usage: I went onto it becuse finasteride. hadn't stopped my frontal thinning, only slowed it down.

Any side effects on Avodart?

Is that a stronger form of finasteride?

I will research that..

 

[Petchsky]

It is stronger than finasteride, but also blocks scalp DHT, which finasteride doesn't...how much of a difference this makes i don't know.

 

[treadstone]

I'm pretty sure finasteride reduces DHT in the scalp, just not as much as Dutasteride. If finasteride didn't reduce DHT in the scalp it wouldn't be very effective as a hairloss treatment, given that systemic DHT is only a minor player.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I wonder if Petch had in mind Avodart's inhibition of type I & II 5-alpha reductase, in contrast to Finasteride's inhibition of just type II? It would certainly fit with his remark: "how much of a difference this makes [in combating male pattern baldness] i don't know".

I could be wrong. Perhaps Petch's mind has finally let go....


Edit: Forgot to say...

Jm, Given dutasteride's potency I'd suggest giving finasteride. another go first, to see if the side effects dissipate with a little time.

 

[Petchsky]

I wonder if Petch had in mind Avodart's inhibition of type I & II 5-alpha reductase, in contrast to Finasteride's inhibition of just type II? It would certainly fit with his remark: "how much of a difference this makes [in combating male pattern baldness] i don't know".

You are correct, got mixed up with type I and type II. :$

 

[Jm0311]

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