Stem Cell Injections from your own Fat

[hairmenow]

Anyone out there who has tried this?

They extract stem cells from the fat around your abdomen and inject into your scalp. Some of the articles based on research we've seen recently do mention fat stem cells.

http://www.returninghope.com/stem-cell-therapy-for-hair-restoration.html

 

[Sparky4444]

..so this stuff is going full-steam ahead in Asia..but not here?? This why we're hearing 2015 for this kind of stuff??...

 

[resu]

Your total price for this package is $12,000 - $18,000 US dollars

:uglylol:

 

[hairmenow]

I live in Asia and I'm thinking about trying this, but can't seem to find any solid info on the procedure, or anyone who has actually done it. Otherwise just apply that cash to a transplant.

 

[BlackSheep]

I have family with expertise in this topic and I can near-assure you it's bogus. I'm sorry.

Stem cells do exist in abdominal fat and also gastric epithelium (oddly enough), but let's think about it for a minute.

You have these undifferentiated cells, with the potential to become practically any kind of cell.

Yet it wasn't a problem with the cells in your scalp to begin with, was it? Were your follicles inherently damaged from birth? Nope.

As we all know, it's down to the scalp's heightened susceptibility to DHT. Now, for whatever reason, some of the men in the world have more of that circulating around because of more 5aR activity in their bodies.

A leading doctor in my region of the world who I spoke to about this believes a cure for androgenetic alopecia is "within years" and will probably take the form of a selective DHT receptor blocker in scalp follicles. Basically, a drug that stops the DHT from latching onto the follicles to begin with.

See, that's a logical cure for male pattern baldness. Implanting your gut into your crown makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Sparky4444]

As we all know, it's down to the scalp's heightened susceptibility to DHT. Now, for whatever reason, some of the men in the world have more of that circulating around because of more 5aR activity in their bodies.

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Wrong...for whatever reason, skin cells on the scalp are not all created equal -- obviously...male pattern baldness is MALE PATTERN BALDNESS -- note the PATTERN part of that...it's selective...to say men with male pattern baldness have more DHT than those with non-male pattern baldness men is totally wrong

 

[BlackSheep]

^ No need to jump the gun.

Explain why some men with androgenetic alopecia have diffuse hair loss as opposed to a receding hair line? You're fixating on the common presentation rather than approaching this from a broader POV.

Also explain why androgenetic alopecia, or its common presentation as male pattern baldness, may happen to guys shortly after (or even during late) adolescence?

 

[Sparky4444]

^ No need to jump the gun.

Explain why some men with androgenetic alopecia have diffuse hair loss as opposed to a receding hair line? You're fixating on the common presentation rather than approaching this from a broader POV.

Also explain why androgenetic alopecia, or its common presentation as male pattern baldness, may happen to guys shortly after (or even during late) adolescence?

Because its in the genetic code of select skin cells on the scalp -- for whatever reason...My temples are gone, but there is one hair that grows no matter what -- I pluck it and it grows back...

...it just baffles me what instigated the need for evolution to process this kind of skin condition with such a defined horseshoe pattern...I don't effin' get it...it really is natures cruel joke

 

[abcdefg]

I have family with expertise in this topic and I can near-assure you it's bogus. I'm sorry.

Stem cells do exist in abdominal fat and also gastric epithelium (oddly enough), but let's think about it for a minute.

You have these undifferentiated cells, with the potential to become practically any kind of cell.

Yet it wasn't a problem with the cells in your scalp to begin with, was it? Were your follicles inherently damaged from birth? Nope.

As we all know, it's down to the scalp's heightened susceptibility to DHT. Now, for whatever reason, some of the men in the world have more of that circulating around because of more 5aR activity in their bodies.

A leading doctor in my region of the world who I spoke to about this believes a cure for androgenetic alopecia is "within years" and will probably take the form of a selective DHT receptor blocker in scalp follicles. Basically, a drug that stops the DHT from latching onto the follicles to begin with.

See, that's a logical cure for male pattern baldness. Implanting your gut into your crown makes absolutely no sense.

CB 03 01 is in early phases right now for hair loss and basically does exactly this by targeting the receptors in a topical. I agree this has always been the way to target male pattern baldness the trick has always been doing it safely not an easy task. The problem is this wont be here for another 5 years with how slow the whole FDA thing goes. Also you need hair for it to actually work at keeping it since it probably wont regrow much.
male pattern baldness hits after puberty because your androgens spike up as you get chest hair, facial hair and all that so does male pattern baldness as your follicles are sensitive to them. Propecia works showing it is in fact androgens. Propecia is just not strong enough to stop male pattern baldness or work for everyone.

Stem cells are the latest buzzword to get everyone excited thinking some unproven new treatment will magically cure whatever problem. Stem cells are still being researched generally speaking they are not proven safe and ready for primetime lots of unknowns still. Wait for them to get it approved and thoroughly tested you dont want to be a guinea pig.

 

[BlackSheep]

Because its in the genetic code of select skin cells on the scalp -- for whatever reason...My temples are gone, but there is one hair that grows no matter what -- I pluck it and it grows back...

...it just baffles me what instigated the need for evolution to process this kind of skin condition with such a defined horseshoe pattern...I don't effin' get it...it really is natures cruel joke

Without sounding like a punk, those were largely rhetorical questions. I can appreciate the baldness is difficult (I might be heading in that direction, no pun intended), but honestly, there must be separation between one's own experience and the hard science.

I have had asthma since a youth. I'm also unfortunate enough to have hyperextending joints. It's all one big cruel joke, yeah, as guys smaller/whatever than me can lift more without worrying about tight chests or serious shoulder sprains. But that shouldn't stop me or you from moving the heck on.

CB 03 01 is in early phases right now for hair loss and basically does exactly this by targeting the receptors in a topical. I agree this has always been the way to target male pattern baldness the trick has always been doing it safely not an easy task. The problem is this wont be here for another 5 years with how slow the whole FDA thing goes. Also you need hair for it to actually work at keeping it since it probably wont regrow much.
male pattern baldness hits after puberty because your androgens spike up as you get chest hair, facial hair and all that so does male pattern baldness as your follicles are sensitive to them. Propecia works showing it is in fact androgens. Propecia is just not strong enough to stop male pattern baldness or work for everyone.

Stem cells are the latest buzzword to get everyone excited thinking some unproven new treatment will magically cure whatever problem. Stem cells are still being researched generally speaking they are not proven safe and ready for primetime lots of unknowns still. Wait for them to get it approved and thoroughly tested you dont want to be a guinea pig.

Completely agree. That was the underlying science I was trying to pincer out of the discussion with Sparx.

The doctor I spoke to also reckoned it was around five years away; he was probably referring to the CB 03 01 trials you speak of.

So, if the DHT is selectively blocked from scalp follicles, it serves as an effective preventative for those with a high likelihood of baldness (say both sides of family).

Your comment about "hair needed for it to actually work" interested me; presumably because of follicle miniaturization due to DHT, correct? Is there any science out there concerning re-invigoration of these dormant hair follicles? I've heard a lot about that Alepecin caffeine shampoo. Would you say that has any merit?

 

[goingon24]

I have family with expertise in this topic and I can near-assure you it's bogus. I'm sorry.

Stem cells do exist in abdominal fat and also gastric epithelium (oddly enough), but let's think about it for a minute.

You have these undifferentiated cells, with the potential to become practically any kind of cell.

Yet it wasn't a problem with the cells in your scalp to begin with, was it? Were your follicles inherently damaged from birth? Nope.

As we all know, it's down to the scalp's heightened susceptibility to DHT. Now, for whatever reason, some of the men in the world have more of that circulating around because of more 5aR activity in their bodies.

A leading doctor in my region of the world who I spoke to about this believes a cure for androgenetic alopecia is "within years" and will probably take the form of a selective DHT receptor blocker in scalp follicles. Basically, a drug that stops the DHT from latching onto the follicles to begin with.

See, that's a logical cure for male pattern baldness. Implanting your gut into your crown makes absolutely no sense.

*If this works it won't be a cure for everyone, just the people that have enough hair left on their head to care about* Damaged structures would have to be rebuilt using stem cells if that's even possible.

Honestly they'll probably just make a cure to stop balding and then let everyone with hairloss die off. Then they won't have to come up with a treatment to regrow hair because it would be useless in a few decades.