steroids and the big 3

[mj9]

hey guys i just wanted to know if anyone taking anabolic steroids and on the big 3, if so is finasteride effiecient at blocking all dht?

basically if i take them am i gonna lose the hair that i have or is finasteride good enough to block any hairloss?

ps i have never taken steroids in my life but i am a gym freak and recently i am just not getting any growth and finding it really difficult to burn fat since i hit the big 3! this is why i was contemplating taking them but dont want to lose my hair...

 

[made_guy82]

there are good reasons not to, like the extra estrogen created because the excess test can't be converted to dht, the fact that you will more than likely still aggravate your hairloss if you're already struggling to maintain, the fact that your post cycle therapy will take even longer and your rebound effect may be more excessive...

do as much research as possible, and then you will find that it is still a gamble - and then ask which is more important - a couple of months of looking jacked (that you had to pay for), or no further risk to your hair....? you're on this site so..... :dunno:

 

[FlashDance]

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=47637

Look at what happened to this theoretically non-male pattern baldness prone woman who took steroids....

 

[made_guy82]

http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=47637

Look at what happened to this theoretically non-male pattern baldness prone woman who took steroids....

....when people are asking serious questions, unless you have any actual knowledge - shut up.

 

[mj9]

there are good reasons not to, like the extra estrogen created because the excess test can't be converted to dht, the fact that you will more than likely still aggravate your hairloss if you're already struggling to maintain, the fact that your post cycle therapy will take even longer and your rebound effect may be more excessive...

do as much research as possible, and then you will find that it is still a gamble - and then ask which is more important - a couple of months of looking jacked (that you had to pay for), or no further risk to your hair....? you're on this site so..... :dunno:

well i have always been a gym freak and have to admit the gym is a major part of my life... i love pumping up in the gym but sice the hairloss i have become very moody, aggressive and depressed so hair is defo very important to me.... saying that, my hair are starting to grow again but my body looks sh*t, i m still in really good shape but no way near my peak... also finding it difficult to burn fat.... therefore i m getting depressed cause i m doing sh*t at the gym... however, i dont want to risk my hair so if it means hairloss again then i wont be considering any form anabolic steriods... have you had any experience, increased shedding? maybe up the dose of finasteride or get on dutasteride to kill off any dht? also can take an anti estrogen drugs?

 

[Norsk]

I remember at least one guy in here trying this. He thought it worked at first, but heavy shedding set in after a while.

 

[mj9]

I remember at least one guy in here trying this. He thought it worked at first, but heavy shedding set in after a while.

good shedding or bad shedding?

 

[Norsk]

bad

 

[rusty_y2k2]

- There are certain steroids that are better than others in regards to hair, none are going to help you in that department though. I'm not going to start listing this stuff on here though...

- It is relatively common to take finasteride and use nizoral on cycle to minimize loss, and yes it does work to some extent. Again though notice the word minimize, not eliminate. And these are usually guys who aren't that prone to male pattern baldness... those that are and juice end up bald pretty quickly in my experience.

- There are many, many other issues associated with steriods and "pro-hormones" (don't be fooled into thinking the latter is any less serious) and you absolutely must not dick about with them unless you are 110% prepared and have everything you might need on hand and quickly available to you. Try running around like a headless chicken for a SERM when you realise you need one desperately but didn't get it before beginning your cycle. PCT is vital to get right, not only to get your endocrine system back in check but also to keep any gains you have got - thus stopping the bombardment you just gave your body and liver from being a colossal waste of time.

- Pulsing type protocols can reduce the side effects both long term and short, but gains will be slower. That means you'll be effectively suffering the effects on your hair to a lesser extent but for a longer time. It's a toss up in my opinion.

- If anything I've written here is new to you, you need to educate yourself much more before you take the leap.

I'll qualify the above with saying I have never run a cycle, I have never needed to. You can get a lot of where you want to go with getting the training right, the diet right and there are a few non-hormonal or at least minimally hormonal supps that can help push you in the right direction too... all without f*****g up your hair and without shutdown. It's all to easy to come up against a wall and take the easy way out when all you needed to do was change your diet and workout. Anyway, I do have an interest in these things and have tried to educate myself on them as I'm a big fitness nut in general and also have an interest in biology and the science of exercise, so I do have a small idea as to what I'm on about. Feel free to PM me and I'll point you in the direction of better information than you will ever find on this forum... or if you just want advice on how to bust your plateau without resorting to juicing.

 

[Cassin]

Feel free to PM me and I'll point you in the direction of better information than you will ever find on this forum... or if you just want advice on how to bust your plateau without resorting to juicing.

Post and share with the class....no need to hide it with pm's.

Make a thread...share info.

 

[rusty_y2k2]

I hate it when teacher catches you...

Which bit in particular are you referring to cassin?

 

[Cassin]

I hate it when teacher catches you...

Which bit in particular are you referring to cassin?

:innocent:

Whatever you're referring to in that quote. This forums is about sharing info to all.

 

[rusty_y2k2]

I'll try making a thread when I get a chance then... It's a bit difficult though since it's never a one size fits all kind of subject. It'd probably be easier to just reply to whatever mj wants to know and others can see if it applies to them.

 

[Cassin]

I'll try making a thread when I get a chance then... It's a bit difficult though since it's never a one size fits all kind of subject.

It will work itself out in time...

Just don't offer to sell anything in regards to the subject and I'm happy. People can make their own decisions after that based on your advice.

We try to let the posters do whatever they want here as much as possible.

 

[GonnaBeatHairLoss]

Hey mj. I'm a bit of a gym rat myself and I love bodybuilding and weightlifting (although I may not be the best).
You probably know this already but how is your diet? Maybe you're consuming too many calories or you're eating too much of a certain food group while not getting enough of another.

 

[mj9]

Hey mj. I'm a bit of a gym rat myself and I love bodybuilding and weightlifting (although I may not be the best).
You probably know this already but how is your diet? Maybe you're consuming too many calories or you're eating too much of a certain food group while not getting enough of another.

hey, my diet has been good and bad... i went through a stages starting with being very ripped, then ripped and big, then big/bulk and not that much cut... now i am pretty lean but lost a lot of size... my biggest worry is that i cant be bothered lifting heavy weights anymore... i remember i was obsessed with going heavy...

anyway as you pointed out my diet was sh*t at one point and i was only consuming protien and stuffing myself all the time, thats when i was very bulky but not ripped.... maybe thats why i started losing hair because thats when i started losing hair... anyway i have a good diet now but i m not eating that much to allow me to gain more mass so i m just concentrating on being ripped...

As you get older you start to realise just how difficult bodybuilding and weightlifting is....

anyway, how much are you eating a day?

 

[the Last Fight]

^^ seriously, its much harder to build muscle than it did 5 years ago for me, mayeb the propecia is also a hinderance

 

[GonnaBeatHairLoss]

Hey mj. I'm a bit of a gym rat myself and I love bodybuilding and weightlifting (although I may not be the best).
You probably know this already but how is your diet? Maybe you're consuming too many calories or you're eating too much of a certain food group while not getting enough of another.

hey, my diet has been good and bad... i went through a stages starting with being very ripped, then ripped and big, then big/bulk and not that much cut... now i am pretty lean but lost a lot of size... my biggest worry is that i cant be bothered lifting heavy weights anymore... i remember i was obsessed with going heavy...

anyway as you pointed out my diet was sh*t at one point and i was only consuming protien and stuffing myself all the time, thats when i was very bulky but not ripped.... maybe thats why i started losing hair because thats when i started losing hair... anyway i have a good diet now but i m not eating that much to allow me to gain more mass so i m just concentrating on being ripped...

As you get older you start to realise just how difficult bodybuilding and weightlifting is....

anyway, how much are you eating a day?

Ah yeah man definitely. I'm only 20 and it's hard to obtain the goals I want.
I went from eating as much as 6-7k calories per day to as low as 1k.
I find that my body can handle around 3.5-4k calories to maintain so that's what I get now.
I don't have a set diet everyday because I'm at school, but I try to get something like 40%/40%/20% in terms of protein, fats, and carbohydrates.
It kinda sucks now because back in high school I would cook my own food or eat a set diet. I would get to eat around 8 meals a day so the massive calories (well for me) were spread throughout the day. I get to eat only around 3-4 meals per day max now because of classes and all that other stuff so in some meals I'm getting like 1.5-2k calories at once.
I'm trying to eat relatively healthy because I dirty bulked in the beginning of college and although my strength was increasing like crazy and my muscles were getting really dense, I didn't like the fat and small stretch marks that came along with it.
I never got to the point where I was big and ripped, but I hope to get there someday soon .
My main concern right now is to gain back the strength that I lost over the past year due to me being lazy and not hitting the weights consistently. It sucks big time when you can barely put up a few times a weight that you used to rep out easily.

 

[mj9]

I don't have a set diet everyday because I'm at school, but I try to get something like 40%/40%/20% in terms of protein, fats, and carbohydrates.
.

man that a lot of fat 40%
and not enough carbs 20%

:shock: ???

 

[squeegee]

If you want to go on some cycles of juice... Dutasteride is better...period.. and yes you can take finasteride without any problems..