Stopped finasteride Because Of Gyno, What Are My Options?

[thetresster]

Hey guys,

I stopped using finasteride 2 months ago because I started developing gyno (confirmed by doctor). So far I've been using minoxidil and nizoral (As I have been for a few years) but after the 2 months since I've gotten off finasteride it's clear that min and nizoral don't really help a lot and the lack of finasteride is hurting.

My question is: What should I do at this point? I don't want to shave and I don't want to lose my hair.

Should I just stick with min and nizoral and hopes my balding slows down? Or that it ends up working?

Should I microdose finasteride? Would lower doses mean that the gyno wouldn't develop? Or, if gyno is a matter of a sudden change in hormone balance, would microdosing and eventually working up to full dose be helpful?

Should I go back on finasteride and take some supplements to prevent estrogen conversion?

Am I fucked?

Thanks

 

[Michael1986]

You could have surgery done to permanently remove the gyno if you're able to afford it, and then you could start using finasteride again after the surgery. The surgery costs about USD $3500, or in the UK, GBP £3,500-£5,500.

In the absence of getting gyno surgery done, I don't think you should use finasteride at all.

Unfortunately, without finasteride (or dutasteride), your options are limited, but you could check out experimental topical antiandrogens like RU58841 and CB-03-01.

 

[g.i joey]

Remove gyno with letro or serm asap. Once gyno is taken care of get on tiny doses of finasteride, introducing bigger doses over months (ex: .25 mg/day and on 7th day take 1mg, do that for a month and then do 1mg twice a week other days .25 and so on) take dim supplement, keeping weight low, working out and generally living a healthier lifestyle all contribute to lowering estrogen levels. This has worked for me , I actually got minor gyno from finasteride in 2014 when j was only trying it. I got everything under control and finally hopped back on full time in September 2016, safe to say I have had no recurrence of gyno. Although I don't take finasteride 7/7 days my regimen looks smtn like 1mg/ tues-thur-sun and .5mg Monday and Wednesday, I take Friday and sat off. This regimen has slow d down hair loss and maybe even halted it but i don't suffer from symptoms of elevated estrogen anymore which was my main concern.

 

[thetresster]

@Michael1986 do you think microdosing finasteride would be okay? It really does seem like min+nizoral isn't working too well and I don't want to touch the experimental stuff yet. Do you think a bit of DHT inhibition would also mean less incidence of gyno?

@g.i joey Did the letro or serm actuall remove the gyno? My gyno is very minor but it's still there, and I don't really want to touch serms or AIs because I hear they can cause more hair loss + throw hormones even more out of flux. What's your experience with microdosing?

 

[Michael1986]

@Michael1986 do you think microdosing finasteride would be okay? It really does seem like min+nizoral isn't working too well and I don't want to touch the experimental stuff yet. Do you think a bit of DHT inhibition would also mean less incidence of gyno?

The cause of the side-effects is the DHT inhibition. If you reduce your dose so much that you no longer have side-effects, chances are that it will not be effectively treating your hair loss because it will be removing so little DHT. It would be difficult to accurately split a tablet into such tiny pieces to make a dose that small anyway.

 

[g.i joey]

@g.i joey Did the letro or serm actuall remove the gyno? My gyno is very minor but it's still there, and I don't really want to touch serms or AIs because I hear they can cause more hair loss + throw hormones even more out of flux. What's your experience with microdosing?

I also had just a tiny tissue spot and in about a month of letro it had disappeared, I definitely lost hair in that time span but was more concerned about gyno than anything. One thing I can say is that letro sides are BRUTAL. Also, if you look at vodybuilders regimens of letro to kill gyno from roids, that guide is what I used in order to get rid of mine, and it worked 100%, ymmv

I actually posted before and after pics back then but deleted them once people confirmed there was an aesthetic improvement in my gyno.

My experience with microdosing is that nothing works as good as 1mg but introducing and also tapering off meds like this seems like the most logical way to go about taking them.

 

[thetresster]

@g.i joey any chance you could pm me your before/after? I might have similar gyno development.

 

[g.i joey]

@g.i joey any chance you could pm me your before/after? I might have similar gyno development.

I actually relied on the threads here to have them saved for me but realized posting pictures of my nipples on a random forum where people I can possibly know can access I just deleted that too, so I don't have them anymore. But I know of other bodybuilders personally who have used letro to kill gyno and it's worked for them too.

 

[thetresster]

anyone else deal with gyno on finasteride and can tell me what they did next in terms of treatment?

 

[shookwun]

I would just develop the gyno then have it surgically removed.

Had the surgery done myself, and it's relatively simple surgery. recovery and such is rather instant with mild discomfort. But I can assure you that spending a few thousand to have your glands removed to keep your hair with the continued usage of finasteride is in your best interests.


Would you rather be bald wishing you spent a few measly grand to maintain your aesthetics?

In canada the surgery is free and covered by provincial health care

 

[shookwun]

Remove gyno with letro or serm asap. Once gyno is taken care of get on tiny doses of finasteride, introducing bigger doses over months (ex: .25 mg/day and on 7th day take 1mg, do that for a month and then do 1mg twice a week other days .25 and so on) take dim supplement, keeping weight low, working out and generally living a healthier lifestyle all contribute to lowering estrogen levels. This has worked for me , I actually got minor gyno from finasteride in 2014 when j was only trying it. I got everything under control and finally hopped back on full time in September 2016, safe to say I have had no recurrence of gyno. Although I don't take finasteride 7/7 days my regimen looks smtn like 1mg/ tues-thur-sun and .5mg Monday and Wednesday, I take Friday and sat off. This regimen has slow d down hair loss and maybe even halted it but i don't suffer from symptoms of elevated estrogen anymore which was my main concern.

You cant remove gyno with SERM or letro this has been debunked countless times and I have even experimented with it personally. Nolvadex, arimidex and letro with no effects at all. These drugs are preventive, and dont reverse the effects once they establish. However, they can shrink while with continued use, but once you stop the gland will revert and continue getting worse.

These drugs are not safe for prolong use

 

[thetresster]

I would just develop the gyno then have it surgically removed.

Had the surgery done myself, and it's relatively simple surgery. recovery and such is rather instant with mild discomfort. But I can assure you that spending a few thousand to have your glands removed to keep your hair with the continued usage of finasteride is in your best interests.


Would you rather be bald wishing you spent a few measly grand to maintain your aesthetics?

In canada the surgery is free and covered by provincial health care

If you get the surgery wouldn't continued finasteride usage just mean more gyno growth?

Also what's your story about finasteride and gyno? How long did it take for the gyno to grow, what were the symptoms, etc.?

 

[g.i joey]

You cant remove gyno with SERM or letro this has been debunked countless times and I have even experimented with it personally. Nolvadex, arimidex and letro with no effects at all. These drugs are preventive, and dont reverse the effects once they establish. However, they can shrink while with continued use, but once you stop the gland will revert and continue getting worse.

These drugs are not safe for prolong use

i personally shrunk a decent amount of tissue while on letro for almost a month, but it should be noted that i also got on letro literally within 1 month of onset of gyno and gyno symptoms. This does work and i know it doesnt mean much but my doctor was so willing to prescribe it to me because his database has a side note for off label usage on letro, which is used for gyno in men.

To be fair, ive read of dozens of cases where letro or SERMS didnt wokr out as expected, but keyword in treating gyno with an AI is EARLY.. once the gland and tissue develops to be fibrous, its not going anywhere without surgery.

 

[shookwun]

If you get the surgery wouldn't continued finasteride usage just mean more gyno growth?

Also what's your story about finasteride and gyno? How long did it take for the gyno to grow, what were the symptoms, etc.?

No. I had the gland/lump permanently removed along with glandular tissue. Have been cycling lots of steroids inbetween and nothing that demonstrates growth has been seen.

i personally shrunk a decent amount of tissue while on letro for almost a month, but it should be noted that i also got on letro literally within 1 month of onset of gyno and gyno symptoms. This does work and i know it doesnt mean much but my doctor was so willing to prescribe it to me because his database has a side note for off label usage on letro, which is used for gyno in men.

To be fair, ive read of dozens of cases where letro or SERMS didnt wokr out as expected, but keyword in treating gyno with an AI is EARLY.. once the gland and tissue develops to be fibrous, its not going anywhere without surgery.

Once you have that actuall gland/lump behind your areola then it's over. The gland will either maintain or contiune to get bigger.

So I assume when you talk about a gland you are referring to the tissue surrounding?

Another issue we face is that my gyno came from anabolic steroids, these drugs will do absolutely nothing once your hormones are in wack. it literally got bigger and bigger to the point where I had no other choice but to physically remove it. Serms did nothing, because it was already established.

The gyno you describe is not the same and by the way you describe it seems like some onset and signs rather then a full blown case of it. I am guessing sensitivity, itching and at max such tissue growth?

 

[Michael1986]

If you get the surgery wouldn't continued finasteride usage just mean more gyno growth?

If you have the breast gland removed completely, it will fix the problem permanently. You can then use finasteride after the surgery and there will be no possibility of further gyno development.

 

[g.i joey]

@shookwun well the tissue surrounding is what developed from finasteride, i always had tiny glands in my nips (prob from being a 300 pound fatty at like 13) about the size of peas, but they never made an aesthetic difference and i never had HUGE gyno tits despite being a motherfucking fatty. But when i took finasteride i got exactly the itchy burning irritation and noticed 2 weeks later i had tissue surrounding my nips, and the aesthetic look was brooootal. 2 weeks after that i was on letro and within a week i noticed a minor reduction of tissue, within a month it was completely gone, i was taking up to 2.5mg daily by that point. (NOTE: i was also on a serious weight loss spree and off finasteride for the time i ran the letro protocol, i think i lost a good 10-15 pounds that month)

 

[ElTioLaBota]

No. I had the gland/lump permanently removed along with glandular tissue. Have been cycling lots of steroids inbetween and nothing that demonstrates growth has been seen.
If i had gyno during puberty and that tissue is already fibrous, if i take propecia will it get worse? I mean my moobs will grow?




Once you have that actuall gland/lump behind your areola then it's over. The gland will either maintain or contiune to get bigger.

So I assume when you talk about a gland you are referring to the tissue surrounding?

Another issue we face is that my gyno came from anabolic steroids, these drugs will do absolutely nothing once your hormones are in wack. it literally got bigger and bigger to the point where I had no other choice but to physically remove it. Serms did nothing, because it was already established.

The gyno you describe is not the same and by the way you describe it seems like some onset and signs rather then a full blown case of it. I am guessing sensitivity, itching and at max such tissue growth?

 

[Alk]

Letro can shrink gyno back to nothing in early stages even if you develop gland, gyno can even go away itself but its rare.

Letro itself can cause hairloss, estrogen rebound.

Surgery can cost 4-12k usd so it depends where you are and its not covered by insurance in the us.

Gyno can 100% come back after surgey, there is no way to prevent that unless u remove all the tissue which would make ur chest sunken and would not look nice. Its rare for reoccurencr unless you use steriods or are very gyno prone.

 

[michel sapin]

@shookwun ; hey man , i have come to the same conclusion
hair is superior to gyno , and removing gyno is easier than recovering hair !
so i will do a gyno surgery this summer , and the hop on dutasteride ( eventually!).
But does the gyno surgery leaves scars around the nipples ?
and i read on gynecomastia forum that if you developped gyno because of fina it can come back even after the gyno surgery ( don't remove all the gland so it can regrow again );

 

[Finjunkie]

I've been on finasteride for years. I've had minor gyno since I was 13 and IDGAF. Unless you're in really good shape nobody sees the gland in your man titties anyways. Sure I can feel it, but who's gonna fondle moobs?

finasteride didn't make it worse but getting fat as balls over the last 5 years sure did.

The surgery to remove it is pretty simple and cheap. They're both cosmetic, both require surgery to fix... But gyno is way easier to fix than hairloss. Choose your curse, I'll take the frogurt.


And the level of bro science in this thread is off the charts. Lay off a bit on the pseudoscience before ya cause someone to sterilize themselves.

And btw microdosing is bunk. They did dose ranging studies with finasteride and measured DHT suppression. 1mg was chosen as optimal dose and below 0.5 mg it doesn't suppress sh*t.