taboo: masturbation and negative feedback

[NINJAX]

(due to the increasing amount of views and violent reactions please leave your observations without any ungentlemanly remarks...were all here to help each other out... leave your personal experience to shed light on the topic)

Taboo topic alert!!!

MAS....TUR....BA.....TION!!!
(or ejaculation)

lets face it 90 percent of guys do it or even more.. daily...weekly...monthly..maybe even hourly for those who just are too stimulated.

Well this topic isn't to promote that taboo topic.

its a simple reminder on the effects of masturbation on the body if its not put in check...especially in relation to male pattern baldness which is mainly caused by male hormones...

Being a registered nurse il put my studies in a very simplistic manner as i can for all to enjoy. MALE hormones the one responsible for male growth and development are produced by the gonads (Ur testicles) they produce male hormones utilized by the body for those male features such as facial hair...the male body type (Muscular..think of arnold..il be back!) and male behaviour( agressiveness)...

ok now to the NEGATIVE FEEDBACK... this NF is a process in the body which alerts certain body parts ..for example when youre dehydrated the body sends signals to the kidneys to stop expelling fluid for conservation..

so... this NF in terms of M will create a negative feedback to the body and tell the Gonads to produce more hormones ...this includes male hormones and DHT! and for people sensitive to DHT u will have male pattern baldness..

and thats not all!!! male hormones or the surge of hormones in the body causing unbalance will also affect other parts such as the skin on the face...you will notice the effects in terms of ACNE.. your skin suddenly becomes oily the next day ..itchiness here and there..because an excess of hormones has alerted the oil glands to produce more sebum

In association with the scalp u will notice oiliness and later itchiness a build up of sebum on the scalp causing itchiness and dandruff..and then alot of weak hair that if u try to pull them....will fall of!

Now this theory i believe is more true to those people sensitive to dht in the scalp ...and these are the people with male pattern baldness..l

People not sensitive to DHT have full head of hairs and not prone to acne

so in conclusion...putting M in check is a big must...its hard to stop it for many so keeping it in check would dramatically decrease the serum level in the blood. LEss M less effects of male pattern baldness...


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[dougfunny]

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Dudeeee!

(you are an idiot)


from my personal observation, it would appear that guys with more testosterone/dht and therefore screw/masturbate more are more likely to have male pattern baldness.

and consequently you find some guys like say george lucus who are clearly lacking in testosterone who never develop male pattern baldness.

but the fact is the actual act of having/sex masturbating DOES NOT MATTER.

it's your hormones that cause you to do it. not the other way around. do what feels right and stfu unk:

 

[NINJAX]

Whooa!!

Dudeeee!

(you are an idiot)


from my personal observation, it would appear that guys with more testosterone/dht and therefore screw/masturbate more are more likely to have male pattern baldness.

and consequently you find some guys like say george lucus who are clearly lacking in testosterone who never develop male pattern baldness.

but the fact is the actual act of having/sex masturbating DOES NOT MATTER.

it's your hormones that cause you to do it. not the other way around. do what feels right and stfu unk:

hehe quite the violent reaction i had expected.

correct its ur hormones that cause u to do it....thats where negative feedback comes in... when u ejaculate u release sperm right? so this will provide negative feedback to ur body to increase hormones... the same hormones which in excess causes an imbalance in the body...which should be put in check... some people who aren't sensitive to dht will not have increased hairfall... hormones affect the production in sebum...oiliness created.

its not easy to stop... i guess thats why u have such a violent reaction hehe and fyi male pattern baldness is genetically based...so if u have the gene M will only make it worse...hey but if its that good who cares about male pattern baldness right?

and yup ur hormones cause you to do it...thats why it takes iron will to keep it in check...maybe u need more training in mental strength...simply controlling ur impulses..aha

 

[tdawg7669]

But if what you say is true, and that is a BIG IF, as there dont seem to be many scientific studies in support of it, that means that having sex would have the same effect.

Whats the point of having good hair to attract a partner if you cant have sex with that partner?

 

[tdawg7669]

Whooa!!

Dudeeee!

(you are an idiot)


from my personal observation, it would appear that guys with more testosterone/dht and therefore screw/masturbate more are more likely to have male pattern baldness.

and consequently you find some guys like say george lucus who are clearly lacking in testosterone who never develop male pattern baldness.

but the fact is the actual act of having/sex masturbating DOES NOT MATTER.

it's your hormones that cause you to do it. not the other way around. do what feels right and stfu unk:

hehe quite the violent reaction i had expected.

correct its ur hormones that cause u to do it....thats where negative feedback comes in... when u ejaculate u release sperm right? so this will provide negative feedback to ur body to increase hormones... the same hormones which in excess causes an imbalance in the body...which should be put in check... some people who aren't sensitive to dht will not have increased hairfall... hormones affect the production in sebum...oiliness created.

its not easy to stop... i guess thats why u have such a violent reaction hehe and fyi male pattern baldness is genetically based...so if u have the gene M will only make it worse...hey but if its that good who cares about male pattern baldness right?

and yup ur hormones cause you to do it...thats why it takes iron will to keep it in check...maybe u need more training in mental strength...simply controlling ur impulses..aha

But the hormone production would simply replace what was ejaculated, correct? So how would it cause any difference? Unless you are saying that the actual process of creating testosterone, not the testosterone itself is what creates DHT.

 

[dougfunny]

oooooh negative feedback trippy dude you should go back to the 1700s and people might take you seriously!

 

[NINJAX]

Whooa!!

Dudeeee!

(you are an idiot)


from my personal observation, it would appear that guys with more testosterone/dht and therefore screw/masturbate more are more likely to have male pattern baldness.

and consequently you find some guys like say george lucus who are clearly lacking in testosterone who never develop male pattern baldness.

but the fact is the actual act of having/sex masturbating DOES NOT MATTER.

it's your hormones that cause you to do it. not the other way around. do what feels right and stfu unk:

hehe quite the violent reaction i had expected.

correct its ur hormones that cause u to do it....thats where negative feedback comes in... when u ejaculate u release sperm right? so this will provide negative feedback to ur body to increase hormones... the same hormones which in excess causes an imbalance in the body...which should be put in check... some people who aren't sensitive to dht will not have increased hairfall... hormones affect the production in sebum...oiliness created.

its not easy to stop... i guess thats why u have such a violent reaction hehe and fyi male pattern baldness is genetically based...so if u have the gene M will only make it worse...hey but if its that good who cares about male pattern baldness right?

and yup ur hormones cause you to do it...thats why it takes iron will to keep it in check...maybe u need more training in mental strength...simply controlling ur impulses..aha

But the hormone production would simply replace what was ejaculated, correct? So how would it cause any difference? Unless you are saying that the actual process of creating testosterone, not the testosterone itself is what creates DHT.

Exactly the hormone production would replace it but it would cause a surge in the production of hormones...that includes dht...u can read up on dht..on "biology of baldness" u can google it... ..my point is to have a balance using something to much will always cause a strain in the system...but moreso this observation is for the people sensitive to the hormones... people have different reactions to different stimuli... u can try the method really if u want...just abstain from spilling anything for a a week and ah half and tell me the difference it has on ur skin and hair...

 

[NINJAX]

oooooh negative feedback trippy dude you should go back to the 1700s and people might take you seriously!

haha ur really taking this like people in the 1700 hundreds... the world is flat!2x

have u had success lately with ur hair? because i have... im just paying it forward dude...i lost all my temple hair and now its back after only 3 months? i guess maybe ur beating me up like this because u have better results i guess...

if thats the case i will shut up...hey but if anyone else there thinks otherwise then il go on ahead...

i guess u havent been doing much research all u know is the big 3!

but then again... u must be the most successful person here so i guess theres no point in arguing

 

[tdawg7669]

I shall abstain for a week and a half. However I dont think it would help me even if it is true.

I am not a diffuser. My crown is at 100% thickness. I have a receding hairline. In that gray area of Norwood 2/3. The rest of my hair is thick. I will try it none the less. Whats the worst that could happen?(Besides me losing it and raping some chick...j/k)

 

[Vanzzzz]

I have asked my derm about DHT etc. TBH everyone has DHT. The reason why some people lose hair and others do not are due to genetic factors make our follicles more susceptible to DHT attacks.

The problem as I understood was not the hormones causing DHT, but rather our genes causing our follicles to be weak to DHT. Hope this makes sense.

However, since we cannot alter our genes with today's technology, the best treatment we currently have is merely treating our hormones to reduce DHT, which is not the root of the problems. Hence the misconception that DHT is the one responsible for hair loss.

 

[tdawg7669]

I have asked my derm about DHT etc. TBH everyone has DHT. The reason why some people lose hair and others do not are due to genetic factors make our follicles more susceptible to DHT attacks.

The problem as I understood was not the hormones causing DHT, but rather our genes causing our follicles to be weak to DHT. Hope this makes sense.

This is true. However as I understand and I may be wrong, there are hormones in the body that naturally bind themselves to DHT and other androgens. Eventually the DHT will catch up and attack the follicles resulting in male pattern baldness. However that is USUALLY later on in ones late 30s and 40s. There are some studies that show that production of these hormones is less in people with hair loss before the age of 30.

Id imagine that factors such as diet, sex, masturbation, stress, etc., etc., all contribute slightly to the onset of male pattern baldness. However anybody who was going to get hit with male pattern baldness was going to get hit regardless. I also think it would take an extreme abnormality to alter ones hormones levels enough to the point of male pattern baldness kicking in significantly earlier than it would have.

In the end, this is a battle that we all lost before it even began. Fortunately we can still win the war with things like hair transplants, meds, systems, shaving etc., etc. I am convinced that there is a good option for everybody.

 

[tdawg7669]

oooooh negative feedback trippy dude you should go back to the 1700s and people might take you seriously!

haha ur really taking this like people in the 1700 hundreds... the world is flat!2x

have u had success lately with ur hair? because i have... im just paying it forward dude...i lost all my temple hair and now its back after only 3 months? i guess maybe ur beating me up like this because u have better results i guess...

if thats the case i will shut up...hey but if anyone else there thinks otherwise then il go on ahead...

i guess u havent been doing much research all u know is the big 3!

but then again... u must be the most successful person here so i guess theres no point in arguing

IDK man, I saw the pics in your thread in the other forum. I didnt see any pics with full temples, and you also said you were on meds, which one could attribute to any success you have.


I think the sad truth is that male pattern baldness is something that we simply do not understand 100%. Modern medicine may understand certain factors in it's cause. However it seems to be a condition that has multiple contributing factors.
We attempt to rationalize it and give it a cause, because of the profound effects it can have on our lives. If we could just understand why it happens we can prevent it or manage it. So we convince ourselves it something simple. Oh its because I wear a hat too much, or its because of all that hair gel. No wait it must be because of my diet. Unfortunately the real underlying causes seem to be kept in a code hidden safely away in our genetic makeup. A code that medicine has been able to decipher bits and pieces of, but not crack entirely.

 

[NINJAX]

oooooh negative feedback trippy dude you should go back to the 1700s and people might take you seriously!

haha ur really taking this like people in the 1700 hundreds... the world is flat!2x

have u had success lately with ur hair? because i have... im just paying it forward dude...i lost all my temple hair and now its back after only 3 months? i guess maybe ur beating me up like this because u have better results i guess...

if thats the case i will shut up...hey but if anyone else there thinks otherwise then il go on ahead...

i guess u havent been doing much research all u know is the big 3!

but then again... u must be the most successful person here so i guess theres no point in arguing

IDK man, I saw the pics in your thread in the other forum. I didnt see any pics with full temples, and you also said you were on meds, which one could attribute to any success you have.


I think the sad truth is that male pattern baldness is something that we simply do not understand 100%. Modern medicine may understand certain factors in it's cause. However it seems to be a condition that has multiple contributing factors.
We attempt to rationalize it and give it a cause, because of the profound effects it can have on our lives. If we could just understand why it happens we can prevent it or manage it. So we convince ourselves it something simple. Oh its because I wear a hat too much, or its because of all that hair gel. No wait it must be because of my diet. Unfortunately the real underlying causes seem to be kept in a code hidden safely away in our genetic makeup. A code that medicine has been able to decipher bits and pieces of, but not crack entirely.

dammit that was a good damn speech!
hey common man ...lets bring back the spirit.. thats why we are here..

could u look at my first month pic? my front hair is already translucent.. it has the lone island look...

yes male pattern baldness is sooo mysterious that why i try to research everday bout it and updates... i was really depressed many months ago but i used the big2(finasteride and minoxidil) yeah this is the base that im taking about since i first started this page (look it up un the success stories (mini success))

i used the soap on the scalp... im not using nizoral cause too much chemicals already...the soap is organic and it does wonders to make my hair fuller and oil free,,did i mention better skin!?! hehe anyway the big2 will always be my base

all im saying is that we should also control other factors like the hormones in our body...create a balance thats all... everythng in excess is bad..and the same for the opposite...

i gained my temple back and the corners are filling up.. il just get better pictures to give justice to my talk

 

[tdawg7669]

I saw your pics. You had magnificent regrowth dont get me wrong. I am not trying to take that away from you. In fact you had more regrowth than one could usually expect at the level you started at. That being said, you are where I am now. Thick *** hair all over, except the temples and corners of the hairline.

I am only on finasteride, as I dont want to become a slave to topicals. Although I am considering adding minoxidil and some shampoo like nizoral.

That all being said, I dont think lifestyle factors have a significant impact on how successful this battle will be for us.

 

[tdawg7669]

whats the name of the soap you use btw? Id imagine it couldnt hurt and woouldnt be too expensive.

 

[NINJAX]

whats the name of the soap you use btw? Id imagine it couldnt hurt and woouldnt be too expensive.

its locally made here im my country its a papaya based product really use for whitening...i discovered that it took away oiliness ...the active ingredient is papain.. where are u from so i can look for a similar product that has a similar effect...it should have an enzyme like papain

 

[tdawg7669]

word, thanks Ill keep an eye out.

 

[peter079]

Ninjax I had the kind of hairloss you describes in the OP. Fast diffused thinning, that came with very oily scalp and severe itching when I was 20. I agree with most of what you said and more scientific research should be done on this topic. The problem is that people will be reluctant to tell the truth, it is slightly personal.
Because my follicles are susceptible to dht I would have started to loose my hair eventually, but could I have kept my hair a bit longer (30's 40's)by abstaining or reducing masturbation? I guess we'll never know.
And it's not just masturbation that causes the release of hormones, it's the arousal that you get beforehand. These days with TV, internet, glossy magazines and the revealing clothes that seem to be in fashion, a guy can get aroused ( not masturbate) many times a day. This didn't happen in the 1700's. That's probably why there was less premature hairloss.
Example:
12 year old boy starts jerking off twice a day and getting aroused 4 times a day, testosterone starts to build up, the body realise that something is wrong, this young boy should't be trying to make 6 babies a day and starts to counter-attack by releasing 5ar therefore more dht in the system that eventually find the hair follicles and the young man now 18 starts to prematurely loose his hair that he should have kept into his 30's at least.

 

[Ian Curtis]

Wait a second...you're a male nurse?!?!?!

 

[NINJAX]

Ninjax I had the kind of hairloss you describes in the OP. Fast diffused thinning, that came with very oily scalp and severe itching when I was 20. I agree with most of what you said and more scientific research should be done on this topic. The problem is that people will be reluctant to tell the truth, it is slightly personal.
Because my follicles are susceptible to dht I would have started to loose my hair eventually, but could I have kept my hair a bit longer (30's 40's)by abstaining or reducing masturbation? I guess we'll never know.
And it's not just masturbation that causes the release of hormones, it's the arousal that you get beforehand. These days with TV, internet, glossy magazines and the revealing clothes that seem to be in fashion, a guy can get aroused ( not masturbate) many times a day. This didn't happen in the 1700's. That's probably why there was less premature hairloss.
Example:
12 year old boy starts jerking off twice a day and getting aroused 4 times a day, testosterone starts to build up, the body realise that something is wrong, this young boy should't be trying to make 6 babies a day and starts to counter-attack by releasing 5ar therefore more dht in the system that eventually find the hair follicles and the young man now 18 starts to prematurely loose his hair that he should have kept into his 30's at least.

haha i like your point of view...im glad u have that observation!!! the stimulation is really overwhelming!!! incidence of the deed has gone too many fold!!! yeah i noticed my uncles started going bald in their 30s.... but now i notice people get younger and are experiencing male pattern baldness at a very earlier age.!


thanks!!! id like to read more of what you think!!!