The new CP products from the makers of Folligen

[Yuber]

These CP's are said to be different from those used in Folligen, and Tricomin. Better or worse, I dont know. If anyone knows, please share.

Hair Signalsâ„¢ Therapy Cream Ingredients:
Water, aloe vera gel, copper peptides (soy protein peptides and cupric chloride), octyl palmitate, squalane, crodamol PMP, stearic acid, PEG 100 strearate, glycerol monostearate cetyl alcohol, extra virgin olive oil, germaben II-E, tea extract, beta-sitosterol, saw palmetto oil, lavender oil, pygeum africanum, leucine, polysorbate 80, allantoin, vitamin E TPGS, retinyl palmitate, vitamin E isomers, tocotrienol isomers, coenzyme Q10, leutin, lycopene.

Hair Signalsâ„¢ Therapy Solution Ingredients:
Water, aloe vera gel, copper peptides (soy protein peptides and cupric chloride), PEG 100 strearate, germaben II-E, tea extract, beta-sitosterol, saw palmetto oil, lavender oil, pygeum africanum, polysorbate 80, polysorbate 20, allantoin, vitamin E TPGS.

 

[toivonen]

I'm using them for about a week (together with some other products, but soon i'll use them alone for a while)..to soon to tell, the product hasn't been out for time enough, so someone can give a definite answer, but what i've noticed:

Cosmeticly: They don't smell bad (previous versions, sometimes did), they spread very well, true the hair seems a bit "oilly", but as a apply them by night and wash in the morning, no prob for me.

Results: Like i said before, not much that it can be said, but...you need to implement them carefully to your regime (as always), at 1st apply them, every other day, small quantities..i use in the alternate days, the Emu Oil (don't know if it will be a plus, but i believe in the properties of Emu, not only for the skin as for the hair)..so till now, no adverse reactions, and mind you, i have a very sensitive scalp.
I've noticed the hair healthier, maybe because it was much to dry before, and without volume, so now it looks better..and i was going in the last 2-3 weeks with a little bit more hair loss than before (i'm using Juveline for about a year, and besides these more recent times, i've done well in mantaining), wich is perhaps due to seasoning, to the lost efficacy of my current regime or because of something very good that's about to happen (wich honestly, i doubt)..so what i can say is that, coincidently or placebo effect, after this week and 2 days of using Hair Signals, the excess fallen hair stoped, and in the last 3 days, i didn't loose almost any hairs during washing in combing..like i said, don't know if coincidence or not..

So, that's my experience so far...let's see what the futur reserve, i'm optimistic, but with time and age, my today expectations (before some genetic or other profound treatment appears) are very contained..at best, mantain for the maximum periood and maybe as a bonus, having some regrowth...but as i'm 36 and been suffering of hair loss since i was 18, i consider myself a very fortunate guy to still have some hair capital, regardless of the difuse thinning or not..i still am a Norwood 2, and almost stabilized..

PS-Very important IMHO, i'm using the Cream version, cause not only i prefer, but also because generally the "creamy" versions are less agressive in side effects (wich seems to be the case) and also in the case of Hair Signals, it has a few added ingredients that i find benefic as Squalane, Coenzyme Q10, Oilve Oil, Retynil palmitate...

 

[Bryan]

These CP's are said to be different from those used in Folligen, and Tricomin. Better or worse, I dont know. If anyone knows, please share.

Hair Signalsâ„¢ Therapy Cream Ingredients:
Water, aloe vera gel, copper peptides (soy protein peptides and cupric chloride)...

Soy protein and copper chloride? Looks to me like it's the same as Folligen!

 

[LookingForAnswers]

These CP's are said to be different from those used in Folligen, and Tricomin. Better or worse, I dont know. If anyone knows, please share.

Hair Signalsâ„¢ Therapy Cream Ingredients:
Water, aloe vera gel, copper peptides (soy protein peptides and cupric chloride), octyl palmitate, squalane, crodamol PMP, stearic acid, PEG 100 strearate, glycerol monostearate cetyl alcohol, extra virgin olive oil, germaben II-E, tea extract, beta-sitosterol, saw palmetto oil, lavender oil, pygeum africanum, leucine, polysorbate 80, allantoin, vitamin E TPGS, retinyl palmitate, vitamin E isomers, tocotrienol isomers, coenzyme Q10, leutin, lycopene.

Hair Signalsâ„¢ Therapy Solution Ingredients:
Water, aloe vera gel, copper peptides (soy protein peptides and cupric chloride), PEG 100 strearate, germaben II-E, tea extract, beta-sitosterol, saw palmetto oil, lavender oil, pygeum africanum, polysorbate 80, polysorbate 20, allantoin, vitamin E TPGS.

Same crap, just more of it. Nothing in his mix has clinical proof of growing hair. The copper he uses is just a smorgasboard of copper peptides, not the specific ones used in clinical trials in Tricomin. Save your money.

 

[toivonen]

1st Nobody knows for sure if they are the same or not, the base elements might be the same, but the process can (or not) be diferent, the chelation, the concentrations, the origin of the elements, etc...only Dr Pickart knows, and it's on his side to give aditional information or not, till then, it's just a matter of the pro or against members of the forum to express theire opinions, pure and simple, just that!

2nd Even if they were the same, who's to say that this is necessarilly a bad thing?...because tehre's no FDA trials?..well there's many other legitimate trials and studies of the so called 2nd generation CP's...like i said before, as in the majority of the cases the studies are money suported by the persons who intend to profit from them, even them (the studies) must be taken with certain restraincts, FDA ones included...there's dozens/hundreds of FDA's aprooved substances/products, that with further studies made by others (or themselves) were retired from the market, and by such "minor :whistle: " things as "considered dangerous to the consumers"..and that, after beeing spent millions on theire original tests...eheh

3rd Altough we all agree that regardless of the new elements on Hair Signals (new, compared withh Folligen, of course), the main bennefit ingredient still are the CP's, one can't denied the THEORETICLY add benefits of some of them, even in the way they alow the CP's to penetrate and do theire benefits.

Like i said, another new product, that combines what i think are promissing elements, with more old and benefic ones...what THEORETICLY make it a promissing good product, no more nor less...nobody is stating, including the makers, it will regrow your hair to the state of the Yeti...it's out there, so anyone who wants try it (as i'm trying), the other are equallly free to not try it...as for the reasons, that is the complicated part, cause regardless of the studies and tests, there will always be the ones that will say good or bad things, regardless of theire knoledge of the subject, or the prooven facts about the final product...ALWAYS!

 

[kento]

This week i brought the "Hair Signalsâ„¢ Therapy Solution" the reason that i choice this product is because i don't see any ingredients like alcohol or ppg, i like to use tricomin but the bad thing is that contains alcohol and dries my scalp (any way to solve that)?

 

[treadstone]

Are they claiming the formula is different or the CP's in the formula? Because like Bryan said, if it's soy protein and copper chlorides that's pretty much Folligen. I would take the blue CP's in Tricomin over that any day.

 

[JWM]

It is the SAME CPs. The only difference is the addition of the supposed DHT fighters (tea, saw palmetto, lavender)

Shame.

 

[kento]

Are they claiming the formula is different or the CP's in the formula? Because like Bryan said, if it's soy protein and copper chlorides that's pretty much Folligen. I would take the blue CP's in Tricomin over that any day.

Maybe because other ingredients like palmetto oil, lavender oil, pygeum africanum

 

[Yuber]

Pickart claims to be the inventor of the CP in Tricomin in this thread http://healthyskin.infopop.cc/eve/forum ... 011775/p/1. If so, I dont understand why he does not use it in his products.

 

[treadstone]

Procyte retains the patent to use the blue CP's.

 

[toivonen]

It's really a lost "cause"...Jesus, when people are narrow mindid, there's no way, really...

This is a pointless and completly biased topic...Dr Pickart, never stated that these CP were diferent of the Folligen ones, he never said the oposite either, what he or SkinBiology states, it's that it's a new product, wich obviously is!! One may say that the new aded ingrdients are of not much use, but as ALWAYS,, it's just a bunch of people trying to give other some "light", when it's obvious they still didn't found theires..
At maximum it's a perfected way of making the 2nd generation CP's, or did people read he claimed were 3rd generation CP's...if not, why bringing that as a new subject?!?
If it's confirmed it's "just" the 2nd generation ones, so what?!??! My experience with Folligen was never worst , than the one with Tricomin...Oh, i see, we must always reinvent the wheell, isn't it genious ones?!?...like for example those totally spacerocket inovative new products like.....foam MINOXIDIL!!?? :hump: or all the new inovative liposomes/nanosomes products with the new ingredient, bullet proof, 100% efective, no side-efects...MINOXIDIL!!??...or maybe, the new completly new ones, using the inovative, and for the 1st time together...MINOXIDIL and....FINASTERIDE!!!??! :bravo:

Yes. completly new ones, and always efective..i guess that's why you guys still vegetate in these forums, asking and trying to find new treatments..it's because you have completly regrown you hairs with the BIG 3's, right!?!?...
Funny, everyone is trying to find something new, to try or complement the already known ones, and whenever some with some credibility apears, it's always trashed down!
He invented the CP's present in Tricomin (that's right, he can't use them, because Procyte owns the patents)....i guess he forgoten the way of dong it, right!?...and no, when he invented the ones present now in Tricomin, he hadn't that much resources, and certainly, not more knoledge and new tecnologys! It's that hard to understand?!...guess it is... :whistle:

Even more strange and funny...he never posted the typical before after photograph (and we all know, how easy it is nowdays to manipulate those), he never claimed it will regrow your hair to any kind of previous status...what he claims it's that it will have benefit it the health of hair and scalp, and that's not a minor thing..hell, even today someone posted that the VEGF factors, are of 1st importance to the growth of the hair, and we know that CP's are great in improving that factor...Oh, i've almost forgoten, the 1st CP's, cause Dr Pickart forgot how to do the new ones, and if you don't believe me...ask these go's of knoledgement that polute these forums..i guess by theire claims, they've must have been assistants of DR Pickart, and saw how he didi those new CP's..or should i say..how, he didn't managed to do these new CP's as efective as the old ones...ahah

Really...that's enough for me...i'll continue my path, i see that there's no point beeing around these narrow mindid forums, there's so few pwople taht deserve some credit, that there's almos now plus in coming here, or in fact, any other similar forum...i know, i'll get bashed for my positions, that there's probably someone that will say, i'm making publicity, or that kind of bullshit, but i don't give a flying f***, really...sorry for this answer, but i'm tired of people, taht instead of trying to help others, sharing some light, only throw stupid and biased arguments, that will only spread more darkness to an already "obscure" subject!
I wish the best of luck to all (as i wish for me), but that's it for me..at least in the active participation...a last GOODBYE

 

[treadstone]

:roll:

 

[Bryan]

Pickart claims to be the inventor of the CP in Tricomin in this thread http://healthyskin.infopop.cc/eve/forum ... 011775/p/1. If so, I dont understand why he does not use it in his products.

I don't doubt that he invented the Tricomin peptide. But as another poster pointed out, he doesn't own the patent. Procyte does.

 

[JWM]

Oh, i see, we must always reinvent the wheell, isn't it genious ones?!?

Do I even NEED to point out the wonderful irony here?