The Truth About Follica, Need Help Please

[MrV88]

They are far too early to be really considered a player in the game. Their initial technology is for regenerating skin (which did include hair follicles) in swine models with human trials anticipated this year.

That being said, their work is very impressive and promising.



I agree. It's quite possible it can repeated



You may be able to do that, but no company is going to consider that when discussing the release of a product; they're only going to release something that aims to provide regrowth if it can do considerably better than the state of the art.

Lastly, I'm not sure what a picture of 25 hair per cm looks like, because if it's anything like what they achieved in the Indian study or the most successful dermarollers on these forums have done, I can tell you that it is a more than sufficient amount of regrowth. There is logically no reason that this treatment shouldn't be able to achieve those same results and better.

It would make me NW1 and is a better option than a transplant, so I'm excited to see how Follica plays out.

Certainly no company will suggest combining treatments, it is just a hope for us baldies that it will work better just like minoxidil and finasteride or other things.

We don't know if it will be 25 or 55 or just 5. Depends on so many factors, but in the end any regrowth will be awesome even if we have to combine it with a hair transplant or Tsuji cloning in 5-10 years.

 

[GiveMeAccessToMyAccount]

Not only do I agree with what your saying but I think people are forgetting that Follica won't be a once in a lifetime treatment. Why not just get repeat treatment in those areas? So let's say that at the end you have 25 hairs per cm. Why not just do the treatment in the same spot again? Now if it's harmful to the terminal hairs that have been created and lets say you lose 10 per cm after the 2nd treatment. You would be up to 40 hairs per cm! Now this is all speculation but i think some people aren't thinking enough about this

I agree with you and this is why I asked if this supposed 75 vellus hairs per cm2 was from a prolonged study, one treatment, 1 year of treatment, how many visits, does more visits mean more hair? It's important to know if this 100 hairs per cm2 is just ALL you get, or just what was observed in a short time. What about prolonged use of the treatment? That's what i'm curious to know.

 

[H]

No, that would be a full Norwood, and since it only takes half of a healthy Norwood to look like a full Norwood (remember, you only notice hairlosscure after 50% is already gone), a true, full Norwood regrown on the scalp probably appears cosmetically to be a bit more than a single Norwood. I define a Norwood as 1/7 of a healthy head of hair, which is about 150 hairs per sq cm, or 21 hairs per sq cm per Norwood. So 25 hairs per sq cm is a little more than a full Norwood, which is a lot of hair and cannot be regularly achieved by any protocol currently commercially available (super responders not withstanding).

Well I guess that's 1/7th of the puzzle then well just have to find a way to get the other 4-6 more. Hopefully it gets better with mutliple uses.

 

[coolio]

THE big question about Follica is not the number of hairs it creates, it's whether the process can be repeated to compound the gains.


Somebody gives you a goose. The next day it lays a golden egg. Do you think: "Meh, I dunno . . just how pure is this gold?"

Hell no. The more important question is: "Was this a one-time thing? Or can this goose keep laying more of these golden eggs?"

 

[H]

THE big question about Follica is not the number of hairs it creates, it's whether the process can be repeated to compound the gains.


Somebody gives you a goose. The next day it lays a golden egg. Do you think: "Meh, I dunno . . just how pure is this gold?"

Hell no. The more important question is: "Was this a one-time thing? Or can this goose keep laying more of these golden eggs?"

Itd be cool if the goose just told us itself if it could lay more, how pure they were and if maybe by ingesting or rubbing this egg on my head would give me a full head of hair but most likely it would be silent so that is a pretty good analogy of the hair loss industry.

 

[That Guy]

THE big question about Follica is not the number of hairs it creates, it's whether the process can be repeated to compound the gains.


Somebody gives you a goose. The next day it lays a golden egg. Do you think: "Meh, I dunno . . just how pure is this gold?"

Hell no. The more important question is: "Was this a one-time thing? Or can this goose keep laying more of these golden eggs?"

That's not what I'd think.


First, I'd think "Is this egg SOLID gold and how many grams is this golden egg?"

Then, I'd think "How often do I get more gold eggs from this goose?"

If this goose only lays golden eggs, how can I make more geese?

Then, I'd looking into cloning the goose as many times as possible so that I can mass-produce golden eggs.

But I'm from Canada and I don't know if you've met Canadian geese, but they're straight assholes. They'll put you on the *** end of an *** kicking and they won't be sorry.

 

[MrV88]

That's not what I'd think.


First, I'd think "Is this egg SOLID gold and how many grams is this golden egg?"

Then, I'd think "How often do I get more gold eggs from this goose?"

If this goose only lays golden eggs, how can I make more geese?

Then, I'd looking into cloning the goose as many times as possible so that I can mass-produce golden eggs.

But I'm from Canada and I don't know if you've met Canadian geese, but they're straight assholes. They'll put you on the *** end of an *** kicking and they won't be sorry.

The problem is if you mass produce geese that mass produce golden eggs you get too much gold...and if you get too much gold the price/value drops.

So at one point you have to hit the break or the whole system crashes down because your big and mass producing facility(geese) and maintaining it is more expensive than what is produces, because everyone gets it cheap like hell or other producers (chicken/shiseido, ostrich/Tsuji) will get better and more expensive products (plating eggs) or similar products for a lower price (silver eggs)

 

[H]

Actually the first thing I would ask is "is this a goose?"

 

[Royaume]

What do you think about the topical compound that follica uses.

Which effeckt could it have on thinning hair? We know that this compound contains something that is responsable for new hair growth but what would happen with our already existing but thin hair?

Any chance that they can get back their normal appearance.

Any thoughts?

 

[br1]

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According to the website this is in phase III

http://puretechhealth.com/pipeline.php

Phase 2 you mean?

 

[H]

What do you think about the topical compound that follica uses.

Which effeckt could it have on thinning hair? We know that this compound contains something that is responsable for new hair growth but what would happen with our already existing but thin hair?

Any chance that they can get back their normal appearance.

Any thoughts?

What do you think of Follica not releasing any data on their super secret awesome treatment?

 

[Royaume]

What do you think of Follica not releasing any data on their super secret awesome treatment?

I think it's bullshit.... but what can we do?

Nothing! They better come up with something good after spending more than fkcing 10 years on research and being the most tight lipped company after fidia.

They claim to have a treatment that is 3-4 better than minoxidil and finasteride.

This means an average increase of 30-40% in hair density. Not bad, not bad! 40 % increase is a lot!

 

[Agent]

If we are lucky Follica will release their treatment within 5 yrs.

 

[Royaume]

If we are lucky Follica will release their treatment within 5 yrs.

If they dont release it in 2019, Cotsarelis will be officially the new hair loss researcher clown of 2019. By the way the turkish university clown Fuckkrettin won it in 2017.

Seriously... all the marketing stuff and Dr. Bhanusalis posts on Twitter.. It seems they release it in late 2018/early 2019 at the latest...

 

[Agent]

If they dont release it in 2019, Cotsarelis will be officially the new hair loss researcher clown of 2019. By the way the turkish university clown Fuckkrettin won it in 2017.

Seriously... all the marketing stuff and Dr. Bhanusalis posts on Twitter.. It seems they release it in late 2018/early 2019 at the latest...

Would be great to see it out in 18 but I seriously doubt it. Sure they made a new website and made some Twitter posts, but meh. Rule number 1 when waiting for hair loss treatments - expect nothing.

 

[Royaume]

Would be great to see it out in 18 but I seriously doubt it. Sure they made a new website and made some Twitter posts, but meh. Rule number 1 when waiting for hair loss treatments - expect nothing.

... ya expect nothing if its a new company... not a company who has been working on tjis wounding treatmentfor about 12 years... Therefore we absolutely can expect at minimum study results....

 

[Agent]

... ya expect nothing if its a new company... not a company who has been working on tjis wounding treatmentfor about 12 years... Therefore we absolutely can expect at minimum study results....

I still expect nothing. Follica is as far as I know only a minor part of a much bigger company that are also working on numerous other treatments, some much further ahead and closer to release. Who knows how much resources are really being put into Follica? Maybe its just Cots playing around in the broom closet.

 

[tomJ]

All I know is I've been reading about baldness breakthroughs for over 20 years and not one, not one has come to fruition.

 

[H]

They claim to have a treatment that is 3-4 better than minoxidil and finasteride.

This means an average increase of 30-40% in hair density. Not bad, not bad! 40 % increase is a lot!

I totally agree with you that would be awesome but there's something that bothers me...

They claim

Can't put my finger on it...

They claim

Anyways, I'm sure they're not fooling around with us and it legit does have like so much regrowth that's why they can't show us anything... because it works. I can see the business method actually see they don't want to show us the awesome regrowth because we would hype it up too much and they would make too much money. I mean Riken has pictures of the 3 hair' d mouse and has published all kinds of data and even Replicels data didn't turn out with all the regrowth we all wanted or even they wanted but at least they posted it.

 

[That Guy]

I mean Riken has pictures of the 3 hair' d mouse and has published all kinds of data and even Replicels data didn't turn out with all the regrowth we all wanted or even they wanted but at least they posted it.

Riken is a research institute, though.

Doing studies and publishing findings for peer review is what they do.

RepliCel is a start-up company that is not generating revenue and thus needs to throw numbers and data out there to attract investors.

Follica has all the financial support they need from PureTech, so the only people they need impress at this stage is PureTech and the FDA