TheLastHairbender's story

[rwGourmetStyleWellness]

Hey is that Wiz kalifah?

 

[TheLastHairbender]

Hey guys,

I know it's been a long time since I've made an update. Besides being really busy professionally I've also been busy enjoying my regrown hair. Things have only gotten better since my last post at the end of August 2011. I continued using Retin-A for one 6-week course in September and October and liked it, experimented with Folligen and Emu Oil in November/December and didn't like it, took a break from minoxidil and spironolactone for about a month in January, and am back on the 2% keto, 5% minoxidil, 1.25mg finasteride, and 5% spironolactone regimen, supplementing with a multivitamin, omega-3s (900mg/day), and biotin (5mg/day). My results have never been better.

I'm going to take a step back first, though, and provide an update on where I stood at the end of five months, at the end of October 2011.


Four Month Update
Date: 09/24/2011
Topics: Pictures

Although I wasn't able to post at the time I was able to snap pictures from September and October, which marked months four and five on my treatment plan. Let me provide those pics here for historical perspective.

Pictures

Pictures from September 24, 2011, after 4 months of keto/finasteride/minoxidil/spironolactone:

I don't have as much time to edit the pictures as nicely so you're going to have to deal with seeing my bathroom - it's actually not bad considering it's shared among 4 guys.

Over the head sequence, flash off

Same shots, flash on:

The temples, flash off:

Temples, flash on:

Closeup of vertex:

A couple from the front, fresh haircut (a little to short for my tastes), playing with a couple different styles:

Things were looking really good, even after only four months. All I can say is that they've only gotten better from there. I'll follow up with another post with month 5 pics.

 

[mrfifs]

wow bro! congrats on your regrowth!

 

[TheLastHairbender]

Fortunately I was able to snap more pics on my month 5 update day, October 24, 2011, although I apologize for not getting them up until now. Take a look at the pics, I'll discuss the progress since then after the jump.

5 Month Update
Date: 10/24/2011
Topics: Pictures, Retin-A Cycle

Pictures

October 24, 2011, after five months of finasteride/minoxidil/keto/spironolactone:

Over-the-top, flash off:

Same sequence, flash on, hair was a little funky on top during these pics:

Temples, flash off:

Temples, flash on:

From the front:

So things went really great for those first five months, and have continued to maintain and marginally improve ever since. I really can’t believe how positive the results were after such a short time. The only thing to note about my regimen in month 5 was the use of Retin-A:

Retin-A Cycle

During September and October I used .05% Retin-A cream (Janssen-Cilag brand Retino-A from InHouse) once per day, using a 20g tube over the course of about 6 weeks. The theory is that Retin-A increases the effectiveness of minoxidil by chemically exfoliating the dermis to improve absorption of other topicals, in addition to its benefit of increasing cellular turnover. Prior studies have even found Retin-A to be as effective on its own as low dose, 2-3% minoxidil, although most of us use it in combination with our 5% minoxidil to maximize the potential benefits of both.

The most I can say is that it was tolerable, didn’t cause any rashes, itching, or irritation, and I had really good results while using it in combination with minoxidil and spironolactone as a topical. I applied Retin-A once per day anywhere from 10-30 minutes before applying minoxidil. The only thing to note is that it may increase photosensitivity, so be careful in the sun if you decide to use Retin-A daily or periodically. Although the S5 spironolactone cream I use claims to contain .025% Retin-A, I still plan to rotate in a 6 week course of once daily .05% Retin-A twice per year, as part of a new rotational program I’m implementing, more on that in a subsequent post.



I'll follow up with a month 6-10 update within the next few days, as I need to get my camera back to take a latest round of pictures. Feel free to ask any questions, hope your regrowth is going equally as well!

 

[deadlocks]

Thats an enourmous improvement my man! Congratulations!! Just a little concealer and I bet you look golden! Pray I get results like these... What in your regime did this much regrowth for you you think??

 

[IrishFella]

Holy shite, that's some improvement, :shock: you must be over the moon, congratulations, pal.

 

[TheLastHairbender]

Yeah it has been amazing since last fall, totally awesome, like I never lost a hair a day in my life. I still have a bald spot on the vertex, the first place I started losing hair maybe 2-3 years ago. The treatment has definitely made the spot smaller, but I don't seem to be sprouting much right in the center. Really I could care less though, I'm back to a more normal balding pattern that might be expected of a 26 year old staring down hair loss and that's totally fine with me. Beat all of my hopes and expectations, and hopefully will continue to improve from here along with advancements in treatment, discipline in executing the system, and broader lifestyle improvements to reduce stress and promote health and fitness.

Thanks for keeping up, I'll have an end-of-month-10 post up momentarily.

 

[Heretogrow]

Wow congrats dude! Nice job!!

 

[TheLastHairbender]

Thanks so much for all the support guys, I couldn't have done it without you. Captain: I really appreciate your following my story in particular, your wisdom and words of encouragement have been instrumental. Although I'm going through my first major shed at the moment and have noticeably given up some of the gains, I'm sticking to the plan and faithful that it will only come back stronger.

I'm just waiting to get my camera back to take more recent pictures in the standard format, I tried with my cell phone camera but they look incomparably worse and can't pull off the wide-angle like my digital camera could. Hopefully I'll have more pics up within the week, along with a more complete update about where I stand now and where I'm going from here. I have a really structured plan in place that covers all the treatments I'm on, how much of each to use, how frequently it needs to be replenished, expected costs, etc. and I'll be happy to share that with you all here once it's finalized in the near future.

Thanks guys, more pictures and details coming soon!

 

[22nohair]

I've been browsing the site for a while, and your story is one of the ones I can relate to the most. Though I'm turning 23 in about a week, I feel like if I don't do anything about my hair loss soon, it may look like yours when you started treatment at 26. It's quickly thinning at the crown and the temples and is noticeably thinner at the top than on the sides. I may start a thread and post some pictures here soon to get some advice from everyone.

 

[TheLastHairbender]

Welcome 22! I appreciate your following the story and hope that my experience can provide some insight for how to best manage your own hair loss. It does suck, but man I wished I would have done more at 22. I did a several month course of 5% minoxidil, saw no improvement, and gave up for 2 more years until getting on Finasteride on my 26th birthday. Seriously, finasteride did it for me, and I think it will do it for most people. So if you've been reading, you know the first steps are:

1) Make a profile, take some baseline pics, post them with your story

2) Go see your doctor and describe your concerns about male pattern baldness

3) Find out if finasteride is right for you, get the necessary blood tests: testosterone (total and free), complete blood cell count (CBC), leutinizing hormone (LH), sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG), progesterone, prolactin, estrogen...you can really have a ton of hormones tested but your Doctor will probably advise against many of them, you definitely want T and a CBC test to establish baseline measurements. Make sure you get a copy of the results and save them.

4) If you're prescribed finasteride you can get started on the big 3 right away, just pick up a three month supply of 5% minoxidil and Nizoral 1% shampoo at CVS on your way home. You may also want to ask your doctor about prescription 2% ketoconazole shampoo instead of the Nizoral 1%. (The ability to buy 2% OTC depends on where you live.) I started at 1% keto for 6 months then moved up to prescription strength 2% after that, and continue to use it 2-4 times a week. You'll probably also want to plan out your purchases and make a small budget for haircare items. When I started, I paid $20 every 3 months for finasteride, $30 every 6 months for keto, and $40 every 3 months for minoxidil (I double the dosage to 2mL/application, 4mL/day, so I use 2 bottles a month instead of 1). That's $140 every 6 months, so I just included $25 a month in with my regular bills and I feel like all my treatments are covered. Just something that helped me fit it into my lifestyle better.

Get on top of it now and you could have an awesome head of thick hair at 26! Welcome to gourmetstylewellness.com!

 

[22nohair]

Thanks for the reply and the advice. I'm going to try to make an appointment with a doctor this week or the next to ask about finasteride. I've been using Nizoral along with Saw Palmetto for about 3 months now, though I can't tell if it's helping or not. Been hesitant to start with any type of minoxidil because of a lot of mixed reviews online and talk of shedding a ton and whatnot.

 

[TheLastHairbender]

Yeah but I think the overwhelming consensus is that shedding is a necessary evil to a stronger head of hair, and most people find it worth it in the short run to shed for a month or so to enjoy the other 11 months of the year with more coverage. And I'm saying that currently in the throngs of the worst shed I've had since starting treatment, and it didn't come on until about nine months in, after I had already been enjoying strong gains for months 3-8. Everyone's biology is different so only experimentation can determine exactly how it will affect you, just do it responsibly and as scientifically as possible. If you're unwilling to go endure any short-term shedding for the benefit of long-term gains, I think you're stacking the deck against yourself by taking the only approved growth promoter out of your toolbelt.

It's a decision only you can make though, with the consultation of your doctor, not me. Good luck, feel free to ask any questions and let me know how it goes!

 

[ch2]

Hi, with you applying minoxidil both day and night, how do you apply the spironolactone? Do you wait for the minoxidil to dry? How long do you wait?

 

[TheLastHairbender]

Hey Ch, yes, I apply the spironolactone both day and night but not as religiously as the minoxidil, basically because the spironolactone goes on second and sometimes I have to run out of the house (in the morning) or I fall asleep (at night) while waiting the ~10 minutes to apply spironolactone. I read an old anecdote from Dr. Lee in which he said to apply minoxidil first, then wait about 10 minutes before applying the spironolactone. I tend to wait about 15-30 minutes until the minoxidil seems more completely dry, then apply the spironolactone cream in a thin layer from the vertex forward to the temples. This has the benefit that the spironolactone actually acts like a mild styling aid...whereas the minoxidil leaves hair wet, greasy, and flat, the spironolactone helps clump it up, is only slightly greasy compared to minoxidil, and it dries a little less stiff than American Crew's Forming Cream, which is my preferred styling aid in the absence of spironolactone.

One tricky thing is the amount to apply. It usually comes in a small tub and is applied by your fingertips, so there isn't much metering opportunity like there is when dropping it from a 1 mL eyedropper. Instead, I meter it out by how quickly I go through a tub. Originally I heard that a 2 oz / 60 mL tub of 5% spironolactone should last 3 months...after testing it myself I found it hard to stretch it out to 1 1/2 months per tub, and at this point I'm buying one 2 oz tub of spironolactone per month (or, rather, 3 tubs for $90 on this website every 3 months). Right now it's far and away the most expensive treatment I use...finasteride costs me $4.75 a month, spironolactone costs like $32 a month after shipping...is it 6 to 8 times more effective than finasteride? Absolutely not. But getting that last 10% of the way there is definitely more costly than getting the first 90% of the way there. If you are a budget-constrained sufferer of male pattern baldness, I'd say get the finasteride and minoxidil right before making the relatively heavy investment in spironolactone.

As a final note, I also keep my unused tubs in the fridge which seems to work out fine. Thanks and good luck, let me know what you end up doing with spironolactone!

 

[TheLastHairbender]

Here it is, finally a more complete update on what I've been up to:

Six through Eleven Month Update
Date: 4/24/2012
Topics: Interim Pictures, Copper Peptides: Folligen & Emu Oil, Break from Minoxidil, spironolactone, & MSM, Current Shed, Return to MSM, Increasing Omega-3s, Copper Peptides: AHK-Cu, Updated Regimen


Let me take this chance to give some updates on progress since my last update at the end of month 5. Not much happened between October and March: I tried Folligen, Emu Oil, and took an involuntary break from all the topicals. I’ll provide some details on those topics and discuss where things go from here.

Interim Pictures

Although I wasn’t able to snap pictures as religiously for months 6, 7, 8, and 9, I was able to find a few pics taken by others in which you can see the progress along the way.

Here are three from December, at about the seven month mark:

This one really benefited from low light and low resolution

same day

This was in January, month 8, kind of the opposite: harsh light and a wispy hair day:

I think things were at their peak at about the seven month mark in December, I’ve given up a little ground to shedding (and unrelated stress!) since then, these were in early March, through nine-and-a-half months of treatment:

So that’s about the best picture I can paint with the few available photos from the past few months, now let me catch you up on the treatment developments since then:


Copper Peptides: Folligen & Emu Oil

Last November (month 6), as my regimen had been well rounded out with keto/finasteride/minoxidil/spironolactone/Retin-A and was showing a lot of positive regrowth, I was naturally looking for the next step to take it up a notch. Integrating one of the few SOD-mimetic copper peptide products out there seemed like a natural fit. To sum it up briefly, these products (Tricomin, Folligen, Graftcyte) mimic an antioxidant produced naturally in the body which may help reduce inflammation and fight perifollicular fibrosis, ensuring a healthier substrate for further growth. Each commercially available option has its own drawbacks though: Tricomin uses an undisclosed amount of the active ingredient, Folligen uses an unknown composition of peptides, and Graftcyte is too expensive to be practical long-term.

Seeing no perfect option out there I decided to give Folligen a shot – it promises a larger volume of varied peptides despite not disclosing specifically which peptides nor in what concentrations. There is a long history on the genesis of these products and their founder Dr. Loren Pickart. Sparing you the anecdotes which can be found readily via a quick search, I jumped in to the Folligen game and picked up the recommended Emu Oil to add as a final topical everyday.

The results after several weeks of use: it sucks. I didn’t give it long enough to say whether it helped with anything or not, but the stuff turns your scalp a bluish yellow color and smells like rotting stinky feet, rendering the product too inconvenient to use with respect to its already speculative value proposition. I also hated the Emu Oil – made my hair greasy, thin-looking, and didn’t necessarily make it feel any more moisturized or better in any way. So I scrapped the Folligen & Emu Oil for the sake of convenience – there’s no reason to double the inconvenience of my regimen for a very unclear benefit. It’s not a complaint against the idea of copper peptides in general, just that those products (and I’m going to make assumptions about Tricomin’s suspiciously low concentration as rendering it not maximally effective) don’t offer what I need in a hair loss solution.

That said I still wanted to harness the benefit of copper peptide technology, and was fortunate enough to have access to a group purchase of the mother of all copper peptide formulations – AHK-Cu. I’ll get to that point in a moment, but suffice it to say Folligen as a cosmetic product is not for me.


Break from Minoxidil, spironolactone, & MSM

I also need to mention my first slip-up in the treatment process. After seven solid months on the treatment plan, in January, I found myself really busy with work and some other business and unable to dedicate the usual amount of time to the hair care system. It’s a problem many of you probably come to at some point in your treatment, and inevitably I found myself there as well. I ran out of MSM and minoxidil and just couldn’t get a shopping list and order together quick enough. I think I had partly grown weary of the twice daily topical regimen also, as I still had spironolactone on hand but stopped using that during this period as well. Surprisingly, about a month went by, between January and February in which I didn’t use any topicals and cut some of the supplements as well, no MSM for about a month and a half and was also out of biotin for about two weeks. Finally, towards the end of February I got it together and got back on the horse again with 2mL of 5% liquid minoxidil twice daily. There was no visible damage at that point, nor would there be expected to be immediately, but, starting about one month later, in late March, I noticed my first major shed…

Current Shed

So I’m currently enjoying my first major shed. I really never got one even when I started treatment…it was nothing for two months then during the third and fourth month on finasteride and minoxidil just TONS of new growth, without an unusually high amount of shedding. Now, finishing my eleventh month of treatment I’m finally giving up some of those initial gains. I suspect it’s related to the aforementioned break from minoxidil, but I really have no way of knowing. I’m keeping a positive attitude about it and staying disciplined in my regimen from here on out, relying on the adage that sheds suck but always come back stronger, so let’s get this over with and bring on round 2 of new growth!


Return to MSM, Increasing Omega-3s

At the beginning of month 11, one month after getting back on the horse with twice daily 5% liquid minoxidil, I resupplied on MSM and went back to the 3g daily intake.

Also, after reading more research on the benefits of Omega-3s EPA and DHA I’ve been led to believe that maximum brain and cardiovascular benefits are achieved between 1g and 2g of combined EPA & DHA intake. People taking it for cholesterol reduction are advised to go up to 3g to 4g daily, but that sounds a little heavy to me at the moment. So instead of taking 3x 300mg supplements daily for 900mg EPA & DHA, I’ve increased this to 1.5g daily from Now Foods’ Ultra Omega-3s, which contain EPA and DHA in a ratio of 2:1, so I’m taking 1g EPA and 500mg DHA daily, plus I eat fish once or twice a week so that should provide additional natural intake of Omega-3s. The only other change to supplementation is the seasonal addition of 50mg zinc picolinate daily as part of the AHK-Cu copper peptide treatment, which I’ll discuss now:


Copper Peptides: AHK-Cu

Being unwilling to compromise on the practicality of Folligen and unwilling to speculate on the therapeutic effect of the unknown concentration of copper peptides in Tricomin, I’ve opted for the slightly impractical but more precise method of purchasing bulk AHK-Cu copper peptides and mixing my own topical solution at 2.5% - 5% concentration. I’m planning to continue the experiment with AHK-Cu for the next six months, from May 1 through October 31, 2012.

There is a large, burgeoning literature on the role SOD and its mimetics like copper peptides play in various biological functions, and a small volume of literature focuses on its benefits for dermal health and hair loss. A study from Seoul National University is circulating the web that showed hair regrowth benefits at a 2.5% AHK-Cu concentration under a variety of alternative vehicles (but also yielded cell death at higher concentrations). That study on PubMed: http://tiny.cc/3oyadw, and full-text: http://tiny.cc/pryadw. You can read a ton about SOD on Wikipedia so I’ll spare you the discourse here. Basically AHK-Cu is showing promise for wound healing, skin regeneration, and hair regrowth because of its SOD-like antioxidant effects, which may help reduce inflammation and even reverse follicular fibrosis.

I spent a lot of time looking for a suitable delivery mechanism though. My routine already involves liquid minoxidil and spironolactone cream twice daily, so adding another liquid or cream would be quite a burden. The ideal solution would be to mix 1.4g into 56g (one 2oz bottle) liquid minoxidil to create a 5% minoxidil / 2.5% AHK-Cu solution. The liquid minoxidil I use is based on an alcohol, PG, and water vehicle (Kirkland, Equate), which would be a suitable vehicle if not already saturated – but lately there have been some anecdotes reported about AHK-Cu possibly interfering with minoxidil’s method of action, so I’m going to opt to spread out the application of AHK at least 6 hours from minoxidil.

One option is to make my own vehicle of water, ethyl alcohol, and PG (AHK-Cu is water soluble), but this is a bit unproven and a bit of a PITA. Taking a slightly more expensive but assured route, I’ve purchased a 6 oz / 180 mL bottle of Tricomin ($42.50) to which I’ll add 1.33g of AHK-Cu to each 2 oz / 60 mL (56.6g) of Tricomin, to yield a solution of 2.35% AHK-Cu plus the amount already in the Tricomin, rumored to be in the range of .25 – 1%. From there I can apply 1 mL of the solution twice daily (or 2 mL once daily depending on the practicality, which I’ll confirm after the initial rounds of experimentation).

Finally, I’ll be adding a 50mg zinc picolinate supplement during the time I’m taking the AHK-Cu, the danger being that the cleaved Cu can accumulate in the body, triggering things like tinnitus and Wilson’s syndrome if the copper-to-zinc ratio goes out of equilibrium. These problems can hopefully be mitigated by keeping zinc intake equivalently high so that the copper-zinc ratio doesn’t stray too far from the norm. Amazon has 180 tabs of 50mg zinc picolinate for $10 which will last my full 6 month course, so the incremental cost is minimal. I’ll monitor things carefully and keep you posted on any changes here.

For reference, here is a thread I started here on gourmetstylewellness.com about the optimal concentration of AHK-Cu to use: http://tiny.cc/ulyadw, some good info inside – I’m going to quote one question and my response (post #24) here about AHK and shedding.

I use the ahk For between month or two and yesterday i noticed a little weird bald spot, could it be because the ahk? Maybe it is not good for me?


It is not a bald spot, it's more like my hairloss got worse what mean 2 options:
1)the ahk works and it just the shed of starting a treatment.
2)other thing.
I use it in cream vehicle twice a day 2.5% formula.
I use it between. Month or two.

Heck man, I don't know, and further I don't think there exists a man who could tell you with any certainty what might be happening. I wasn't aware a priori that AHK would cause sheds; the study on DPCs was a short-term study that found elongation of the shafts, etc, without ever having gone through catagen to anagen phases, so there was no shedding in their study of what are, effectively, cultured har follicles. I have seen a few other people report something similar though, so let me ask:

Do you also use minoxidil? Have your minoxidil usage patterns changed at all within the last three months or so? I stopped using minoxidil for 2-3 weeks back in late January / early February and my hair has been coming out in droves since mid-March, so there can be a delay of several weeks to several months before the effects of minoxidil discontinuation are apparent.

It's also possible that the usage of AHK-Cu topically has impeded the penetration of minoxidil into the scalp. Several others have reported similar minoxidil-like sheds after using AHK for a few weeks. One hypothesis is that the AHK has some effect on scalp tissue that prevents minoxidil from penetrating as well as it does in the absence of AHK. This could be true even if you wash your hair in between using AHK and minoxidil...the idea is that the AHK is changing something favorably right? But we have no way to rule out that diminished dermal permeability is one way the scalp is changing in response to AHK-Cu treatment. This would imply that it's not a transitory shed you're experiencing, but basically the effects of coming off minoxidil, which means hair loss that will be permanent unless you find a way to once again deliver minoxidil to the scalp, which probably means coming off the AHK and returning to a full-course of minoxidil, then play the waiting game. Remember this is only a possible scenario.

An alternate is that the AHK is actually improving permeability of the scalp and providing more minoxidil to the follicles, in much the way that Tretinoin/Retin-A is thought to do. That would mean your shed is one of the temporary 'minoxidil sheds', a widespread shifting of follicles into their anagen (growth) phase that precipitates an explosion of new, thicker hair. The effect would be synonymous with someone switching up from 5% to 15% minoxidil...many people report an aggressive shed at first, followed by a renewal of new, thick hair from the increased minoxidil dosage. This is obviously the better scenario.

I can't think of any simple observation that can distinguish between these two hypotheses...besides continuing to do what you're doing and see if hair ever grows there again, but I don't know if you're interested in taking those chances. Maybe someone else can chime in. It's possible if you go tell a doctor you've been experimenting with off-label homebrew topicals and now you're losing your hair maybe he'd do a biopsy and assay your dermal papilla...then we'd all get to know the answer!

Well, if you're taking minoxidil, that is.

Last question: Are you supplementing with any form of zinc while you're taking AHK? You really should...the zinc:copper ratio is a first-order relationship that shouldn't get out of whack, some people reported the aggravation of latent tinnitus after several weeks of AHK use, which is indicative of a zinc deficiency and/or copper overload. Here are some other symptoms that would be expected of zinc deficiency http://tinyurl.com/ckvtk55 or copper toxicity http://tinyurl.com/6qewhcf, although I haven't heard any of them reported among AHK users except for the tinnitus bit. Monitor carefully for any of that stuff if you decide to continue treatment, and think about popping a 25-50mg zinc picolinate supplement everyday, you can get 6 months' worth on Amazon for $10:http://tinyurl.com/7rbe3xs.

Unfortunately the only known resource on peoples' experience with AHK has been withdrawn, so there is now a lack of information about even the limited precedent we did have to go on. You poor guys a couple months deep on heavy AHK trials and no shared information resources anymore - I feel for you, nobody said it was easy to be the avant garde of hair loss.

Updated Regimen

I’m still waiting to get my digital camera back to provide some fresh pictures, I tried with a cell phone and laptop camera but they just couldn’t cut it in my bathroom’s small space and harsh light, the comparison to my former photos would not be direct. I’ll have fresh month 11 pics up ASAP. For now, here’s a recap of my updated regimen:

Inflammation
Keto 2% Shampoo, 2-3x/week
*TRIAL: AHK-Cu ~2.5% 1mL 2x/day for 6 mo, May – Nov
with 50mg daily Zinc Picolinate

DHT
Finasteride 1.25mg/day
Spironolactone 5% 1mL 2x/day

Growth
Minoxidil 5% 2mL 2x/day
*ON HOLD: Retin-A .05% ~250mg 1x/day

Supplements
Multi 1x/day
Omega-3s 1.5g/day 2:1 EPA-DHA
Biotin 5mg/day
MSM 3g/day


Future:

Inflammation
-AHK-Cu Trial, more spin traps: PBN, TEMPO/TEMPOL
-Try Aminexil, 6w every 6mo, to reduce fibrosis

DHT
-Replace spironolactone with RU or CB?
-Add Fluridil or ASC?

Growth
-Switch up to 15% minoxidil for one month
-Bimatoprost
-Miconazole
-Adenosine/Adenogen

Or:
Just switch everything to finasteride & Spectral DNC-L and be done with it

Formerly: Saw Palmetto, Nioxin (weak), Folligen (smells)



Feel free to ask any questions, I’ll be around to help each of you reach your regrowth goals any way I can. Thanks again!

 

[israelite]

Wow amazing progress thus far. Just imagine if add finasteride to your regimen.

 

[TheLastHairbender]

Thanks man, and finasteride has been in there since day 1. I doubt I could have achieved even close to these results without it! To this date the cheapest of all my treatments (less than $5 a month), easiest to use (one pill once a day), and did far, far more for my hair at 26 than minoxidil alone could achieve at 24.

 

[mulle]

Impressive! Congratulations!

:bravo:

 

[IrishFella]

MY GOD!!!

I've never seen improvement like that. You were almost bald at the front ....

Delighted for ya, pal.