This Case Seems To Support The Skull Expansion Theory

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I know male pattern baldness is mainly caused by genetics, DHT, and androgen sensitivity but look at this case where it is very obvious his skull has taken on a different shape since he was in his 20's. I know his hairline has receded but take a good look at his facial bone structure and you can see his face become more elongated. His chin has elongated in the second photo. I know his forehead is larger due to his hairline receding but his face definitely looks elongated versus when he was young. The same exact thing happened to me but not as pronounced. And my forehead is definitely bigger than it was when I was in my 20's. It just makes me wonder if there might be some merit to the skull expansion theory as another possible reason for why people who's hairlines tend to move further up without too much temple recession. I have noticed other cases of this in person where the person's facial structure has elongated(or expanded) but mostly with men over 40.

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Could be, although I feel like lighting and angles can totally be a big factor at play too. At some angles my face looks fat as hell and in others looks very chiseled and defined.
 

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I know male pattern baldness is mainly caused by genetics, DHT, and androgen sensitivity but look at this case where it is very obvious his skull has taken on a different shape since he was in his 20's. I know his hairline has receded but take a good look at his facial bone structure and you can see his face become more elongated. His chin has elongated in the second photo. I know his forehead is larger due to his hairline receding but his face definitely looks elongated versus when he was young. The same exact thing happened to me but not as pronounced. And my forehead is definitely bigger than it was when I was in my 20's. It just makes me wonder if there might be some merit to the skull expansion theory as another possible reason for why people who's hairlines tend to move further up without too much temple recession. I have noticed other cases of this in person where the person's facial structure has elongated(or expanded) but mostly with men over 40.

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how do immovable, permanent cranial sutures allow the skull to expand? I have never heard of this theory. I don't think it's possible. How? I think what's more at play is sagging skin due to aging and collagen depletion.
 

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Could be, although I feel like lighting and angles can totally be a big factor at play too. At some angles my face looks fat as hell and in others looks very chiseled and defined.
Yes, but in these photos the angles and size of the photos are identical. Look at the length of his chin from his lower lip to the end of the chin. I don't think they look exactly the same but that's just me.
 

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how do immovable, permanent cranial sutures allow the skull to expand? I have never heard of this theory. I don't think it's possible. How? I think what's more at play is sagging skin due to aging and collagen depletion.
Buck, I definitely think that is the situation but still it makes you wonder why his face looks so elongated. I think what you are saying makes sense as its basically his whole face that is sagging enough to make it look so elongated. Maybe that may be another theory instead of the skull expansion one. I am agreement with you as supposedly the skull stays the same but this photos had me wondering.
 

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Buck, I definitely think that is the situation but still it makes you wonder why his face looks so elongated.

well, sagging skin could definitely explain that, no? damn this is depressing Dr. House! I need to go get some botox now! ;)
 

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I feel like the space between his lip and chin are just the fact that his mouth is open wider than the other. An the increased forehead size is just the fact Peyton has a comb over in the later picture. Showing more skull
 

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It's just an impression House.

When I didn't have my hair transplant to cover my NW5, my head looked huge.

Skull expansion theory is nonsense in my opinion.
Buck's explanation fits perfectly. I think his skin and musculature of his whole face and even scalp changed with age. I only notice this with men over 40 so it is age related. And his receded hairline only adds to the effect that his face got longer. It actually happened with me too. If I eat certain foods with sodium and use too much minoxidil my face can go from looking like his photo 1 to photo 2. Facial bloating can alter the illusion as well. Another thing is his body fat is probably alot higher now do to his age so his facial structure will differ from that.
 

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I think the cranium grows for the rest of your life..maybe how it grows affects where youre balding? Front? Crown? Or both
 

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Those people with an egg shaped head mostly seem to bald at the front
 

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Not true. https://www.cappskids.org/skull-sutures-when-do-they-close/


Metopic Suture: The Metopic suture which runs mid-line of the frontal bone will fuse normally with no skull defect between the ages of three(3) months of age and nine(9) months of age.

Sagittal Suture: Full obliteration may never occur. The suture closes sometime between the ages of 30 years old and 40 years old. The suture has been seen to close normally at age 26 and also remain open until someone in their late 50’s.

Coronal Sutures: Suture may begin to fuse by the age of 24. Average Suture closes between the ages of 30 years old and 40 years old.

Lambdoid Sutures: Full obliteration may never occur. Suture closes normally between the ages of 30 and 40 years old.

Squamosal Sutures: Sutures close between 30 and 40 years of age.

Frontal Sphenoid: May close normally by the age of three(3) months old.

The timing of when exactly a suture will permanently obliterate is still a hot topic. There are varying degrees of closure and timing is yet to be clearly defined.


Given that the coronal suture can be unfused up to around 40 or more anyone can be prone to frontal balding up till around 40. Scary.
 

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You can disprove this theory by looking at people with gigantism where they continue to secrete Growth Hormone and grow to crazy heights and their skull also grows out of proportion. They do not suffer from hair loss due to this.

If you visualize his younger photo with no hair, his head will look much larger. Nit is an illusion.
 

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You can disprove this theory by looking at people with gigantism where they continue to secrete Growth Hormone and grow to crazy heights and their skull also grows out of proportion. They do not suffer from hair loss due to this.

If you visualize his younger photo with no hair, his head will look much larger. Nit is an illusion.

Not so fast. I think the theory posits that it is an enlarged skull from the exaggeration of the bone remodeling process that causes a reduction in blood supply to the capillary network within the balding area of the scalp. I have also read another theory (I think it is the gravity theory by a Turkish doctor, in which it is mentioned that a compressed scalp deprives hair of nutrients - this compression is akin to an expanding cranium putting outwards pressure on the scalp. DHT is also probably a big factor and somehow plays into this.

I'm no expert in acromegaly but it isn't farfetched to think that HGH has different affinities for different tissues in different individuals, just as DHT is in different men. Of all the examples posted I recognize only Andre the Giant and Sultan Kosen, while the rest are women, and since DHT plays a role in male hair loss, and estrogen reduces bone/muscle size and has protective effects against hair loss, I am going to only address the two men. Andre has curly hair which extends below his hairline, so it probably hides a receding hairline to some extent. Sultan Kosen is probably not affected cranially size-wise. As mentioned above, excess HGH is perhaps not expressed to the same degree in the craniums of acromegalic humans who seem not to exhibit any hair loss, meaning their condition has not increased their cranial size much if at all above the norm. Note: it is important to pay attention to the cranium size and not overall skull or head size. Some pics will demonstrate this. There does not seem to be an overwhelming disparity in cranial sizes between these giants and those of normal humans, even females.


What I have noticed is, acromegaly tends to thicken the brow ridge contributing to frontal bossing, but there is often a sharp angle in the protrusion of the ridge which turns almost 90 degrees back towards the hairline, as is the case in Andre. In normal balding humans however, brow ridges are usually non protrusive, and even if they were, extends towards the hairline and beyond in a smooth contour.

I've attached one more pic of a baby with an enlarged forehead (hydrocephaly). Note the horseshoe hairline and thinning pattern highly reminiscent of balding men.


What I personally believe is that it is first the frontalis muscle itself and not just the cranial bones that initiates hairloss. The brain can potentially also affect growth of one's cranium, as denoted in the functional matrix theory of bone growth, but I'm not as certain of it's role as compared to the frontalis. It is probably a combination of the muscle and bone, and indeed any tissue growth under the scalp that places a stretching pressure on the scalp, that ultimately, together with DHT, kills off healthy hair. I think u might have read the study where botox injected into the frontalis to atrophy it resulted in significantly increased hair count.


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https://www.hairgrowthsos.com/skull-expansion.html
 

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Here’s something that really pushes against the theory and I think it’s the final blow to this theory.


Skull expansion definitely occurs. This is true but it’s not so much expansion as much as it is is remodeling and minor growth.


When women go through menopause they start losing their hair.

But many women who go through menopause suffer from osteoporosis. A condition where bone resorption occurs tremendously which is basically a proces where the osteoclasts demineralize the bone.

If skull expansion was the issue then people who’s bones are decreasing would grow hair back. Their skulls would shrink



Unless somehow the skull is resistant to osteoporosis in AA, doubt it.

Not to mention transgenders wouldn’t grow back tremendous hair so fast so quickly. I mean bone changes takes months and months.


The best explanation besides the dht sensitivity is the muscles in the skull are causing some sort of tension or the calcification theory. Not to mention arrector Pilli muscle connected to the hair may also be affected negatively.

Botox helped grow peoples hair back.

If someone can show me an example where someone’s skull shrinks and they grow hair back the theory would have tremendous merit but out all the theories out there it has no studies or clinical data or annecdotes to back it up.

Unlike the dht theory where people regrew hair inhibiting dht.
Or the theory of scalp tension where people massages their hair and also had some minor gains.
 

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hes been hit too many times lol...not sure that theory is so good.

It’s no doubt in my mind tension is related to hairloss hence the pattern. But it’s not bone related imo.

We need more science u would think Jeff bezos would start a foundation dedicated to research in balding. But when u are that rich u don’t care lol


But to go even further why do babies often grow there hair in from the same male pattern baldness pattern. It starts off growin hoseshoe like with recession and then fills in completely. Skull expansion theory destroyed
 
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