This is how i see it...actually this is how it is...

[AKA]

What did Ty W get banned for?

Was it him who was bullying GeminiX?

 

[bornthisway]

Regarding this thread, I'm new to gourmetstylewellness.com but I realize that hair loss never stops but it can be slowed down a great deal by the drug known as finasteride for some people.. I'm sure ups or improvements may be short lived and then people move onto combinations with minoxidil or whatever is hot on the market at the time.. or perhaps in 10 years there will be a better more effective solution for it, if people think their hair loss is stopped feel free to correct them, it's a progressive disease isn't it? Though, my barber told me that she's been cutting hair for some men for the good part of a decade and their hair loss did come to some sort of halt.. so mpd does affect everyone differently and since we're not all the same, drugs will vary in effectiveness.

 

[hairschmair]

As horrible as it is I wouldn't call it a disease

 

[bornthisway]

Okay, condition

I think being able to realize that hair loss is likely to get the best of you is a requirement for later better coping with the situation and better handling it in the present.

 

[sherwood]

my opinions are based on this forum...which i know seems unfair or unlogical...but in the same sense ...where the heck else would someone want to go to see how a product is working...ur right i wasnt at the trials...but i have been here and i see the same things over n over again...and always with this notion that rpopecia is maintaining hair in 83 %of the men who take it...read the posts...count em up if u want...u would be lucky to find 10 % of people who could look you in the eye and say...propecia has done what it says it would do...i would love to come on here and read sucess stories...trust me...just as much as i love reading how peopel are finding other ways to put things in perspective rather than basing everything on the wiggage...but it just isnt happening...and please dont come back with...the support aspect or slowing down is success...i understand all that and i hav esaid that many times...the posts dont lie...regardless of how u see it there is no way a product that claims 83 % effectiveness woul dresult in a forum with so much negaitivity, depression, and frustration...bottom line...think bout it

 

[jimmystanley]

Deaner a success story?? :lol: Just kidding! All the same, you will still see many of these people complain, even some that are a full year into their existing treatments. Do you really think that the majority of people that come here are here because their treatments are not working? I really don't.

There are also many that have been on treatments for a long period of time that have not had success (I will not name names). However, I do get your point! But, still people have to be reasonable about what 'success' really is in the realm of hairloss. Success may be just being able to hold onto your hair for an 'extra year' with no distinguishable cosmetic difference in their hair. For many, including myself, this is not really success.

Although, I have come to realize that I will never be happy with my hair. Being on treatments allows me to say, "Whelp at least I'm doing something!". Although, I know in my heart that I cannot expect much and will never be 'really' happy. Hence, why I say get on something and move on with your life............hairloss really is trivial when you think about it. I, like the next person, am not happy with my situation, but have_come_to_accept_it.

viper..we don't want to hear this from you. what we want to hear is that eucapil is doing wonders for you in terms of maintainance and that the lasercomb is thickening your hair up nicely...not that you have 'accepted' going bald.

 

[bornthisway]

They paid him hush money after it failed so he is not able to comment

 

[WithTheLidOff]

damn....this is so cynical and pessimistic. WHat do you people have against others regaining their confidence anyways??.....I was super skeptical that the stuff wouldnt work for me. Before i started my treatments, i spent like 8 hours on here one day..and i was scared shitless and extremely depressed. I thought my hair would grow back and here i was reading that it wouldnt. Luckily...i came across badhairdecades pictures (thank you SO much btw if you see this) and went ahead with the treatment. Best move I ever made!! True that it doesnt work for everyone, but 10%?? Come on!!! I'm VERY glad that I didnt run into someone like you to scare me away from these treatments. Even maintenance is a good result. Its WAY easier being a bald 30 year old than a bald 22 year old!!

Best of luck everyone !

 

[Guest]

you would be very hard pressed to find instances where people say i was once positively losing my hair and now it has stopped ...

Check this out.
http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/discussions ... ight=diddy
And he came back for a 15month update, no gyno, just great hair... and ever since then he never came back.

 

[jimmystanley]

Even maintenance is a good result.

Best of luck everyone !

amen sista!!

 

[viperfish]

Deaner a success story?? :lol: Just kidding! All the same, you will still see many of these people complain, even some that are a full year into their existing treatments. Do you really think that the majority of people that come here are here because their treatments are not working? I really don't.

There are also many that have been on treatments for a long period of time that have not had success (I will not name names). However, I do get your point! But, still people have to be reasonable about what 'success' really is in the realm of hairloss. Success may be just being able to hold onto your hair for an 'extra year' with no distinguishable cosmetic difference in their hair. For many, including myself, this is not really success.

Although, I have come to realize that I will never be happy with my hair. Being on treatments allows me to say, "Whelp at least I'm doing something!". Although, I know in my heart that I cannot expect much and will never be 'really' happy. Hence, why I say get on something and move on with your life............hairloss really is trivial when you think about it. I, like the next person, am not happy with my situation, but have_come_to_accept_it.

viper..we don't want to hear this from you. what we want to hear is that eucapil is doing wonders for you in terms of maintainance and that the lasercomb is thickening your hair up nicely...not that you have 'accepted' going bald.

Jimmy they are working, but I know not to expect miracles.

 

[sherwood]

hahaha...alot of you refuse to see what im saying here...many have responded angrily thinking im trying to bring people down...read the posts that wanst the intent...i stated earlier how i see so many frustrated people many of whom are feeling lik ethey are the unlucky 17 percent who dont get results...from a drug that claims to stop hairloss in 83 percent...thast all im saying...maybe if people looked at th ereality of the success rates on this forum they would b eless inclined to start propecia with such high expectations of ridding the problem completely...please respond intelligently...and yes someone happened to point out a success story that did actually seem quite good...just thinkn there should b emore

 

[Trent]

my response wasn't out of anger, i was just pointing out that using this forum as a medium for analyzing the success ratio of propecia is just not valid. I don't think anyone is arguing that this site is filled with a lot of not so great result victims. These are the people that need additional help. These are the people that need questions answers and need this forum. these are the people you are seeing everyday. For treatment success stories members, they have the few "6,12,18 months updates" chances to talk about their new glory days with better hair. Other than that they don't post about it. How often do you hear gardner or cassin post a: "my hair is great today!! same as yesterday" very rarely. They just get lost in the sea of newbie questions and answers anyway. Do a double blind study with thousands of people to back up your claims about propecia's flaws. Otherwise, I'll just stick with a 1, 2, and five year double blind study rather than the opinions and observations from a forum that is actually designed to help those in need, those with questions and those who are not getting the results. Its just way skewed man. I'm not saying you are WRONG in your claims, who knows, maybe propecia's results are overexaggerated. But basing it on this forum is the wrong way to go about proving them wrong.

 

[Guest]

I posted diddy's success story because it had pics, heres another one with pics. Actionpack
http://www.geocities.com/actionpackti/

And's heres a little something more on why people with results usually don't post.

Now, why dont people on these boards seem happy with available treatments? A few ideas...

1) Non-responders or poor responders seek out these boards... The studies do show some people get less hair regrowth and maintenence. If the first treatment you try works you may very well not seek out sites like this. (For me, I started proscar 4-5 years ago, and didnt seek out a hair loss site until I noticed thinning again years later. I sure wouldnt be here if things had continued to go smoothly as it does for some... Now I have adjusted my approach and hope to happily "disappear" again once im sure its working : )

2) Not everyone is using the "big 3" or the most proven regimine... Laser combs and topical anti-androgens and inflamil MAY help, but you would be hard pressed to find studies showing objective regrowth... If you arent on the proven treatments (finasteride, rogaine, nizoral) you are a "study of one," and it is hard to know what to make of your success or failure...

3) Hairlines are tough (F'ing temples), and available treatments may or may not tackle the hairline as well as crown and vertex... It is harder to apply topicals to the hairline, and they seem predisposed to go fast and early. Rogaine and Finasteride dont have indications for the hairline, probably for the reason that benifits are more marginal there and harder to demonstrate. Even with maintenence in other areas progression in "problem areas" produces complaints on the board. (my plan is to try retin-a or other creams at the hairline to help out other treatments).

4) Regrowth is tough... Sadly I am NOT happy with my current hairline (though I bet in 10 years I would take it back happily) and unless some major improbable frontal regrowth occurres I will remain a little discontent. This despite the fact that I knows maintenence for 10 years would be a major victory... Even succeeding (regarding maintenence) with a well designed program I will probably gripe and be dissatisfied.

So, I think that there are treatments that work for a lot of people... Choose the proven treatments as early as possible and you will probably enjoy a significant delay in progression... and certainly do better than you would have with no treatment. Notable regrowth can be hoped for, but not expected (sigh). If progressing despite multiple treatments used faithfully you may have a stronger predisposition than most, and may need a little extra effort/innovation in treatments.

Whether hairloss can be delayed indefinitely is an unanswered question (not studied)... Posts on these boards suggest not everybody can maintain forever, but the above studies (limited to single drugs) suggest that MOST people can maintain for years. If you find yourself not falling into that group there are less conventional treatments to turn to (dutasteride, RU) before throwing in the towel.

 

[sherwood]

its do agree that a major reason why so many complaints are seen is due to the fact that the finasteride doent help a hairline very often...unfortuantely this is where many peopel initially start to lose it so that is why 83 % claim by merck seems so skewed to me..ask anyone on this sight to state the finasteride claims and they will say 83 percent of men will maintain the hair they currently have...yet thos same peopel will then say nothing can seemingly help my hairline...weird...its obvious here

 

[sherwood]

dont ya think