Tricomin

[jecheung]

I am just curious with people's experience with Tricomin Follicle Spray (copper peptides) Does it regrow hair? Is it necessary to use it every day? Is it good for thinning?

thanks to anyway with any comments..

 

[Cassin]

The product is more about scalp health than regrowth. I really like the product and personally I only think it needs to be used every other day or so.

 

[flamingpie]

I just started using tricomin shampoo twice a week, and folligen spray every other day.
Its only been 2 weeks so too soon to give an opinion, although I have noticed new tiny tiny hairs sprouting up on my hairline. Not expecting miracles though.

 

[finfighter]

The problem with Tricomin is that it only contains trace amounts of the active ingredient (AHK-CU) in fact the amount it contains is basically ineffective in terms of hair growth. The sad thing is that AHK-CU has been shown in clinical trials to be an effective hair growth stimulant and more importantly an antifibrotic, however it was only shown to stimulate hair growth at a 2.5%-5% strength, unfortunately Tricomin is more concerned with profits than they are with efficacy so they dye their solution blue (AHK is a blue Powder) to try and trick people into believing that it contains a significant amount of AHK. But the reality is a 2.5% solution will naturally turn the liquid a deep royal blue color so the fact that they dye their solution blue proves that their solution has a very low concentration of AHK in it, and this ius why it's a very weak product, almost ineffective.


It's a shame too because fibrosis is a fundamental part of the balding process because once fibrosis of the hair follicle occurs you have very slim chances of actual regrowth, but a product that contains a 2.5% solution or higher of AHK can reverse fibrosis, so if you use it with a antiandrogen (finasteride) or a topical antiandrogen (RU, RUM, CB,etc) you have a much higher chance of regrowth then if you used the antiandrogens by themselves, because antiandrogens alone cannot reverse fibrosis, if you throw a growth stimulator in the mix to you have a great chance at some serious regrowth! Unfortunately, Tricomin doesn't contain ebnough AHK to be effective!


I just bought a kilo of Pure (AHK) to make my own 2.5%-5% solutions with see the rich deep blue color of the peptides in the pic.

 

[Pyro]

i could sum up tricomin in one word. 4 letters, begins with S, ends with T. Has a "HI" in the middle. D

 

[Cassin]

The problem with Tricomin is that it only contains trace amounts of the active ingredient (AHK-CU) in fact the amount it contains is basically ineffective in terms of hair growth. The sad thing is that AHK-CU has been shown in clinical trials to be an effective hair growth stimulant and more importantly an antifibrotic, however it was only shown to stimulate hair growth at a 2.5%-5% strength, unfortunately Tricomin is more concerned with profits than they are with efficacy so they dye their solution blue (AHK is a blue Powder) to try and trick people into believing that it contains a significant amount of AHK. But the reality is a 2.5% solution will naturally turn the liquid a deep royal blue color so the fact that they dye their solution blue proves that their solution has a very low concentration of AHK in it, and this ius why it's a very weak product, almost ineffective.


It's a shame too because fibrosis is a fundamental part of the balding process because once fibrosis of the hair follicle occurs you have very slim chances of actual regrowth, but a product that contains a 2.5% solution or higher of AHK can reverse fibrosis, so if you use it with a antiandrogen (finasteride) or a topical antiandrogen (RU, RUM, CB,etc) you have a much higher chance of regrowth then if you used the antiandrogens by themselves, because antiandrogens alone cannot reverse fibrosis, if you throw a growth stimulator in the mix to you have a great chance at some serious regrowth! Unfortunately, Tricomin doesn't contain ebnough AHK to be effective!


I just bought a kilo of Pure (AHK) to make my own 2.5%-5% solutions with see the rich deep blue color of the peptides in the pic.

Holy sh*t.......!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bryan]

The problem with Tricomin is that it only contains trace amounts of the active ingredient (AHK-CU) in fact the amount it contains is basically ineffective in terms of hair growth.

We now know that Tricomin has 1% of the AHK-Cu peptide. Do you think that's an "ineffective" amount? :dunno:

 

[finfighter]

The problem with Tricomin is that it only contains trace amounts of the active ingredient (AHK-CU) in fact the amount it contains is basically ineffective in terms of hair growth.

We now know that Tricomin has 1% of the AHK-Cu peptide. Do you think that's an "ineffective" amount? :dunno:

In comparison to 2.5%-5% solution, I believe that it is significantly less effective, and probably ineffective in terms of hair growth, just ask anyone who uses it, and I doubt they even use a 1% solution, if they did they wouldn't need to dye their solution blue! I will show you what a real 1% solution looks like, and you will see that they must not even use a 1% a solution otherwise they wouldn't need to dye it blue now would they?

BTW, what do you mean by ''we know that tricomin uses a 1% solution'' we don't know that at all they simply refuse to disclose the amount they use, this is a big red flag IMO!

 

[Bryan]

In comparison to 2.5%-5% solution, I believe that it is significantly less effective, and probably ineffective in terms of hair growth, just ask anyone who uses it, and I doubt they even use a 1% solution, if they did they wouldn't need to dye their solution blue! I will show you what a real 1% solution looks like, and you will see that they must not even use a 1% a solution otherwise they wouldn't need to dye it blue now would they?

It's purely hypothetical for you to even suggest the possibility of a "5%" solution, since all they used, even in the much-ballyhooed testing that was done under FDA auspices, was just 1% and 2.5%.

Furthermore, I doubt that you personally have enough experience with this peptide to be able to tell accurately just from the color how much of the peptide exists in Tricomin, and (perhaps more importantly) just how effectively a given specific percentage works.

BTW, what do you mean by ''we know that tricomin uses a 1% solution'' we don't know that at all they simply refuse to disclose the amount they use, this is a big red flag IMO!

You must be new here! We just had a big discussion back two or three or four weeks ago in which a poster was telling us about how somebody with Procyte finally admitted to him that Tricomin contains exactly 1% of its copper-peptide. That information has been a long time coming, but now the cat's finally out of the bag.

 

[finfighter]

It's purely hypothetical for you to even suggest the possibility of a "5%" solution, since all they used, even in the much-ballyhooed testing that was done under FDA auspices, was just 1% and 2.5%.

They used a 2.5% solution in the clinical trials that showed results, and they referenced a 5% solution in the patent. The 1% soluttion was not nearly as effective as the 2.5+ percent solution!

Furthermore, I doubt that you personally have enough experience with this peptide to be able to tell accurately just from the color how much of the peptide exists in Tricomin, and (perhaps more importantly) just how effectively a given specific percentage works.

LOL that's really funny Bryan, let me give you a clue, if a 1% solution is dark blue, then Tricomin would not need to dye their solution blue unless it wasn't a 1% solution, get it?

ou must be new here! We just had a big discussion back two or three or four weeks ago in which a poster was telling us about how somebody with Procyte finally admitted to him that Tricomin contains exactly 1% of its copper-peptide. That information has been a long time coming, but now the cat's finally out of the bag.

Lol, a 1% solution is not the same as a 2.5%+ solution and weren't you the one who claimed that 1% figure in the first place? I doubt they even use 1% solution otherwise they wouldn't have to dye their compound blue, so Bryan where did you get the 1% figure in the first place, source? BTW I have been around for a minute, this is FINFIGHTER!!!!!!!

 

[powersam]

regrowth: GraftCyte, Iamin, and Folligen all contain less than 1% of their active ingredient. The studies on Tricomin on 1.25% and 2.5% formula showed only the 2.5% formula was effective for hairloss.

http://hairloss.org/hairloss-interviews ... erview.cfm

 

[powersam]

You must be new here! We just had a big discussion back two or three or four weeks ago in which a poster was telling us about how somebody with Procyte finally admitted to him that Tricomin contains exactly 1% of its copper-peptide. That information has been a long time coming, but now the cat's finally out of the bag.

That is not exactly robust evidence.

Why is the percentage not stated on their website?

 

[Bryan]

Furthermore, I doubt that you personally have enough experience with this peptide to be able to tell accurately just from the color how much of the peptide exists in Tricomin, and (perhaps more importantly) just how effectively a given specific percentage works.

LOL that's really funny Bryan, let me give you a clue, if a 1% solution is dark blue, then Tricomin would not need to dye their solution blue unless it wasn't a 1% solution, get it?

Again: I couldn't care less what the various reasons are for some company to put "blue dye" in some product they make. What you're saying about this is just boring me.

ou must be new here! We just had a big discussion back two or three or four weeks ago in which a poster was telling us about how somebody with Procyte finally admitted to him that Tricomin contains exactly 1% of its copper-peptide. That information has been a long time coming, but now the cat's finally out of the bag.

Lol, a 1% solution is not the same as a 2.5%+ solution and weren't you the one who claimed that 1% figure in the first place? I doubt they even use 1% solution otherwise they wouldn't have to dye their compound blue, so Bryan where did you get the 1% figure in the first place, source? BTW I have been around for a minute, this is FINFIGHTER!!!!!!!

I made a minor mistake when I recorded those numbers before: the percentages used in the FDA trials were 1.25% and 2.5%. Sorry.

The person who first revealed this information of what's being used in Tricomin was the poster "UunoTurhapuro", who first posted about it in the thread "Tricomin or Prox-N?", here in the Growth Stimulants forum. This first happened on Tuesday, September 27, 2011, nearly four weeks ago (just like I said). The first statement of his on that issue is near the bottom of the second page of that thread. Considering how much of a stir that statement made at the time, I'm surprised this is the first you're hearing of it!

 

[Bryan]

You must be new here! We just had a big discussion back two or three or four weeks ago in which a poster was telling us about how somebody with Procyte finally admitted to him that Tricomin contains exactly 1% of its copper-peptide. That information has been a long time coming, but now the cat's finally out of the bag.

That is not exactly robust evidence.

Maybe it's not perfectly robust, but I believe them. Keep in mind that it agrees with what the Procyte person said several years ago, when she said that Tricomin was "between the effectiveness of the 1.25% and 2.5% solutions used in the FDA trial, but closer to that of the 2.5% solution." I believe that, too.

Why is the percentage not stated on their website?

Good question. Why doesn't any Website state the percentage of the active ingredients of their products? Why doesn't Dr. Pickart do that? Or Dr. Proctor? I guess it's an important advantage not to reveal every detail of such products, and keep people guessing about what's in them... Thankfully, though, that piece of information has finally been revealed (at least for Tricomin)!

 

[finfighter]

Bryan, Tricomin dyes their product blue because it doesn't contain enough of the active ingredient to tint the water, that's a fact! A real 2.5% solutuon will tint the water blue, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out!

You don't definitively know how much AHK tricomin contains, you are going on second hand conjecture and speculation. The fact that Tricomin dyes their solution blue has already proved my point that it contains very little AHK!

 

[finfighter]

:whistle: :laugh:

 

[BenVegas01]

The proven treatments for hairloss Minoxidil, dutasteride, ketoconazole, Finasteride - all show the % of active ingredient. Why should AHK-cu be any different?

AHK was under patent, so there was no company advantage by withholding % of the active ingredient.

It shows a contempt of the buyer, especially those who assumed they would be getting what had worked in the clinical trial ie: 2.5% AHK-cu

 

[Bryan]

Bryan, why are you attributing the above quotes to kinofthedemo2?

They were made by powersam.

How do you know that? He said he was "finfighter". :dunno:

 

[Bryan]

The proven treatments for hairloss Minoxidil, dutasteride, ketoconazole, Finasteride - all show the % of active ingredient. Why should AHK-cu be any different?

I generally tend to agree with you on that, but for whatever reason(s), it's simply not the case in the Real World. Procyte certainly doesn't state the percentage of copper-peptide in Iamin Hydrating Gel, Dr. Pickart doesn't state how much copper-peptide is in his products like Folligen, and Dr. Proctor most certainly doesn't state how much of each ingredient is in Proxiphen (hell, he doesn't even state what all the ingredients actually are, much less how much of each one is included in the product). If even the FTC (not to mention the FDA) doesn't force product makers to tell how much of each ingredient is in the product (or what each ingredient actually is), it's obviously okay (and legal) for such information to be withheld from the consumer.

It shows a contempt of the buyer, especially those who assumed they would be getting what had worked in the clinical trial ie: 2.5% AHK-cu

Again, I generally tend to agree with you, but I also acknowledge the fact that people like Dr. Proctor would probably be easily cheated by the "do-it-yourselfers" who would make cheap versions of things like Proxiphen, if they know exactly how much of each ingredient to use. I can appreciate knowing exactly what we're putting on our scalps, but I can also appreciate having a doctor protect the intellectual property that he has invested in all of his products.

Another issue that complicates what you said above about the "2.5% AHK-Cu peptide" in Tricomin has to do with the fact that the exact vehicle used in Tricomin is probably important. Procyte made improvements to the vehicle, allowing them to use a somewhat weaker peptide solution, saving us all money. I don't think it's completely fair for you to demand that we know exactly how much peptide is in the product, as if that's the sole basis on which to estimate its overall effectiveness, and decide whether or not to purchase Tricomin.

 

[powersam]

Where is the proof of that though, other than it being said by a rep for Tricomin.

We know that a 2.5% solution gave a statistically significant result, due to the study showing so (although I cannot find the full text of that study anywhere).

We have zero proof that an alleged 1% solution with a better vehicle will deliver better results.