UK male pattern baldness is rampant

[SayifDoit]

I swear everywhere I look there 6 or 7 dudes who suffering from major to minor hair loss. Like in this supermarket I work at at least 80% of guys above 30 are suffering from severe hair loss. Its rare you see a one guy without minor hair loss. Come to Britain because a lot of you guys will fit in here well. Seriously one guy i met little over a week ago who must of been in his mid 20's, I just saw him a moment ago but this time he didn't have a hat on...slick Nw6. Strange thing most of these guys don't even shave their heads they just keep that crown of hair and it looks dreadful.

 

[megatron]

It's something I've often wondered - whether environment or lifestyle have an impact on hair loss. In my parents generation men didn't lose their hair til at least their 40s, and even then it was pretty slow. Nowadays it seems guys lose it a lot younger and a lot quicker. More pollution? More processed food in our diets? Who knows.

 

[winnyblues]

It's something I've often wondered - whether environment or lifestyle have an impact on hair loss. In my parents generation men didn't lose their hair til at least their 40s, and even then it was pretty slow. Nowadays it seems guys lose it a lot younger and a lot quicker. More pollution? More processed food in our diets? Who knows.

processed food, bad lifestyle just compounds the already there male pattern baldness genes in your genetic make up. Add to that with the increased stress levels, more competitive nature of everything in society and no wonder guys are going bald earlier. Not all thouhg, still a minority lol. go to a club and you'll spot maybe 1 or 2 bald people out of 100+.

Last time i went to a club (2 weeks ago), I spotted TWO bald people out of 500.
TWO
OUT
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500
thats 2/500= 0.004 or 0.04% of the guys there were bald

 

[Ventures]

I also noticed how male pattern baldness is prevalant among young men in UK, and norway, sweden. It doesn't have to do with lifestyle or food. I think it's just balding genes. And those balding guys I see in supermarkets, street, subway, I notice they generally don't have significant body hair and facial hair.

I think nothern europeans(scandinavians, anglo, noridic) have stronger male pattern baldness genes. You can find balding guys in greek and tunis, but they tend to have much more body hair, which mean they have a lot more DHT inside scalp and skin compared to men from UK, Scandinavia.

And during my trip to UK, I even noticed older women have greater or less hair loss issue. You can see thinning of hair in majority of post-menopausal women.

 

[massa]

I agree there is a lot of hair loss in the UK . But as for fitting in, every time I see a young bald guy here, he is usually walking the streets alone with no companions. The nw1's usually have a girl on their arm or people around them. I don't think they fit in at all, baldness is still considered a defect by society.

 

[GoldenMane]

Same in Ireland. The majority of course aren't balding in their 20s, but a large minority are, it's very prevalent. Same lifestyle and diet as the UK with all of it's excesses, but I don't think that's a factor. It's almost certainly just genes.
In Japan now and ****ing everybody under 40 is an NW1 or at least 2. Loads of men in their 60s with NW1s as well! That said, between 40 and 50, a very large number of Japanese men are experiencing significant hair loss. Again, I don't buy into the diet thing, guys I work with here in their 50s smoke a lot, wrecked their voices, but still NW1s. They eat meat, but less, a lot more rice, tofu, soups and salads. You could try that diet, see if it works for you, but somehow I doubt it. Unfortunately North west Europe just seems to have inherited the worst balding genes in the world, though it seems to be quite high in middle eastern nations too.

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I saw one dude in his 20s here once, shaved head, very scrappy little moustache... Felt so bad for him, if it's bad for us, I can't imagine what it must be like to be the only Japanese dude for miles around in his 20s who's bald. It's no consolation, but at least we know and see others daily in the same boat. That said, the only other teachers in my school with more hair loss than me are over 48, 20 years my senior.

 

[Raz]

I agree that the male pattern baldness-genes seem to be strong in the nordic countries and the UK. Probably the strongest I've seen anywhere. UK in particular was kind of shocking, I probably saw the most NW3s+ than I have seen anywhere else, per capita, among people in their 20s.

In Finland, I feel like there're plenty of NW2s and NW2.5s who are in their late teens and early/mid-20s. That's not really severe balding and non-Norwood spotters don't even notice it, just thinking someone has a bigger forehead or that the guy in question has a "mature hairline, all normal!" and stuff. Looking at my FB-friends, among my 250 or so friends, I only know two other guys who are balding badly and who are in their 20s. One of these guys is a diffuse thinning NW4 who keeps his head shaven (would look terrible grown out, sadly). He is actually famous and popular with the ladies, turning 28 this year. The other dude is a full-blown NW5 at 22 or so; he went from a thin NW1 to NW5 between 19 and 21. Feeling really bad for that guy.

Everyone else I know who are in their 20s are either NW1s or those aforementioned NW2s and NW2.5s who don't regress at all from that in their 20s, so they are considered non-balding. After people hit their 30s though, it seems to be a trend that people can easily go down another 1-2 NWs quickly. So it's kind of similar with how GoldenMane said it is in Japan, except people in here start losing it en masse in their 30s, rather than their 40s and 50s.

 

[Wolf Pack]

processed food, bad lifestyle just compounds the already there male pattern baldness genes in your genetic make up. Add to that with the increased stress levels, more competitive nature of everything in society and no wonder guys are going bald earlier. Not all thouhg, still a minority lol. go to a club and you'll spot maybe 1 or 2 bald people out of 100+.

Last time i went to a club (2 weeks ago), I spotted TWO bald people out of 500.
TWO
OUT
OF
500
thats 2/500= 0.004 or 0.04% of the guys there were bald

That's when you realise how much of a death sentence being bald is as far as social worth, cool girls are concerned. I notice that trend in clubs and bars as well. I have been to upmarket bars in London with older people too and hardly see full on baldies. Mainly recession or some crown thinning at most with most people sporting a hair style. The message is clear: bald people avoid these places.

 

[GoldenMane]

It depends on the club or bars. Also depends on your definition of hair loss. If I go to a club here with lots of foreign dudes, I'll probably see a couple of proper bald white dudes, quite a lot of guys sporting NW2-3s, but mostly < NW2s.
Some clubs, wit older clientelle (30s and 40s) are more likely to have bald dudes. I've actually seen quite a few really hot women with middle aged bald business types in clubs. I will admit, I do wonder why they were with them, but it seems bald guys can still get women. I'm not sure how or why, personality, money, status. but women, especially 30+ do pay attention to tat stuff. Teenage and 20 something women definitely, almost universally demand hair though.

If you ask a woman whether she minds balding, her answer will be very age dependent.

 

[xetudor]

In my country I see a lot of balding and bald guys. 10% of my high school and university collegues are bald or almost bald at age 27. I think those with NW1 are under 40% and for older men It's much worse.

I had a high school friend and he was a NW3 and after 10 years he is still the same but one NW1 is now compelty bald. I didn't notice any pattern about baldness here, I see a lot of bald guys with hot girls. How can women not like balding guys? That's what the vast majority of men do, they go bald. Even a lot of guys with hair keep a buzzcut or even shave their head like rappers to appear tougher. A have a friend studying in the UK and he said guys there are more handsome. I think it's because they style their hair and don't keep it short all the time.

 

[Wolf Pack]

It depends on the club or bars. Also depends on your definition of hair loss. If I go to a club here with lots of foreign dudes, I'll probably see a couple of proper bald white dudes, quite a lot of guys sporting NW2-3s, but mostly < NW2s.
Some clubs, wit older clientelle (30s and 40s) are more likely to have bald dudes. I've actually seen quite a few really hot women with middle aged bald business types in clubs. I will admit, I do wonder why they were with them, but it seemsbald guys can still get women. I'm not sure how or why, personality, money, status. but women, especially 30+ do pay attention to tat stuff. Teenage and 20 something women definitely, almost universally demand hair though.

If you ask a woman whether she minds balding, her answer will be very age dependent.

Of course, bald men can get women, especially getting to know them long term, just their overall ability to attract women severely plummets. This is seen a lot in these bar/club scenarios where people decide within a few seconds if they want to get to know you for real, guy or girl. I believe this is where being bald is the worst, your social worth takes a big hit. Even on those dating programs, no bald guy ever does well regardless of age, it's very rare.

I don't really consider anything up to Norwood 3 to be bald because in the public eye it doesn't seem to be a deal breaker or life changing, providing you have thick hair. If you are a diffuser all round it can look bad or anyone beyond Norwood 3.

 

[xetudor]

He's right though. You can 100% prevent baldness by not eating fat, protein and carbohydrates. May result in death or death related symptoms.

 

[Ventures]

It seems Europeans, who don't have Mediterranean or middle east origin, so from UK, nordic and eastern(slavenic) countries tend to have more androgen sensitive hair on their head. It must be that, so it depends on level of DHT when and at what aggressiveness baldness will occur.

And another thing, there are lot of foreign workers (from turkey and so) in UK, Scandinavia, and how come they don't suffer from hair loss at that extent, and they certainly consume same food, lifestyle. Because they have another balding genes. They can also go bald, but not at that young age and that speed. Usually men with middle east origin who go bald have very thick body and facial hair.

 

[SayifDoit]

It's funny because most guys from the UK struggle to grow any facial hair, yet suffer from severe hair loss. Talk about bull**** genes.

 

[GoldenMane]

That's pretty much where I'm at. Fine blond hair, norwood 2-2.25 hanging in there with propecia, can't grow a proper beard, no chest hair. I'm guessing that means highly sensitive androgen receptors rather than high DHT. The typical balding advice (shave, get buff, grow a beard) doesn't apply, I'd just end up looking like a pasty chemo patient with a big forehead.

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It seems natural selection has failed north west europeans. Either that or there is some unseen advantage at play. Perhaps the shiny dome means greater vitamin D synthesis in the cold, gray, dark north!

 

[smyth01]

Because they eat like crap, drink, smoke...Simple as that, diet is 80% of everything.

I heard olive oil can stop hair loss.

 

[idunnolol]

Has it ever occured to you, that it's called androgenetic alopecia, because it's driven by hormones (and not your diet)?

 

[idunnolol]

Do people really believe that what you put in your body, which is the fuel used for absolutely all the processes your body goes through have no impact on hormone balance?.

Nowhere near the impact you would need it to be unless you're talking about sprinkling propecia over your cereals.

 

[SayifDoit]

I still can't believe we still have morons who actually believe your diet contributes to male pattern baldness. I hope you ****ing go slick bald just so you get it through your thick skull. Aggressive male pattern baldness proves diet has no correlation with male pattern baldness/.

 

[Ventures]

That's pretty much where I'm at. Fine blond hair, norwood 2-2.25 hanging in there with propecia, can't grow a proper beard, no chest hair. I'm guessing that means highly sensitive androgen receptors rather than high DHT. The typical balding advice (shave, get buff, grow a beard) doesn't apply, I'd just end up looking like a pasty chemo patient with a big forehead.

If you don't have facial hair or body hair it doesn't necesarry mean you have low DHT, but maybe you have low DHT activity in facial area and beard follicles. So, maybe some guys, who are facial hairless indeed have high DHT but not in beard area. You no what I mean. and another thing is how sensitive you beard is to androgens. That is why some men have very thick facial hair even they don't have body hair and hair loss,

For example look at this actor from Modern family http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Tyler_Ferguson, he has nice beard, but zero body hair and zero hair loss. And don't forget that ginger colored men are more prone to Androgenetic Alopecia since they come from genetic pool with strong balding genes. Like prince Harry, he is also ginger, and suffer like his older brother with thinning of hair.