Update: Dr Rogers now under investigation by the GMC

haggis

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A few pictures of dr rogers previous hair transplant work, i have since
been to dr cole for a repair, awaiting the results at the moment.
I have posted these pics on other sites, but as there seems to be quite a
few UK posters here i thought someone might be interested to see them.

If anyone wonders what the blue markings on my head are for, its the areas where dr cole is taking out the folicle units.

The scar is from 2 strips of around 300 grafts each, very small amounts by todays standards.

It was carried out by Dr richard rogers at wellesbourne hair restoration in 1997 and 1998.

Dr rogers is still in the hair transplant business, but now running his own clinic in
stratford-upon-avon, not far from me, maybe i should pop down there
and scare a few patients in the waiting room :evil:



Nice scar.. :cry: :-x
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Natural looking grafts and placement.. :cry: :-x
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I think my hairline would of looked worse than this if my hair was
straight, but because of my natural wavy hair it softens the pluggyness slightly :cry: :-x
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Dr rogers
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haggis

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Hi shedmaster, ive had 2800 grafts placed into the front 3rd to hide the dr
rogers grafts mainly the pluggy / thin hairline, and some grafts placed into the scar to break it up, i may
have a scar revision if this doesnt work out.


Picture below shows my hair before with 600 mini/micro grafts, and the other pic is my 2nd day with dr cole,
the grafts were placed upto the line marked on my forehead, lowering the hairline by 1cm.

If i have good growth from the dr cole grafts i think it will make quite a
big difference, my hair is slighty wavy which helps give the impression
of more density.

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Optimist

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Thanks for the post. It is important that people hear these stories when looking for a hair transplant Doctor.
 

Hans Gruber

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hey haggis,good to see youre getting it sorted


what did dr rogers have to say about your results? i wonder if he'll reply on here too
 

LookingGood!

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Hope it all works out for you in the end Haggis. I think some Toppik could help with the appearance once Cole's work takes. I followed ur story on other sites. I admire you for sharing this with us.
 

Lucky_UK

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i wonder if he'll reply on here too


I was thinking that too,

Hope it works out for you Haggis, I read your story on the other forums and I understand how unhappy you are, did you contat Dr Rogers prior to posting this topic on the forums?

This exposure must'nt be good for his reputation, in his defence this was done when he was a newbie and in 1997, but I read somewhere that when Dr Feller was doing new and experimental hair transplant procedures he didn't charge for it, so I would at least ask for a refund or something cover the cost of your hair transplant with Dr Cole, I also thought you was too young at the time, and he does now praise himself for his ethical / reserved approach to hair transplant which I feel he is in a different league compared to feller, H&W, ********, armani, cole etc
 

Hans Gruber

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Lucky_UK ,your results are damn good and im pretty much in the same or slightly better situation you were pre hair transplant-defintely keeps Dr Feller high on my list of potential docs,congrats man :D
 

haggis

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libertine said:
hey haggis,good to see youre getting it sorted
what did dr rogers have to say about your results? i wonder if he'll reply
on here too


He replied on another site:

Haggis,
I am sorry that you're not happy with your result, but as everyone is
entitled to their own opinion, I shall add mine. I believe I have already
answered this topic on other forums you have posted on and previously
invited you for review and improvement - a scar revision initially then
possibly hair transplantation into the scar.
Obviously, FOC. However, you have decided not to take that route.

I am assuming you are a genuine patient - ten/eleven years is a long
time ago and I do not recall performing surgery on anybody of that age.
Unfortunately, I have also been subject to a "fake" patient and campaign
against me, amongst other things - it's not just people like Spex who've
suffered this.
I'm sorry if I'm a bit suspicious.

I am also assuming that I was the surgeon - Wellesbourne/Steven Barnes
did employ others, although the paperwork might have said it would be
me. This still occurs now: contrary to certain adverts, I was the doctor
who performed hair transplantation for Francis Rossi and the clinic or
limited company at which it was performed, no longer exists - it went bust three years ago.

As has been noted, you would clearly be one of my early patients - I can
only apologise and make a few points:

Unfortunately, everyone in life learns by experience - nobody is born an
expert and indeed, cutting edge technology today becomes tomorrows old
fashioned ideas very quickly. I assume you are not still driving the same
car as you did ten years ago?


Likewise, you can't judge the past by today's standards. I was taught the
same technique, using the same sutures, by two different hair
transplantation doctors. I soon identified that there were better choices of
sutures available and swapped to them. Immediately, my donor scars
improved. But I had been taught the accepted technique of the day which
is what I used initially. Again, when any apprentice is trained, he uses
the techniques taught to him - is it fair to blame the apprentice if the
teaching is wrong? At least I quickly changed the sutures, which was the
main source of your poor scar - it wasn't in fact lack of suturing skill.


As for the low density you have pointed out - undoubtedly, it is lower than
the density which you can see performed by Dr Cole recently.
It is an interesting side by side comparison however, that it is probably
half as dense.
As pointed out by others on alternative forums to this, it is as good
as anyone was performing then.


Lastly, as for your age then, perhaps with less experience, I was more
likely to agree to surgery in young men. I was probably also more likely
to give in to patient pressure too. As any 25 years old patients knows
now, I am unlikely to agree to hair transplantation for them. But, that
doesn't stop scores of desperate young men wanting hair transplants.
Occasionally, it may be the right decision. I have consulted depressed
young men, often with their parents, who won't leave their bedrooms,
because of hair loss. Hair transplantation has restored their confidence
where antidepressant tablets have failed. Should these patients be
denied? After all, 18 year old men are legally adults - your head -your
choice? Haggis, should you have been protected from your own decision?

Would that have convinced you at the age of 19? This is a controversy
which has not been agreed between hair surgeons but nothing is clear cut.


If I didn't care about the donor scar, I wouldn't now be trying to improve
as many "old" scars as possible - whether mine or anybody else's.
Neither would I help people like Bal. And neither would I have developed
and introduced "Tricho" closure into the UK, in October 2003 (long before
it became fashionable).


The purpose of this reply is to make Every patient think though the pros
and cons of hair transplantation. Increasingly, there is an expectation in
society that life is 100% predictable and perfect. It isn't, medicine in
particular isn't. There isn't a single hair transplant surgeon who hasn't had
patients with bad scars, poor growth. Hair transplantation has become
more predictable and consistent, more so than many surgical procedures
in fact. But, you still can't guarantee the result, whoever you see. And
there seem to be an awful lot of patients on all these forum sites, making
wild claims about their hair transplant docs.



I see a different picture when I go to conferences. I see my colleagues
discussing honestly about successes and failures, and different surgical
viewpoints. I don't hear my colleagues making wild claims about their
skills then.

I hope this clarifies my position as I have no intention of a "slanging
match" - it is food for thought.
 

haggis

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And my response:

(Dr Rogers @ Aug 3 2007, 11:03 PM)

Haggis,

I am sorry that you're not happy with your result, but as everyone is
entitled to their own opinion, I shall add mine. I believe I have already
answered this topic on other forums you have posted on and previously
invited you for review and improvement - a scar revision initially then
possibly hair transplantation into the scar. Obviously, FOC. However, you
have decided not to take that route.




Please dont make things up, it only damages your reputation further. You
have never answered this topic on other forums, and you have never
invited me for a review or scar revision, i can provide links to the other
forums i have posted this picture on, for other posters to see for
themselves.



I am assuming you are a genuine patient - ten/eleven years is a long
time ago and I do not recall performing surgery on anybody of that age.
Unfortunately, I have also been subject to a "fake" patient and campaign
against me, amongst other things - it's not just people like Spex who've
suffered this. I'm sorry if I'm a bit suspicious.



Nice try to discredit my story, but anyway yes im a genuine patient, and
yes it was you who performed the 2 hair transplant surgeries when i was 19 and 20
respectively, its not the kind of thing you forget about.



I am also assuming that I was the surgeon - Wellesbourne/Steven Barnes
did employ others, although the paperwork might have said it would be
me. This still occurs now: contrary to certain adverts, I was the doctor
who performed hair transplantation for Francis Rossi and the clinic or
limited company at which it was performed, no longer exists - it went bust
three years ago.



Yes you were most definetly the surgeon on both hair transplant's i had with you, to
be fair to you the first strip scar that you perfomed healed ok, and was
hard to find but it was for only 300 grafts, Im not sure what went wrong
with the second one?



As has been noted, you would clearly be one of my early patients - I can
only apologise and make a few points:


Unfortunately, everyone in life learns by experience - nobody is born an
expert



Ok, so your saying its standard practice to experiment on patients who
come to you believing that you are competent to carry out professional
work ?


cutting edge technology today becomes tomorrows old fashioned ideas
very quickly. I assume you are not still driving the same car as you did
ten years ago?


At least I quickly changed the sutures, which was the main source of your
poor scar - it wasn't in fact lack of suturing skill.



The first scar was fine, the second one was terrible, i would say it was a
lack of suturing skill



As for the low density you have pointed out - undoubtedly, it is lower than
the density which you can see performed by Dr Cole recently.
It is an interesting side by side comparison however, that it is probably half as dense.
As pointed out by others on alternative forums to this, it is as good
as anyone was performing then.


After all, 18 year old men are legally adults - your head -your choice?
Haggis, should you have been protected from your own decision?
Would that have convinced you at the age of 19?


If i had of known that you had only been performing hair transplant's for 5 mins my
decision to go ahead with the hair transplant would have been different



And there seem to be an awful lot of patients on all these forum sites,
making wild claims about their hair transplant docs.



I am making no 'wild claims' just simply stating facts and showing
potential patients an example of your work.
 

Nick4441

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Pleased that your getting this fixed and we all appreciate that you would share with us UK people especially.

It is scary to see this. It is early day of Dr Rogers by the sound of it and suspect alot of work back then is not what it it now but that's no excuse for your situation.

Dr Rogers needs to get the good examples on his web site like they do in the US and Canada..that will demonstrate he can provide good results. There are many references that say they are happy with his work and but how good is it..we need visible evidence especailly in light of this otherwise anyone that hits these boards from UK will never get hair transplant done in UK.

Your hair transplant Lucky is and example of how good things can be done.

I was put off before and this even more discourages me. I will wait for HM.
 

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Nick4441 said:
Pleased that your getting this fixed and we all appreciate that you would share with us UK people especially.

I was put off before and this even more discourages me. I will wait for HM.

Hi Nick, Ive lived with that scar and the pluggy hairline for the past 10 years, its only now that i have the time and money to try and get it fixed.

Dont let my experience discourage you from getting a hair transplant, just dont go to a UK clinic. with the exchange rate for the pound so good at the moment it wont cost you anymore to fly to the us and have a hair transplant with a good dr.
 
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I am really sorry that Haggis has not got the result he was wanting.
I do not know why his scar didn't heal as well the second time around although it is known that a second scar doesn't heal as well as the first. Yet many hair transplant surgeons still go through the same scar routinely as in some ways it is tidier. Having said that, some hair transplant surgeons never go through the same scar a second time.
Other factors are also important - many young men are into sport - football, gym etc. Exercising too vigorously/heavily too soon after surgery is going to stretch the scar. The hair transplant surgeon has no control over what the patient does after surgery yet often has to carry the blame if the result is poor. I doubt many patients would want to admit they might have caused problems themselves (not implying Haggis did).
Having said that, with the better sutures/techniques of now, not of 10 years ago, I would say a scar revision would improve your scar by 50% in a single procedure.
Although I agree that your result is not acceptable nowadays, I think you are being unfair for the following reasons:

I was using recognised techniques of that time, definitely not experimental.
The actual result, although sparse compared to the megasessions of today, is good for that time. Looking at the grafts, particularly in the "grown out" shot, they are not in the same league of "plugginess" that many patients recieved at that time. I used smaller micrografts than was usual then, almost follicular unit sized, which in many of patients I've seen since, have stood the test of time compared to others of 10 years ago.
I have also seen far worse scars than yours, including from the USA, so it is not just a "UK" problem.
I'm unlikely to perform surgery on 19 year olds now but "rules" were less black and white then in hair transplantation. Also, do not underestimate "pester power." It is common to see on forums like these, many men of around 20, who are pretty adamant about getting something done. As an adult, you have to take some responsibility for sitting in the chair and I certainly see plenty of evidence from these forum sites, that many clinics do market to younger men. I don't - the majority of my patients are 30-50 years, many older. Probably 10 % are under 30.
Lastly of course, to paraphrase a well known saying, "do as I say now, because we 've all learnt from our previous mistakes."
 

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libertine said:
Lucky_UK ,your results are damn good and im pretty much in the same or slightly better situation you were pre hair transplant-defintely keeps Dr Feller high on my list of potential docs,congrats man :D

Thanks Libertine :)
 

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Nicely done doctor. I see hair transplant's like computer animation. Movies from 10-15 years ago look dated, and just imagine how good the new stuff will look in ten years.

hair transplant's for stars like Tom Hanks or Nicolas Cage looked obvious because that was the best out there back then.
 

haggis

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Any decent doctor that knew what he was doing could produce better scars than mine 20 years ago or more.
 

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Rambo said:
haggis , i too have been butchered ..Your hair looks pretty good compared to mine :( ..Its amazing how these snakes think they can get away with poor work..

Who said anything about rogers getting away with it.... if he thinks i'll just be posting a few messages on a website he is sadly mistaken :evil: :pissed: :snipersmilie: :freaked:
 

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That is a good idea, as i'm from the uk and still considering using Dr Rodgers. I have met with him before and was impressed enough, but financial circumstances prevented me booking the session.

He did not make any wild claims and showed pics of some of his recent work.

I understand that haggis is angry, i would be too but i have seen much worse hair transplants than his, some from around the same time as his and some years after.

Would you use Dr Rodgers today haggis?

Did you use any hairloss drugs after your transplant?
 

haggis

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Petchsky said:
That is a good idea, as i'm from the uk and still considering using Dr Rodgers. I have met with him before and was impressed enough, but financial circumstances prevented me booking the session.

He did not make any wild claims and showed pics of some of his recent work.

I understand that haggis is angry, i would be too but i have seen much worse hair transplants than his, some from around the same time as his and some years after.

Would you use Dr Rodgers today haggis?

Did you use any hairloss drugs after your transplant?

No i wouldnt use dr rogers again, not worth the risk and he's expensive.
ive been using finasteride/propecia since before i had any work done.

If i was you i would seriously consider flying over to the US or canada, the flight is only a small percentage of what you will spend on a hair transplant anyway.

And there is also a worry that Dr rogers may be associated with Dr kevin Hartley of the norton clinic.. http://www.clonemyhair.com/hairtransplantation/catalog/

Here is a recent dr rogers FUE transplant http://stophairlossnow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2654[/url]
 
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