Update: Follica's Presentation At The 2017 Aad Meeting

[hairblues]

They probably only trailed it on men - it doesn't mean it wouldn't work for women, too. There's no biological reason to believe the wounding response would be any different for women.

Yeah that sort of bummed me out so little for women to use--we don't have a good way to block DHT besides oral spironolactone and it has to be taken with Birth Control Pills for most of us--the 'higher risk' kinds which is a whole other problem side effects for a lot of us.

 

[donsf448]

Not really. The take home message was you need to go to a dermatologist to do this which we were not certain about. Secondly, obviously wound healing is the key for new hair. Derma rolling might be a good idea for the time being. At least we know something is being worked on. It's main focus is for men with androgenic alopecia so that means you, Sunchyme. You won't have to shave your head to do this. I certainly would not want to. And like everything else, you have to be patient because they want to make sure the modality is the best one for everyone including the FDA which means the United States might be the place you have to have the procedure first so you will have to travel here from the UK.

So they confirmed its a dermarolling treatment? I was always curious as to why there's no US-based research/science that tells people that dermarolling and wounding is legit, but I guess the American way is having some company raise investor money and go through a slow process to package and release it.

Did they say whether or not minoxidil is involved?

 

[nameless]

So they confirmed its a dermarolling treatment? I was always curious as to why there's no US-based research/science that tells people that dermarolling and wounding is legit, but I guess the American way is having some company raise investor money and go through a slow process to package and release it.

Did they say whether or not minoxidil is involved?

The answer to your question is in the previous posts in this same thread. There's only 4 pages so you should read them to get up to speed.

 

[Royaume]

They are in the early stages? WTF? 12 years and in the early stages? omg they must release this 2018... 2019 would be a tooooo late

 

[Royaume]

They may have been looking for that release date but it does not seem it will happen next year.

@DoctorHouse Could you please explain why you think that it does not seem that it will happen next year?

 

[DoctorHouse]

@DoctorHouse Could you please explain why you think that it does not seem that it will happen next year?

I asked him when it will be available? 5 years? 10 years? His answer was we don't know but we hope as soon as possible. How can you expect me to get a definitive date when he can't give me one. He said it depends on how fast the FDA approves it.

 

[Royaume]

I asked him when it will be available? 5 years? 10 years? His answer was we don't know but we hope as soon as possible. How can you expect me to get a definitive date when he can't give me one. He said it depends on how fast the FDA approves it.

As @occulus mentioned I also believe that it will be very soon. The website, the invitation for dermatologists, i just dont believe that it takes mlre than a year...

I was just concerned because I thought the CEO said that it will NOT be 2018 but thx for clarification, so it's possible that it will be 2018.

Imagine how cool it will be. 2018 Follica, Shiseido, Histogen AND BROtzu lotion!

 

[mr_robot]

Good points. I think it would be an ongoing treatment. He did mention this would be more synergistic with other treatments. Its all about wounding the scalp. I guess the chemicals involved will have to be some type of DHT blocker like a topical version of finasteride. You think wounding the scalp could make the hair more DHT resistant by altering its structure?

Nope, because any new hair will result from stem cells in the same area hence same non DHT resistant DNA.

 

[sadila]

Nope, because any new hair will result from stem cells in the same area hence same non DHT resistant DNA.

What if they use stem cells from DHT resistant area (back of the head) ?

 

[mr_robot]

What if they use stem cells from DHT resistant area (back of the head) ?

Eh? Are you sure you're not thinking about Replicel here?

 

[CharAblaze]

Look at what they are doing - naming the protocol and mocking up their pckaging, courting famous derms, switching on their website and social media presence. ?

It could just be initial hype to create potiantial audience which will employ their methods (derms).
Or it could just be another trick to attract more investors, Cotsarelis said in one of his interviews a few years ago that in order to develop a full blown treatment which turns a NW7 to NW1 will require 20$ million additional funds + he said that it is many years away.
Yes, my incompability with finasteride made me a pessimist.

 

[Royaume]

It could just be initial hype to create potiantial audience which will employ their methods (derms).
Or it could just be another trick to attract more investors, Cotsarelis said in one of his interviews a few years ago that in order to develop a full blown treatment which turns a NW7 to NW1 will require 20$ million additional funds + he said that it is many years away.
Yes, my incompability with finasteride made me a pessimist.

Was the picture of Cotsarelis big bald spot a joke or for real? I know that he a small bald spot but I think this new picture was just a joke with Photoshop right?

Otherwise this would be really hard... Siiting on a potential breakthrough in hair loss history and having an advanced hair loss problem...

 

[nameless]

Honestly, there's nothing to be learned from the "interview." They have no intention of revealing anything, and we shouldn't draw any conclusions from what they say. Instead, look at what they are doing - naming the protocol and mocking up their pckaging and devices, courting famous derms, switching on their website and social media presence. Does that sound like a company that is still researching? That doesn't know when or even if it will release? Contrast with the behavior of Replicel, Samumed, and Histogen - all companies that have completed Phase II. Do they have a brand name for their products? Do they have packaging, or dedicated websites?

I like what Follica is doing more than what Replicel, Samumed, or Histogen are doing. Replicel needs to add some of the recently discovered inductivity-preserving techniques to their protocol. And I did learn some things from Follica's recent interview and article. I feel more confidence in Follica now.

 

[Gone]

Yeah it seems like the created hair will require treatments still. Which would mean follica is far from a cure, just a foot in the door to get hair that you can then maintain.

If they're "working" (present participle tense) to make sure it doesn't create scar tissue... I don't know how to feel about that. They should already have that figured out by now.

 

[br1]

I cant't understand why a company would revamp their website, create logos, packages, etc.. being YEARS away from the market??

 

[mr_robot]

I cant't understand why a company would revamp their website, create logos, packages, etc.. being YEARS away from the market??

Well when your competitors look like they are moving forward, you need to show the guys who are paying the bills that you are doing something.

 

[Gone]

This must have been brought up before, but this Follica patent literally says the compound does not include minoxidil, but that it is a potassium-channel opener. Is there a reason people still think the compound might be minoxidil?

http://www.google.com/patents/EP2648676A1?cl=en

 

[nameless]

Well when your competitors look like they are moving forward, you need to show the guys who are paying the bills that you are doing something.

Nonsense.

 

[mr_robot]

Nonsense.

So what have they been doing for the last 12 years? Other than citing Indian minoxidil wounding studies...

 

[sunchyme1]

This must have been brought up before, but this Follica patent literally says the compound does not include minoxidil, but that it is a potassium-channel opener. Is there a reason people still think the compound might be minoxidil?

http://www.google.com/patents/EP2648676A1?cl=en

gone you have the most f*****g powerful avatar on this website

its like a black hole. did you mean to do this?

i cant help but feel f*****g hopeless looking at it