Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

[newbiemicroneedler]

Guys plz answer my speed question. Do you put the pen on fast speed or slow speed? And do you press it against your head or just let it hover?

 

[Moosey]

Guys plz answer my speed question. Do you put the pen on fast speed or slow speed? And do you press it against your head or just let it hover?

I dont like pens and dont know much about them. What i do know is that you shouldnt move it all over your head in smooth motions, or only very slowly. I have seen pictures of people who got real scars from it on their faces after professional needling treatments

 

[ToLGuy]

@Eazy12 Im aware you are a lonely depressed virgin, but why exactly do you put so much effort into convincing people that needling doesnt work.
Okay it doesnt work. Let people live in their happy delusion. Its better than whatever you are going through in life.

It's not that I don't believe in microneedling's efficacy, but as I have pointed out like 10 times before, trolly boy Eazy is right in one thing: almost every "success" story in this thread consists in some dude starting needling while also starting another proven treatment at the same time. I will say this once again: regardless if needling does or doesn't work, those instances SHOULD NOT be taken into account if the purpose of this thread is assessing the effect of microneedlimg. Anyone with a minimal understanding of basic statistics and experimental design should be aware of that. Yet, this thread has been flooded by this kind of accounts that shouldnt be used as evidence. Because of this I'd like to start another thread to only allow needling-only success cases (or cases in which minoxidil and finasteride is being used more than a year or so prior to needling).

There are like 2 instances which I do consider legitimate needling success cases, which includes number guy (the guy in the first page). However, 2 instances against several non-responders here doesn't give us a good picture of the overall response rates. But we would need a serious, more rigurous thread for reporting accurate numbers. This thread has become a mess.

 

[tressful11]

Have you got your hormones checked? What was your Norwood grade when you started?

dutasteride obviously f*****g works, thus proving DHT is a major key on this disease:

What further proof do you need than f*****g twins.

Of course, people still go bald on dutasteride. I saw a guy running an experiment consisting on being on dutasteride while taking shots of testosterone, he continued balding. So I suspect there's people out there with increased sensitivity for testosterone on the scalp for whatever the f*** reason, as well as the destruction caused on the scalp being too much for you to respond if you get too late (the point of all treatments is to halt hairloss, attempting to grow hair is in most cases delusion)

People who make comments like yours don't seem to understand science and statistics at all. 2 twins is an extremely small sample size. Just because it worked in one case doesn't mean it will work in millions of others. There are a lot of random variables that are out of people's control.
I might be still losing hair because of systematic inflammation or some other issue. Who knows?

Dr. Wrassman said this once on r/tressless - "I often tell my patients that taking treatments like finasteride and min is just fighting with your genetics. Over a long enough time scale, then genes eventually win"

Also, the dude taking testosterone wasn't losing hair because of test. Increased testosterone => Increased conversion of test to DHT => Increased DHT in the system. So, he was just negating the effect of dutasteride by pumping himself with test.

 

[tressful11]

@tressful I use peppermint oil in my mixture of oil. Along with saw pometto that is said to be a dht blocker. It's something I recommend you tinker with.

Thanks, will try. What are the ratios? concentration of peppermint?

 

[kiwi666]

Those using derma pens, on what speed are you running them on????????
I am using the slowest speed, I figured it would hurt less for one (tho I feel maybe fast speeds would hurt less?) and maybe the needles would penetrate better that way , but even at the lowest speed the needles go in and out so fast you cannot see the needles retracted at any point and it's as if the needles are hanging out all the time so when you place the pen on your scalp it's like hovering at a distance. I am wondering if the needles are going in properly or whether I should be pushing the pen against my skull harder to make sure they puncture the skin? I wish the pen could be switched to manual and the needles would only come out once when you press, this way you are sure it goes in. Is that what derma stamping is? Or is derma pen and derma stamping the same thing?

Dude learn to read. There’s literally HUNDREDS of repeats

That said I use derminator on fast at 1.75 every month.

And derminator on fast at 1.0 as many times per week as I can be bothered.

 

[jay kim]

Thanks, will try. What are the ratios? concentration of peppermint?

I use about 5%. Here is a list of all I mix with the oils.
Jojoba oil
Peppermint oil
Rosemary
Olive oil
Olive leafs oil
Castor oil
Coconut oil
DMSO
Valproic acid
Dimethyl
Stemyoxide
Tumeric
Menthyl
HairMetto
Miconzole

 

[Rudi]

It's not that I don't believe in microneedling's efficacy, but as I have pointed out like 10 times before, trolly boy Eazy is right in one thing: almost every "success" story in this thread consists in some dude starting needling while also starting another proven treatment at the same time. I will say this once again: regardless if needling does or doesn't work, those instances SHOULD NOT be taken into account if the purpose of this thread is assessing the effect of microneedlimg. Anyone with a minimal understanding of basic statistics and experimental design should be aware of that. Yet, this thread has been flooded by this kind of accounts that shouldnt be used as evidence. Because of this I'd like to start another thread to only allow needling-only success cases (or cases in which minoxidil and finasteride is being used more than a year or so prior to needling).

There are like 2 instances which I do consider legitimate needling success cases, which includes number guy (the guy in the first page). However, 2 instances against several non-responders here doesn't give us a good picture of the overall response rates. But we would need a serious, more rigurous thread for reporting accurate numbers. This thread has become a mess.

Am not sure if one can start a thread here that can be moderated. Otherwise you have no control who posts what. Then the thread becomes messy.
Also, the claim mild or hard rolling is subject to interpretation. I use 1mm roller every few weeks and press hard. I also intent to use a 0.25mm roller (also pressing hard) once a new topical reaches the market. I can't handle minoxidil.
Again..soft rolling means different things to different people.

I am just wondering..do you see progress with your frequent low depth rolling?
Can remember you changed your needling regimen a few weeks ago...

 

[Moosey]

It's not that I don't believe in microneedling's efficacy, but as I have pointed out like 10 times before, trolly boy Eazy is right in one thing: almost every "success" story in this thread consists in some dude starting needling while also starting another proven treatment at the same time. I will say this once again: regardless if needling does or doesn't work, those instances SHOULD NOT be taken into account if the purpose of this thread is assessing the effect of microneedlimg. Anyone with a minimal understanding of basic statistics and experimental design should be aware of that. Yet, this thread has been flooded by this kind of accounts that shouldnt be used as evidence. Because of this I'd like to start another thread to only allow needling-only success cases (or cases in which minoxidil and finasteride is being used more than a year or so prior to needling).

There are like 2 instances which I do consider legitimate needling success cases, which includes number guy (the guy in the first page). However, 2 instances against several non-responders here doesn't give us a good picture of the overall response rates. But we would need a serious, more rigurous thread for reporting accurate numbers. This thread has become a mess.

I understand that and completely agree with you. Im not someone who wants to live in delusion. What i dont like is people dismissing "proof" or anecdotal evidence as "lmao 3rd world shithole bro".
We have 4 studies done on needling:
One study shows that needling as a standalone treatment yielded better hair growth than minoxidil as a standalone treatment.
Another study showed that people who had zero success with finasteride+minoxidil after YEARS, started experiencing hair growth after weekly needling sessions.
Another study showed that adding needling to minoxidil, increases results by almost 500%.
Then theres a 4th study where (if im not mistaken) they chose participants who are on oral or topical drugs to combat hairloss but with unsatisfactory results.

I cant remember any specifics, but i know of atleast 4-5 cases on this forum where people got results from needling as a standalone treatment.
I understand needling isnt a miracle cure. But we have more things speaking for it, than against it. It has no side effects and it takes 20 minutes of your life once a week. Theres just no reason to come to these forums and preach against it like its a personal insult to your dignity, instead of just trying it out yourself. I can assure without a doubt that whoever this Eazy guy, he is a miserable person.

pictures showing the dark short hairs sprouting in my bald temple areas. Note these temples were completely slick bald. As bald as human skin can be. https://imgur.com/a/ySErGFg

 

[Moosey]

I use about 5%. Here is a list of all I mix with the oils.
Jojoba oil
Peppermint oil
Rosemary
Olive oil
Olive leafs oil
Castor oil
Coconut oil
DMSO
Valproic acid
Dimethyl
Stemyoxide
Tumeric
Menthyl
HairMetto
Miconzole

Nice, i have a similar mixture. I would recommend adding black currant oil to it.

 

[tzt]

end of the third week applying dermaroller 0.5mm every week + daily application of rosemary + this serum (Vitis vinifera oil + ginger officinale extract + polygonum multiflorum extract + panax ginseng extract) https://www.banggood.com/Y_F_M-Pure...p-1253437.html?rmmds=myorder&cur_warehouse=CN
the rosemay + serum started like month ago.


yesterday and mainly today i noticed a huge SHED and i'm f*****g scared i don't know what that does mean.

for info this week i had a huge stressful week but the shed is only happening in the TOP where i bald and the side are OK.

i ordered my dermapen from chine but my custum service in my coutry refuse it and send it back to CHINA. so this is why i didn't try 1 or 1.5 mm micronnedling.

 

[Moosey]

end of the third week applying dermaroller 0.5mm every week + daily application of rosemary + this serum (Vitis vinifera oil + ginger officinale extract + polygonum multiflorum extract + panax ginseng extract) https://www.banggood.com/Y_F_M-Pure...p-1253437.html?rmmds=myorder&cur_warehouse=CN
the rosemay + serum started like month ago.


yesterday and mainly today i noticed a huge SHED and i'm f*****g scared i don't know what that does mean.

for info this week i had a huge stressful week but the shed is only happening in the TOP where i bald and the side are OK.

i ordered my dermapen from chine but my custum service in my coutry refuse it and send it back to CHINA. so this is why i didn't try 1 or 1.5 mm micronnedling.

Its been 3 weeks and you are rolling, not stamping, with 0.5mm. I doubt theres anything happening to your hair.
Either way, shedding is completely normal dude. Calm down

 

[tzt]

Its been 3 weeks and you are rolling, not stamping, with 0.5mm. I doubt theres anything happening to your hair.
Either way, shedding is completely normal dude. Calm down

yes shedding is normal when i shed from all over the HEAD, top (where i bald) and sides (where hair is normal), but now i'm shedding as hell only from the top where i bold. this is why i'm panicking.

plus saying 0.5 will do nothing :

 

[Moosey]

yes shedding is normal when i shed from all over the HEAD, top (where i bald) and sides (where hair is normal), but now i'm shedding as hell only from the top where i bold. this is why i'm panicking.

plus saying 0.5 will do nothing :

That makes no sense man. You are needling the areas that are effected by hairloss. Why would you shed hair where you dont needle and dont apply any products to?
I dont understand your logic

 

[tzt]

That makes no sense man. You are needling the areas that are effected by hairloss. Why would you shed hair where you dont needle and dont apply any products to?
I dont understand your logic

in normal situation when person is balding his top hair is always shedding more then the sides. this is a normal situation.
for me sheeding this much can mean :
- my balding situation is progressing and my hair will be thinner in the TOP and microneedling didin't do nothing
- or shedding means the microneedling is working which i don't think this is the case.

this is why i'm panicking, the SHED that i got today is very huge.

 

[Me Vs DiffuseThinning]

Guys who keep track of their shedding obsessively have mental illness and no idea how male pattern baldness works. We shed hairs everyday. Male pattern baldness is when those shedded hairs don’t return with the same thickness months later.

 

[GrowPro]

The dumb autist thinks that everyone that doesn't align within his fairtale worldview of stopping baldness by sticking nails on your scalp repeatdly is now a f*****g Merck shill, imagine.

Once again, you dumb low IQ subhuman, I already explained how dutasteride with mesoteraphy seems like a safe way to go as it doesn't go systemic, so im going to try that next. This is higher on my priority list than f*****g around with having a constant inflammed scalp prone to infection, which from the evidence in this thread all that it is doing is increased minoxidil absorption anyway. I don't rule out WNT pathway benefits and I will do it myself once a month or so, however IT'S MORE IMPORTANT to decrease androgenic activity.

And AGAIN, you could use all the dermapens and rollers in the world, without decreasing 5AR and DHT you are going to bald you dumb f***.

The only way you could continue going back with 100% depletion of DHT is due high testosterone sensitivity, otherwise women would be going bald at the same rate as men you total pea size brain cuckold.

We all can play that f*****g card of posting studies of anything linking to cancer, including dermarolling:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21321199

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21321207

So there, have fun going bald by not inhibiting androgen activity on your scalp in ANDROGENETIC alopecia.

You poor pathetic low-life no-life trolling loser, get a life, move out of your grandparents basement, loose 300 pounds, stop hate-beating-off-because you can’t get it up (highly likely with a limp dead dick due to dutasteride guzzling) to thinking you sound smart or that your propaganda is being believed, NO ONE HERE BELIEVES YOUR LIES.

By the way how many accounts on here do you have now ya scumbag?

 

[GrowPro]

@Eazy12 Im aware you are a lonely depressed virgin, but why exactly do you put so much effort into convincing people that needling doesnt work.
Okay it doesnt work. Let people live in their happy delusion. Its better than whatever you are going through in life.

Because he/she is a paid troll with several user accounts to divert attention from all the successes guys are having and to flood this site with misinformation...

Who’s paying him/her? Follica? GlaxoSmithKline? Any of the Generic Pharma companies making/selling dutasteride? Bosley? Other hair transplant clinics?

But one thing is obvious no normal sane and mentally stable person would argue with strangers on a forum constantly pushing dutasteride and bashing a successful treatment like Microneedling, this person whom does is patently sick. Sad.

 

[Moosey]

in normal situation when person is balding his top hair is always shedding more then the sides. this is a normal situation.
for me sheeding this much can mean :
- my balding situation is progressing and my hair will be thinner in the TOP and microneedling didin't do nothing
- or shedding means the microneedling is working which i don't think this is the case.

this is why i'm panicking, the SHED that i got today is very huge.

You are needling your hairs, and those exact same hairs are shedding. There is nothing else i can tell you.
You said you shed more than usual. Which means its the needling thats doing it. And needling wont make you lose hair. Its shedding your hair because its working. Its been 3 weeks man. Calm the heck down and stop looking at your hair 10 times a day.

 

[GrowPro]

Guys plz answer my speed question. Do you put the pen on fast speed or slow speed? And do you press it against your head or just let it hover?

I use the pen and set it on medium speed and “stamp” the areas, I don’t glide the pen.