Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

[infinitepain]

Bashing a succesfull treatment like dermarolling...lel, you must be new here.
Dermaroll alone is a joke, there's stille nothing more efficient than the Big 3.

This is a trending thing now here to believe "alternative" treatments are the key, but you fools will never get big 3 results with dermaroll alone.
Even the Dhurat study was based on Minoxidil increased absortion.

@infinitepain is right, without 5ar as of today, you're already doomed on long term, even with minoxidil + dermaroll unfortunately.

I'm not saying finasteride is good, i'm just saying it works

The point is I never said dermarolling is completely useless, I just pointed out that without stopping androgens eating your follicles away you are wasting your f*****g time.

 

[infinitepain]

Because he/she is a paid troll with several user accounts to divert attention from all the successes guys are having and to flood this site with misinformation...

Who’s paying him/her? Follica? GlaxoSmithKline? Any of the Generic Pharma companies making/selling dutasteride? Bosley? Other hair transplant clinics?

But one thing is obvious no normal sane and mentally stable person would argue with strangers on a forum constantly pushing dutasteride and bashing a successful treatment like Microneedling, this person whom does is patently sick. Sad.

The skizo is back thinking I get paid for this. I wish I got paid to shitpost. And no, I never said dermarolling is completely useless, I said it's completely useless IF YOU DONT STOP ANDROGENS which is the #1 reason males go f*****g bald you air headed mong.

 

[infinitepain]

People who make comments like yours don't seem to understand science and statistics at all. 2 twins is an extremely small sample size. Just because it worked in one case doesn't mean it will work in millions of others. There are a lot of random variables that are out of people's control.
I might be still losing hair because of systematic inflammation or some other issue. Who knows?

Dr. Wrassman said this once on r/tressless - "I often tell my patients that taking treatments like finasteride and min is just fighting with your genetics. Over a long enough time scale, then genes eventually win"

Also, the dude taking testosterone wasn't losing hair because of test. Increased testosterone => Increased conversion of test to DHT => Increased DHT in the system. So, he was just negating the effect of dutasteride by pumping himself with test.

Eh how about the endless good results of finasteride/dutasteride all over the internet? Here's another twins case with 1 year dutasteride treatment. In this case the regrowth is even more telling as the guy was basically already bald as f***:

Dutasteride drops DHT to 90% levels because it decrease 5ar, it doesn't matter if test is raised, the f*** are you on about. The guy actually took blookworks and his lab came out at basically 0 DHT (too low to even capture at the lab). He was lossing hair most likely because of increased T due TRT thus proving T is still a factor in hairloss and perhaps some people are more sensitive to T than others.

 

[infinitepain]

Status update, guys.

Background Information:
-I´ve been on MINOXODIL AND FINASTERIDE for little more than 3 years (since March 2016) >> At first it gave me asmall boost but I quickly got back to baseline in months (normal story with minoxidil) and then more or less have mantained.

-I´ve been MICRONEEDLING with a dermapen every week with 2mm for 9 months (since November 2018) >> I´ve got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING at plain sight. Crown, which is the area I was aiming to restore the most, has got NOTHING.

In May of this year, I decided to make an experiment. I was going to try mild needling my right temple, while on the rest of my scalp I´d continue to needle weekly at 2mm (which havent produced visible results yet). I wanted to see what happens to my daily needled temple and test the idea that daily needling is better, worst or exactly the same as weekly needling.

I took a picture of my right temple, and I´d like you guys to tell me if you see any progression.
It was very hard for my to take the pictures in exactly the same angles, it is way harder than I imagined. At last, I didnt get perfectly equal angled pics, but I tried ro rotate them to make them comparable enough and also marked each picture with a red circle based upon the location of a small pimple I´ve had there. Focus on that reference point to assess the differences between those pics.

Those pics are 2.5 months apart. Top one is from May 7th, bottom one is today.

@Rudi I hope I can answer your question with this post.
@Bill_Russo I´d like to know your opinion on this as well, buddy.

Additionally, I´d like to post a picture of my left temple, the one that DID NOT get the daily needling regimen (it got the former weekly needling regimen instead as the rest of the scalp) for a fair comparison. However, I havent been able to take a fairly comparable pic of my current state (it always end up being in a way different angle and not focused enough). My cellphone camera is very tricky to use, but I will keep trying and when I get it done the right way I will post it ASAP.

Dude when you take progress pics, use your eyebrow as a standard measurement of hairline distance.

 

[infinitepain]

With hair transplants, the hair tends to regrow earlier in the frontal regions than in the back / crown. I believe this has to do with better blood circulation in the frontal regions.

It might be possible that a similar effect occurs with Microneedling, that the crown just takes longer to come back due to the same reason.

Then why do we bald faster on the hairline?

 

[Moosey]

Eh how about the endless good results of finasteride/dutasteride all over the internet? Here's another twins case with 1 year dutasteride treatment. In this case the regrowth is even more telling as the guy was basically already bald as f***:

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Dutasteride drops DHT to 90% levels because it decrease 5ar, it doesn't matter if test is raised, the f*** are you on about. The guy actually took blookworks and his lab came out at basically 0 DHT (too low to even capture at the lab). He was lossing hair most likely because of increased T due TRT thus proving T is still a factor in hairloss and perhaps some people are more sensitive to T than others.

Dutasteride is crazy strong. My friend had undetectable DHT levels with 2500 ng/dl test levels (steroid cycle) in his lab results.
Its always depressing to see that even with powerful drugs like dutasteride, the hair growth is kinda laughable for most people...

 

[Slid]

Am I the only one who doesnt bleed at all?Im using 1,5mm dermastamp and im pressing like an idiot and it just feels little uncomfortable and it doesnt bleed at all,i mean maybe some small spots but thats all.

 

[GrowPro]

Look at the little baldfag being mad that i have high DHT while no DHT on the scalp because of dutasteride mesotherapy. You wish to have my hair and huge c***, f*****.

It’s 1000% the case that the most hateful homophobes that need to resort to using the F word like its 1998, are they themselves homosexual.

Your mother should really have opted for an abortion when pregnant with you....just a pathetic loser of wretched piece of sh*t you are, no doubt.

 

[Mandar kumthekar]

Totally normal. Your hair will look and feel like sh*t for a few days.

Thanks bro!

 

[ToLGuy]

Dude when you take progress pics, use your eyebrow as a standard measurement of hairline distance.

That was impossible at that zoom level. I could have used my eyebrows by zooming out, but then the pics would lose the vellus hair details. I think the red spot does the work properly.

 

[polishkickbuttowski]

Look at the little baldfag being mad that i have high DHT while no DHT on the scalp because of dutasteride mesotherapy. You wish to have my hair and huge c***, f*****.

Are there any studies behind dutasteride mesotherapy it sounds interesting. I'll even take a bunch of testimonials where did you hear about this?
EDIT: I looked into it and there are studies behind it saying it's effective for hair loss and has no hormonal sides. How/ where do you do your mesotherapy? I wonder why this isn't much more common on hairloss forums.

 

[Moosey]

Am I the only one who doesnt bleed at all?Im using 1,5mm dermastamp and im pressing like an idiot and it just feels little uncomfortable and it doesnt bleed at all,i mean maybe some small spots but thats all.

I literally start crying if i stamp without a numbing cream. The pain is unbearable in the temple/hairline area, but for some reason its tolerable everywhere else.
Thats how most people start out. Later on you'll start bleeding like a pig

 

[baldlygoing]

I literally start crying if i stamp without a numbing cream. The pain is unbearable in the temple/hairline area, but for some reason its tolerable everywhere else.
Thats how most people start out. Later on you'll start bleeding like a pig

What numbing cream do you use? It's been unbearable for me too and I want to start using something.

 

[Moosey]

What numbing cream do you use? It's been unbearable for me too and I want to start using something.

I actually use a solution thats made for oral use: https://www.amazon.de/Xylocain-Pump...rds=lidocaine&qid=1563965818&s=gateway&sr=8-1
I mix 3-4ml of that with 1ml DMSO and let it sink into my scalp for 1hr
Any numbing cream is going to work actually. Just pick the one thats most popular on your amazon

 

[Liquidbanana]

Thanks to all the folks that replied to my novel of a post. I appreciate you drudging through it and responding so positively. And thanks to all the folks who liked it as well.

Given that nobody asked a single question probably means my post was thorough and clear, which was my intent. And since no one asked anything, I thought it prudent to perhaps add some tips or just bring in some insight from my personal experience.

Be aware though, I do not claim to be any sort of expert. I'm just like all of you. Dealing with hairloss on my own personal level. So listen to my advice, look back to my before and after pictures, and decide for yourself, what you should do.

These are tips for guys just starting out/considering it/or even guys who have had no success despite months of trying microneedling.

3 tips:

Tip 1: Wound/roll/pen/whatever HARD. This is very easy using a dermaroller. Just apply steady, firm pressure. Perhaps it is much harder using a pen or stamp. As I've read many users here do not draw blood while wounding. Wound HARD. Draw blood. The more sessions you do, the easier the blood will draw. And easier to wound more consistently. That stupid age old adage is prudent here; no pain, no gain.

Tip 2: Use a dermaroller. I know this latest study used dermapens. And while they may be fine products, I don't think they wound well enough to deliver consistent results to the multitude of people using them to regrow hair. A dermaroller is cheaper, by far. Easier to use. And faster to use. I roll very quickly. And alternate directions constantly. The whole process(and I cover a lot of ground, trust me), takes less than 10 mins(minus the 5 mins of warming the scalp with hot water).

Tip 3: Wether your roll, or stamp in order to wound, it might be prudent to buzz your hair down to a shorter length. It'll make wounding much easier and faster. No parting hair and doing small sections at a glacial pace. Wound fast and hard. Get it done with and live your life. And anyway, if you're suffering from hairloss, trust me, whatever kind of loss it is, you'll look better with a short buzz cut. Shorter hair more often than not hides thinner hair. And it's not forever. When you've attained the results you desire with microneedling, let it grow back.

Anyway, thanks again for reading. I'll be around, lurking in this thread, just browsing for more results to keep me determined and inspired. And I'll definitely be back at the 6 month mark with LOTS AND LOTS of before and after pictures. And again at the 1 years mark.

 

[Nexusv6]

Thanks to all the folks that replied to my novel of a post. I appreciate you drudging through it and responding so positively. And thanks to all the folks who liked it as well.

Given that nobody asked a single question probably means my post was thorough and clear, which was my intent. And since no one asked anything, I thought it prudent to perhaps add some tips or just bring in some insight from my personal experience.

Be aware though, I do not claim to be any sort of expert. I'm just like all of you. Dealing with hairloss on my own personal level. So listen to my advice, look back to my before and after pictures, and decide for yourself, what you should do.

These are tips for guys just starting out/considering it/or even guys who have had no success despite months of trying microneedling.

3 tips:

Tip 1: Wound/roll/pen/whatever HARD. This is very easy using a dermaroller. Just apply steady, firm pressure. Perhaps it is much harder using a pen or stamp. As I've read many users here do not draw blood while wounding. Wound HARD. Draw blood. The more sessions you do, the easier the blood will draw. And easier to wound more consistently. That stupid age old adage is prudent here; no pain, no gain.

Tip 2: Use a dermaroller. I know this latest study used dermapens. And while they may be fine products, I don't think they wound well enough to deliver consistent results to the multitude of people using them to regrow hair. A dermaroller is cheaper, by far. Easier to use. And faster to use. I roll very quickly. And alternate directions constantly. The whole process(and I cover a lot of ground, trust me), takes less than 10 mins(minus the 5 mins of warming the scalp with hot water).

Tip 3: Wether your roll, or stamp in order to wound, it might be prudent to buzz your hair down to a shorter length. It'll make wounding much easier and faster. No parting hair and doing small sections at a glacial pace. Wound fast and hard. Get it done with and live your life. And anyway, if you're suffering from hairloss, trust me, whatever kind of loss it is, you'll look better with a short buzz cut. Shorter hair more often than not hides thinner hair. And it's not forever. When you've attained the results you desire with microneedling, let it grow back.

Anyway, thanks again for reading. I'll be around, lurking in this thread, just browsing for more results to keep me determined and inspired. And I'll definitely be back at the 6 month mark with LOTS AND LOTS of before and after pictures. And again at the 1 years mark.

Thanks for the advices.

I have some questions:

Do you derma roll every week?
Do you apply minoxidil right after wounding?
Do you use some supplements?
Do you use some lotions or special shampoos?

 

[Liquidbanana]

Thanks for the advices.

I have some questions:

Do you derma roll every week?
Do you apply minoxidil right after wounding?
Do you use some supplements?
Do you use some lotions or special shampoos?

I dermaroll every week, yes.

I apply minoxidil right after washing off the blood after wounding. I apply twice a day, 7 days a week. I wash off minoxidil after 8 hours. Wait 8 hours(or sleep) then apply a second time. Wait 8 hours, wash it off. Rinse and repeat. Minoxidil foam by the way. Couldn't pay me to use that greasy liquid crap again.

No supplements that would affect this probably. Just fish oil and glucosamine/chondroitin for my joints to lessen dietary inflammation(my diet isn't great unfortunately).

No lotions. No special shampoos. Just Nizoral about 3/4 times a week. Usually after 2/3 days after a dermarolling session.

 

[baldlygoing]

I actually use a solution thats made for oral use: https://www.amazon.de/Xylocain-Pump...rds=lidocaine&qid=1563965818&s=gateway&sr=8-1
I mix 3-4ml of that with 1ml DMSO and let it sink into my scalp for 1hr
Any numbing cream is going to work actually. Just pick the one thats most popular on your amazon

I bought aspercreme on Amazon and didn’t help at all. Still using the no pain no gain approach lol.

 

[NarWhal7]

Thanks to all the folks that replied to my novel of a post. I appreciate you drudging through it and responding so positively. And thanks to all the folks who liked it as well.

Given that nobody asked a single question probably means my post was thorough and clear, which was my intent. And since no one asked anything, I thought it prudent to perhaps add some tips or just bring in some insight from my personal experience.

Be aware though, I do not claim to be any sort of expert. I'm just like all of you. Dealing with hairloss on my own personal level. So listen to my advice, look back to my before and after pictures, and decide for yourself, what you should do.

These are tips for guys just starting out/considering it/or even guys who have had no success despite months of trying microneedling.

3 tips:

Tip 1: Wound/roll/pen/whatever HARD. This is very easy using a dermaroller. Just apply steady, firm pressure. Perhaps it is much harder using a pen or stamp. As I've read many users here do not draw blood while wounding. Wound HARD. Draw blood. The more sessions you do, the easier the blood will draw. And easier to wound more consistently. That stupid age old adage is prudent here; no pain, no gain.

Tip 2: Use a dermaroller. I know this latest study used dermapens. And while they may be fine products, I don't think they wound well enough to deliver consistent results to the multitude of people using them to regrow hair. A dermaroller is cheaper, by far. Easier to use. And faster to use. I roll very quickly. And alternate directions constantly. The whole process(and I cover a lot of ground, trust me), takes less than 10 mins(minus the 5 mins of warming the scalp with hot water).

Tip 3: Wether your roll, or stamp in order to wound, it might be prudent to buzz your hair down to a shorter length. It'll make wounding much easier and faster. No parting hair and doing small sections at a glacial pace. Wound fast and hard. Get it done with and live your life. And anyway, if you're suffering from hairloss, trust me, whatever kind of loss it is, you'll look better with a short buzz cut. Shorter hair more often than not hides thinner hair. And it's not forever. When you've attained the results you desire with microneedling, let it grow back.

Anyway, thanks again for reading. I'll be around, lurking in this thread, just browsing for more results to keep me determined and inspired. And I'll definitely be back at the 6 month mark with LOTS AND LOTS of before and after pictures. And again at the 1 years mark.

Agree with this, mostly. I don't think you NEED to draw blood, I only draw small blood spots and one time in a year did I actually have a lot of blood.
Shorter haircut definitely hides thinner hair. My hair grows out now but I have thinning still which is way more visible when its longer. The damn biotin and whatever else makes me need haircuts every 3 weeks max. Never thought I'd have this problem lol.

Also, for those thinning, Toppik is a nice product. Just started using some to help me through a shed and I really like the product. Hopefully won't have to use it that much though

 

[Moosey]

I bought aspercreme on Amazon and didn’t help at all. Still using the no pain no gain approach lol.

I dont know that one. Just buy a creme that has lidocaine in it. Wash your hair with shampoo and dry it. Apply the creme, rub it in and let it sink in for 1 hour minimum. Wash it off with shampoo again.
It works, but the pain comes back very quickly once the skin is wounded. Meaning, i can needle one piece of skin not more than 2-3 times before the pain comes back. But thats all i need.