What Happens To All The Young Baldies

[Crystalclear12]

That mass gain stuff is sold to serious bodybuilders and advocated by serious bodybuilders. The diet I linked to was advocated to me by a serious bodybuilder.

Body fat is not relevant to the discussion, it can be shifted up and down nearly independently of muscle.

However if you're already fit you can't gain 10 lbs of muscle as you might be near your genetic potential. You can only gain 10 lbs of muscle in your first year.

Dude...bodybuilders put their name on mass gainers so the product sells. It's garbage. No professional bodybuilder actually takes those mass gainers. Trust me I've been around this for a while lol. They take lean whey and get the rest of their macros from food... especially since 99.99% of famous bodybuilder you're referring to are on steroids, which solidifies my point in which they don't even need mass gainers lol. Seriously this is one discussion that you simply can't one up me because it doesn't matter what you read on the internet, I live this life bro. Do you want to see a pic?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Dude...bodybuilders put their name on mass gainers so the product sells. It's garbage. No professional bodybuilder actually takes those mass gainers. Trust me I've been around this for a while lol. They take lean whey and get the rest of their macros from food... especially since 99.99% of famous bodybuilder you're referring to are on steroids, which solidifies my point in which they don't even need mass gainers lol. Seriously this is one discussion that you simply can't one up me because it doesn't matter what you read on the internet, I live this life bro. Do you want to see a pic?

Whatever your physique, there are guaranteed to be people with better physiques following different strategies.

"I'll show you my pics" is not a good argument and it demonstrates your lack of understanding on the issue.

It comes down to science. The human body is a machine.

 

[Crystalclear12]

Whatever your physique, there are guaranteed to be people with better physiques following different strategies.

"I'll show you my pics" is not a good argument and it demonstrates your lack of understanding on the issue.

It comes down to science. The human body is a machine.

Ok. You say it's about science yet you're posting unaccredited, basically publicity ads lmao. Lean mass is measured by increase and decreases in bf% that's the easiest way to self monitor. You can not gain 10lbs of lean, not marbalized, muscle in 1 year. Show me accredited scientific studies proving that. You're probably a small personal trainer. Those are the best. They take a few classes and think they know it all but their body mimics someone that just got off the couch.

 

[Crystalclear12]

As soon as u brought up mass gainers, that proves you know nothing of the topic bro trust me. Mass gainers is literally elementary.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Ok. You say it's about science yet you're posting unaccredited, basically publicity ads lmao. Lean mass is measured by increase and decreases in bf% that's the easiest way to self monitor. You can not gain 10lbs of lean, not marbalized, muscle in 1 year. Show me accredited scientific studies proving that. You're probably a small personal trainer. Those are the best. They take a few classes and think they know it all but their body mimics someone that just got off the couch.

You've learned a lot of inaccurate broscience.

I recommend BayesianBodybuilding as an upgrade, they're a much more scientifically literate source and they're not repeating 1990s-era claims as you are.

Here's a counterexample to your false beliefs, with documentation:
Here’s an example of one of my clients that had over 20 years of training experience and was already benching 235 lb (107 kg) for 5 reps before the coaching. He performed a DXA scan every ~3 weeks during my coaching. In 2 months and 18 days, he lost 6.7 lb (3.1 kg) of fat while gaining almost exactly the same amount of muscle. His weight during the last scan was within 8 grams of his weight when we started. So this is an example of virtually perfect body recomposition. You can find the anonymized DXA scan overview here and his progress photos below.
http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/gain-muscle-and-lose-fat-at-the-same-time/

The article is filled with evidence in various contexts.

The old belief that fat and muscle have to vary together, which you subscribe to, is refuted.

 

[Crystalclear12]

You've learned a lot of inaccurate broscience.

I recommend BayesianBodybuilding as an upgrade, they're a much more scientifically literate source and they're not repeating 1990s-era claims as you are.

Here's a counterexample to your false beliefs, with documentation:
Here’s an example of one of my clients that had over 20 years of training experience and was already benching 235 lb (107 kg) for 5 reps before the coaching. He performed a DXA scan every ~3 weeks during my coaching. In 2 months and 18 days, he lost 6.7 lb (3.1 kg) of fat while gaining almost exactly the same amount of muscle. His weight during the last scan was within 8 grams of his weight when we started. So this is an example of virtually perfect body recomposition. You can find the anonymized DXA scan overview here and his progress photos below.
http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/gain-muscle-and-lose-fat-at-the-same-time/

The article is filled with evidence in various contexts.

The old belief that fat and muscle have to vary together, which you subscribe to, is refuted.

Lmao..dude I don't think you get it... I don't follow someone else's bodybuilding plan. I have my own. I've been working out for 8 years and competitively for 6. If I showed you pictures you would sh*t, I don't like to throw that out there but there's no other way to prove. You just posted another workout routine based on someone who is advertising their workout regimen. We aren't even on the same level lol.

 

[Crystalclear12]

You've learned a lot of inaccurate broscience.

I recommend BayesianBodybuilding as an upgrade, they're a much more scientifically literate source and they're not repeating 1990s-era claims as you are.

Here's a counterexample to your false beliefs, with documentation:
Here’s an example of one of my clients that had over 20 years of training experience and was already benching 235 lb (107 kg) for 5 reps before the coaching. He performed a DXA scan every ~3 weeks during my coaching. In 2 months and 18 days, he lost 6.7 lb (3.1 kg) of fat while gaining almost exactly the same amount of muscle. His weight during the last scan was within 8 grams of his weight when we started. So this is an example of virtually perfect body recomposition. You can find the anonymized DXA scan overview here and his progress photos below.
http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/gain-muscle-and-lose-fat-at-the-same-time/

The article is filled with evidence in various contexts.

The old belief that fat and muscle have to vary together, which you subscribe to, is refuted.

This guy uses examples of the average gym goer, not bodybuilders as you constantly refer to. Right in your quote it says "he could bench 235lb" I could bench 235 in high school...

 

[Crystalclear12]

Not explicitly verboten as such but definitely a faux pas in certain parts of the business. You will get short-listed for firing if they let people go. I have after many years in my industry never seen a single NW2+ entry-level employee. 90% are perfect NW1s. You probably won't find anyone that says it matters but if it doesn't then why do they not hire any bald guys?

Anyway @Crystalclear12 says he has lurked this forum for years but apparently he hasn't picked up much. He is just repeating the same boring arguments that dozens of others have made before him. Get ripped, bic and tan, it's all in your confidence. Urgh.

What's funny is that not a single one of these posters has been living proof of what they claim is true. None of them have actually been bald and successful with women as a single man. It's always 1) they have hair, 2) they're bald, single and not getting laid, 3) they're bald and getting laid but in a committed relationship with somebody they met while having hair.

The bald guys who have actually been successful usually have a balanced viewpoint and acknowledge their disadvantage, like @WhitePolarBear and Marco.

This guy is a NW2.5, not even noticeable hair loss to most women, and to top it off he's married. LOL at him claiming he's "slaying".

I quintupled my partner count with a ridiculous elaborate combover yet women supposedly hate that for some reason and would prefer me bald.

What a waste of space. To those on the fence; I urge you to actually observe the lives of the bald men around you. That's what I did and it made a pretty convincing case for keeping my hair.

What industry are you in? Hair doesn't matter. Looks matter in business. If you're ugly and bald yes youre going to have a hard time in the business world. If you're attractive and bald, you won't. It's the whole package.

You say i repeat claims of others to get ripped, and bic your head. Ok I shouldn't do that. People should just have a pitty party and cry about balding to each other. I'm sorry but that's a personality trait. Misery loves company. I would never let the opinions of others ruin me life. If I go bald I'll bic my head. And I'm married, men aren't meant to be with one woman though. The way you talk about hairloss is literally pathetic. You care that much about what others think to let it ruin you. A clean shaven, in shape, tan, man in a suit, gives off a professional confident vibe.

 

[Crystalclear12]

Maybe in your accounting department it doesn't matter.

Like I said, I have never seen a NW2+ entry-level employee in my company. Certain departments have zero bald men in maybe 40-50 employees. Thinning hair, recession? Yes. Slick bald? Zero. Other posters here in the same industry (pm me if you want specifics) have said to me they've experienced the same thing. None of your in-shape, tan, confidently vibing men are being hired, at least not where I work.

The thing is, you're not bald. You still have a good head of hair and reap the benefits daily of how it elevates your appearance and others' interest in you. What I see from bald men I encounter is that they're essentially invisible. They attract very little interest socially or from the opposite sex and lose the tailwind in their daily lives. They are forced to "brute force" life, essentially, compensating with massive effort to get what others without their singular, defining flaw can pick up without even trying. Thus you see bald men working out obsessively, wearing elaborate, fitted clothing, tanning to an orange glow, and the net result still falls short of a few thousand strains of hair extra on their heads.

The right approach is to hold on as long as possible with medications/transplants, and then buzz when it really gets too bad. Hair is precious and the rabbit hole goes deep when it comes to all the different effects it has on how people perceive and treat you.

I work for a firm in the big 10 and there a few clean shaven men, but many buzzed down Norwood 3/4/5s. What do you think balding men just don't get jobs, please. Maybe you need to move and join me on planet earth. Yes I'm not bald so I can only assume, but I see many bald men at my gym and they get a lot of woman. They are still attractive. Again, if you're ugly and bald, you're screwed. If you're attractive and buzzed/bald, you're just less attractive than you once were. My point is this site is terrible for people. You guys are legit coming here complaining and you're actually making the situation bigger and more detrimental than it actually is. It's just hair! To say someone who has a buzzed head, say Norwood 4, decent face, in shape man won't get a job is pure insanity. There are soooooooooo many balding men after 30, look around.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Lmao..dude I don't think you get it... I don't follow someone else's bodybuilding plan. I have my own. I've been working out for 8 years and competitively for 6. If I showed you pictures you would sh*t, I don't like to throw that out there but there's no other way to prove. You just posted another workout routine based on someone who is advertising their workout regimen. We aren't even on the same level lol.

I wouldn't give a sh*t about your pictures.

And no, I wasn't advertising a regimen.

 

[Crystalclear12]

I wouldn't give a sh*t about your pictures.

And no, I wasn't advertising a regiment.

Not you... that regimen is an advertisement lol. That site is advertising their product smdh

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Not you... that regimen is an advertisement lol. That site is advertising their product smdh

Your reading comprehension is very low.

I suggested bayesian bodybuilding for what they offer for free, not for what they sell. They review issues of body composition, nutrient timing, etc. from a scientific point of view. For example they have a great article refuting the myth that you need to eat 1 gram of protein per day per pound of body weight.

Unless you show an ability to get the point, I'll stop responding to you.

 

[Crystalclear12]

Your reading comprehension is very low.

I suggested bayesian bodybuilding for what they offer for free, not for what they sell. They review issues of body composition, nutrient timing, etc. from a scientific point of view. For example they have a great article refuting the myth that you need to eat 1 gram of protein per day per pound of body weight.

Unless you show an ability to get the point, I'll stop responding to you.

Are the dense??? That entire site is built around marketing their product!!! Don't reproduce!!!

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Are the dense??? That entire site is built around marketing their product!!! Don't reproduce!!!

They have good articles and I'll link them whenever I consider it appropriate.

Do you know what "Bayesian" means?

Hint: It's a way of thinking.

 

[Crystalclear12]

The point wasn't that you can't get a job, it's that there are some jobs which you can't get. Usually these are prestigious, well-paid, client-facing positions. You'll find plenty of slick studs shoveling Ethernet cables and doing the books.

Same with women. You can get laid but the women are older, less attractive and fatter on average. You have to commit sooner and the power dynamic in the relationship will be skewed in her favor.

For the most part, this site promotes a healthy realism about baldness and what it does to your life. Denying it doesn't help, it only makes matters worse.

I'm in auditing, I deal with clients on the daily... I'm not in the back with the books... and no this site is a pitty party for people to cry about going bald. Nothing beats an attractive face. I don't know what world you live in. I'd rather be bald with a good looking face than a full head of hair and ugly, any day of the week. Your view of bald men is legit sad. So far from the truth. I honestly just think you're depressed.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I'd rather be bald with a good looking face than a full head of hair and ugly, any day of the week.

False dichotomy.

 

[Crystalclear12]

They have good articles and I'll link them whenever I consider it appropriate.

Do you know what "Bayesian" means?

Hint: It's a way of thinking.

Dude seriously just stop talking. If you can't see that that's a marketing website to sell their workout plans you're a f***in idiot, I'm sorry. I really can't argue with stupid people, it's draining. You can't use any piece of data from a website that sells a product linking to that so called data, how don't you get that?

 

[Crystalclear12]

False dichotomy.

How?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I really can't argue with stupid people

I'm an internationally-recognized leader in my field.

You?

Thought so.

As for your moronic comment, yes, we can read articles from companies that sell things. For example we read hair loss articles on this site, this same site which has helped sell things in the past and may sell them in the future. You just have to read the articles properly. That article itself was not advertising any specific proteins, supplements, or routines. You misunderstood it, which is par for the course with you.

How?

This is a good example.

Do you actually not see how nice hair and nice hair are not mutually exclusive? Seriously?

Seriously?

It's because they're separate things. You can have a nice face or a bad one, and you can have hair or not have hair. Nobody ever has one at the expense of the other. And everybody is better off having both a nice face and a nice head of hair.

 

[Crystalclear12]

I have a bachelors degree in joint honours mathematics and physics, a PhD in astrophysics, and am now working at one of the world's top 20 research institutes. I'm an internationally-recognized leader in my field and have written three invited review papers.

You?

Thought so.

As for your moronic comment, yes, we can read articles from companies that sell things. For example we read hair loss articles on this site, this same site which has helped sell things in the past and may sell them in the future. You just have to read the articles properly. That article itself was not advertising any specific proteins, supplements, or routines. You misunderstood it, which is par for the course with you.


This is a good example.

Do you actually not see how nice hair and nice hair are not mutually exclusive? Seriously?

Seriously?

It's because they're separate things. You can have a nice face or a bad one, and you can have hair or not have hair. Nobody ever has one at the expense of the other. And everybody is better off having both a nice face and a nice head of hair.

I'm sorry when I was scanning your credentials I missed the part that was linked to anything we are talking about.. that site is using new studies and the blog to promote their workout regimen which uses the so called new data... you. Are. Dumb. And arrange as hell when it comes to this topic. You read things on the internet and pass them off as fact.

And wtf are you talking about, again, going into left field. I said I would rather have a nice face and be bald than have a full head of hair and be ugly... THATS IT. That's perfectly comparable. Seriously you're a joke pulling those credentials lmao have nothing to do with what we're talking about what so ever. I'm not getting into my credentials because I'm not... f***ing pathetic lol.