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HairFarmer

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Interesting article:


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Adjudications : By Code Clause (All):
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Healthtec UK Ltd t/a Tower Health

Tower House
32 Musters Road
West Bridgford
Nottingham
NG2 7PL

Date: 6th August 2003

Media: National press

Sector: Health and beauty

Industry Complaint From: London


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Complaint:
Advanced Hair Studio objected to a national press advertisement headlined "Prevent Hair Loss and regain a thicker, fuller head of hair". It stated " ... Tower Health can provide information and products from all over the world and are able to offer treatments using the latest technology and medical advancements. NO TRANSPLANTS NO SURGERY NO EXPENSIVE CONSULTATIONS Ask about the only clinically proven and approved hairloss [sic] lotion to stimulate new growth ... We can tell you about the world's first hand held laser treatment approved to regrow hair without the expense incurred by attending clinics ... Ask about our natural product range including the top selling pharmacy supplement from Scandinavia. Whatever the extent of your hair loss, we have the expertise to offer free advice on solutions that really work". It featured two photographs titled "BEFORE" and "AFTER". Underneath the photographs was text that stated "This is achievable without spending thousands of pounds". The complainants, who believed the advertisers sold only a Vitapharm product, challenged:

1. the claim "Prevent Hair Loss and regain a thicker, fuller head of hair";

2. the claim "the only clinically proven and approved hairloss lotion to stimulate new growth";

3. whether the advertisement implied that the advertised treatment had results similar to those of transplants, surgery or proper consultation;

4. the implication that the hand-held laser treatment was available from the advertisers and

5. whether hand-held laser treatment had the same effect as laser treatment available from clinics.

Codes Section: 3.1, 7.1, 17.1, 17.2, 17.3, 50.1, 50.26 (Ed 10)
Adjudication:
The advertisers asserted that they had withdrawn the advertisement and would consult the Committee of Advertising Practice (CAP) Copy Advice team before placing future advertisements.

1. Complaint upheld
The advertisers explained that the claim "Prevent Hair Loss" referred to treatment with minoxidil and the claim "regain a thicker, fuller head of hair" referred to treatment with Mediko (manufactured by Vitapharm) and Nourkrin. They asserted that minoxidil was clinically proven to stimulate new growth and prevent hair loss; they believed the Authority was already aware of that. The advertisers asserted that, although they had planned to sell minoxidil, they had had no sales. They stated that future advertisements would not refer to minoxidil. The Authority noted minoxidil had been proven to retard hair loss in some men, not prevent hair loss. It considered that, because Nourkrin and Mediko had cosmetic effects only, the claim "regain a thicker, fuller head of hair" was not justified. The Authority was concerned that the claim "Prevent Hair Loss" referred to a product that the advertisers could not prove they had plans to sell. The Authority considered that both parts of the claim were not justified and welcomed the advertisers' assurance that the advertisement had been withdrawn. The Authority advised the advertisers to ensure the accuracy of all claims in future.

2. Complaint upheld
The advertisers stated that the claim referred to minoxidil; they believed the Authority was aware that minoxidil was the only clinically proven lotion to stimulate new growth. The advertisers stated that, although they had planned to sell minoxidil, they had had no sales. They stated that future advertisements would not refer to minoxidil. The Authority acknowledged that minoxidil was the only clinically proven lotion to stimulate new growth. It was concerned, however, that the claim referred to a product that the advertisers could not prove they had plans to sell. The Authority welcomed the advertisers' statement that future advertisements would not refer to minoxidil.

3. Complaint upheld
The advertisers asserted that the advertisement merely informed consumers that products were available for those who did not want expensive consultations, transplants or surgery. The Authority considered that consumers were likely to infer that the advertisers' treatments had results similar to those of transplants, surgery or proper consultation. Because the advertisers had not shown that they did, the Authority concluded that the advertisement was misleading. It welcomed the advertisers' assurance that the advertisement had been withdrawn and that they would consult the CAP Copy Advice team before placing future advertisements.

4. Complaint upheld
The advertisers asserted that the hand-held laser treatment, the Hairmax Laser Comb, used to be available to consumers but they no longer had access to stock; they stated that they directed enquiries about the hand-held laser treatment to a U.S. website. The advertisers stated that the "BEFORE" and "AFTER" photographs referred to treatment with the Laser Comb. The Authority noted the advertisers could not show that they sold the Laser Comb; it was concerned that the advertisement referred to a treatment that the advertisers did not provide. The Authority welcomed the advertisers' assurance that the advertisement had been withdrawn and told them to ensure the accuracy of future advertisements.

5. Complaint upheld
The advertisers stated that they had intended to imply that hair growth could be achieved without going to clinics, not that the hand-held laser treatment gave the same results as laser treatment available from clinics. The advertisers sent a copy of the Laser Comb Medical Device Licence issued by the Therapeutic Products Directorate of Canada and the results of a Laser Comb clinical study that had been conducted by the manufacturers; the advertisers asserted that the study showed the Laser Comb's effectiveness. The Authority considered that the advertisers' evidence did not show that the hand-held laser treatment had the same effect as laser treatment available at clinics. It was concerned, moreover, that the advertisement included claims for a treatment that the advertisers could not show that they sold. The Authority welcomed the advertisers' assurance that the advertisement had been withdrawn and that they would consult the CAP Copy Advice team before placing future advertisements.
 

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interesting article, hairfarmer. These clincs are in australia i believe, correct? thats where the lasercomb technology comes from. I dont know why they havent brought their clinics here; a legit laser therapy clinic would make so much money here in the U.S...

Then again, i dont see to many users on this site who use the comb. Ive only seen a small handful of users say they use it. what about you, hairfamer, have you tried it yet? I'm curious, cause ive heard mixed results, and for no more than $650 for many year's worth of proven treatment, the results would have to be rather mediocre for it not to have caught on.
 

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silkeysmooth said:
interesting article, hairfarmer. These clincs are in australia i believe, correct? thats where the lasercomb technology comes from. I dont know why they havent brought their clinics here; a legit laser therapy clinic would make so much money here in the U.S...

Then again, i dont see to many users on this site who use the comb. Ive only seen a small handful of users say they use it. what about you, hairfamer, have you tried it yet? I'm curious, cause ive heard mixed results, and for no more than $650 for many year's worth of proven treatment, the results would have to be rather mediocre for it not to have caught on.

I've read up on this product quite a bit and i'm always on the look out for new solutions. I've read more reports about it helping to thicken the follicle rather than regrowing hair from the scalp. I will most likely not try it unless the price drops dramatically. I can't justify the hefty price for something that just might look cool in the dark.

Another thing that crossed my mind was an idea that would be 100 times cheaper. Why not snag a laser pointer from walmart ($6) and start aiming it up & down the hairline. Wouldn't this essentially do the same good? I will research this and see what exactly makes the laser comb unique. Otherwise i'll hollow out a brush, attach 6 laser pens and make my own prototype.

Heres how my laser comb would look =)
1 Cheap Hairbrush
6 Laser tips
Named Brush because we all know what a comb is...

Hairfarmer%20ad.jpg
 

silkeysmooth

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Hahah, you and tynan man, you do amazing things with photoshop.

It sounds like the lasercomb would be perfect for diffuse thinning, if it really is so efficient at increasing hair thickness.
Im not sure if im diffusing though. Ive definitely lost some at the crown, but the hair on the top of my head is so thin; it could be natural, but the hair at the back is just so strong, that if all my hair was like that, i would never complain about anything again.

Sorry for the rant. Heres a link to some stuff about clinical studies of the lasercomb:
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/066 ... dward%20(I)
 

HairFarmer

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It might work...

I don't want to slam it without trying it..but then again i'm not gonna fork over 7 bills


Images of Edward Norton?
 

silkeysmooth

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oops...
ok before you all go thinking i have some sort of man-crush on edward norton, i had forgotten to copy this link before i pasted:

http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/newsletter/ ... =0&thold=0

The reason i had the ed norton link was cause on some other hair site, someone was trying to convince people norton was losing his hair. But this article about the comb makes it sound very promising. Again, sorry about the 'confusion', dont listen to any of the rumors im not gay.
 

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Silkysmooth, I use the Laser Comb on a regular basis and have for over the last two years. Although the price tag was on the upper limit of something that I could afford to help my hair out, MHO it is worth it. I'm also soon going to be adding Propecia to my regimen.

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Did you guys know about this I didn't, it is also approved in Singapore!!!!


The HairMax LaserComb, manufactured by Lexington International LLC, is a breakthrough personal device for delivering the healthy, nourishing effects of Low Level Laser Therapy (LLLT) to hair. LLLT uses the stimulating effects of laser light in the natural, scientific process known as PhotoBioStimulation to also improve the quality and thickness of hair.

Based on appropriate scientific information and clinical data submitted to Health Canada, and after examination of all data submitted, Medical Device License Number 61237 was granted to Lexington International allowing the following therapeutic claims to be made to the Canadian public.

-The HairMax LaserComb increases the strength of scalp hair in men and women.
-The HairMax LaserComb prevents scalp hair loss in men and women.
-The HairMax LaserComb causes regrowth of scalp hair in men and women.

“This is significant news and a medical milestone as the HairMax LaserComb is the first ever medical device for home use approved by any government to combat hair loss, especially for both men and womenâ€
 

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Damn. I really need a few more testimonials from people on gourmetstylewellness.com in order for me to fork over 500-700 dollars. But it is the price of the comb thats keeping ppl from trying it. I am on the big 3, but i want to add a gimmicky component to my regimen (Oz brew and/or hairmax comb). what to do
 

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I would like to weigh in here. I have built a home made laser brush and I am presently using it and have been since mid-December.

My perception is that it is helping with hair growth, but not dramatically. If you would like to read about it then go hairloss help and look in the experimental section. Post is titled ' Made My Own Laserbrush $35'.

I will not post a direct link to another hairloss site as it is my impression that is considered inappropriate. I am too lazy to repost all the info here. The post discusses how I made it, a parts list and how I am testing it. Also two other posters have made different versions, they also have photo albums of how they made theirs.

I will post a link to my photo album on yahoo showing four shots of my 'Rube Goldberg' device. Does it work, not sure yet but for $35 I didn't stick my neck out that far financially. All I ask is if you make one you give us feed back on your progress. Lastly, I am not responsible for whatever may happen as a result of you using this including any injuries during construction.:lol:

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/d_umberly/my_photos
 

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d_umberly said:
I would like to weigh in here. I have built a home made laser brush and I am presently using it and have been since mid-December.

My perception is that it is helping with hair growth, but not dramatically. If you would like to read about it then go hairloss help and look in the experimental section. Post is titled ' Made My Own Laserbrush $35'.

I will not post a direct link to another hairloss site as it is my impression that is considered inappropriate. I am too lazy to repost all the info here. The post discusses how I made it, a parts list and how I am testing it. Also two other posters have made different versions, they also have photo albums of how they made theirs.

I will post a link to my photo album on yahoo showing four shots of my 'Rube Goldberg' device. Does it work, not sure yet but for $35 I didn't stick my neck out that far financially. All I ask is if you make one you give us feed back on your progress. Lastly, I am not responsible for whatever may happen as a result of you using this including any injuries during construction.:lol:

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/d_umberly/my_photos



I would be very careful with doing this and you might be wasting your time. I just read a discussion the other day on hairmaxlasercomb.com about building your own lasercomb. The makers of the comb insist that this will not work. They use a special kind of laser, not the kind you can simply pick up at Walmart, which creates the "photo-bio-stimulation" which makes the thing work. If you go to the site and click on the forums link you can read all about this. I don't remember the exact details, but check it out.
 

d_umberly

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I would be very careful with doing this and you might be wasting your time. I just read a discussion the other day on hairmaxlasercomb.com about building your own lasercomb. The makers of the comb insist that this will not work. They use a special kind of laser, not the kind you can simply pick up at Walmart, which creates the "photo-bio-stimulation" which makes the thing work. If you go to the site and click on the forums link you can read all about this. I don't remember the exact details, but check it out.
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Thanks Viperfish,

I will check out what they have to say of course. However, I would be shocked if they said "great idea", I wouldn't if I were in their place. As far as careful goes I am semi-retired and have a lot of time to waste. Also I do not believe that a class 3A laser is the least bit dangerous from all I have read, unless you point it directly into your eyes for an extended period.

Oh for your information the laser I used is not from Wal-Mart it is an idustrial class 3A laser if that matters. I did a lot of reaseach on this, and even looked at their patent, the strength and wave length of their laser is as read from the required warning label on all laser devices, even the simple pointers must carry this information, while my device is rated at 5mw<and 650nm and theirs is 4.5mw and 655 I have problem believing that this is significant.

Perhaps it is. Do you have the LaserComb (tm)? I think you have said so in past posts, if so would you like to read the warning label and confirm or deny those figures I just quoted. They were taken from a PDF file of instructions on use of the HairMax LaserComb (tm).

I also have read a great deal about LLLT (cold lasers), which is the reason I decided to drop a whopping 35 USD to experiment. Plus the fact that I am a self confessed tinker. I open everything up I buy its a damn compulsion, I have to see what makes it tick, drives my wife crazy.

I have no desire to sell my "Rube Goldberg Laser Brushes" (not a tm), if you want one you will have to make it yourself or shell out $645 for the LaserComb (tm).
 

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Yes I do have a lasercomb and here is the info:


Class 3R product: 4.5 mW cw max @ 655 nm +/- 5 nm. This is all the info that I could find listed on the comb.


Precaution: AVOID DIRECT EYE EXPOSURE.

I don't know if that helps with anything.
 

d_umberly

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viperfish said:
Yes I do have a lasercomb and here is the info:


Class 3R product: 4.5 mW cw max @ 655 nm +/- 5 nm. This is all the info that I could find listed on the comb.


Precaution: AVOID DIRECT EYE EXPOSURE.

I don't know if that helps with anything.

Thanks Viperfish,

This confirms that the numbers on LaserComb (tm) I have are current.

I would like to address the differences between my "Rube Goldberg" and the professionally made LaserComb (tm) from a percent change calculation for each variable. This is of course a simplistic approach, I intend to do full up analysis after hitting the books on Laser Optics.

LaserComb (tm) Henceforth known as LC

Wave length 655 nm
Power 4.5 milliwatts

Rube Glodberg (not a tm) Henceforth known as RG

Wave length 650 nm
Power 5.0 milliwatts

So we have the following;

655-650/655 = .0076335 x 100 = .76335% decrease in wave length in the RG

5.0-4.5/5.0 = 0.1 x100 = 10% increase in power for the RG over the LC

In summary;

The RG has a .76 % tighter wave length which means who knows what in penetration power. Being a more coherent light one might jump to the conclusion it will penetrate better. I need more research on this to make that statement.

The RG has an energy densitiy 10% greater than the LC. This also might be significant one way or the other, not sure.

The last issue that comes to mind, distribution of the laser beam over and area and the importance of it being equal.

Let's take the two and compare;

LC uses a sawtooh shaped carefully engineered and polished (Acrylic Polycabonate, I assume) beam splitter to divide a single 655 nm 4.5 millwatt laser beam into nine parts. As depicted in its patent drawings.

If even power distribution can be asserted this means that all nine beams have and energy output of 4.5/9 = 0.5 millwatt This of course is not happening there is some loss over distance along with passing through nine bendings of the laser beam. I need to investigate this further to determine the probable loss at beams 1 to 9. It may be insignificant with a laser as long as the sawtooh's material of construction is of uniform density.

RG uses a lens that effectively scatters the laser left and right, or creates a 90 degree bend. This generates an ellipitcal beam when held at close distance to an object (my scalp).

My "Rube Goldberg" brush, sits about 1-1/4"(30mm) from the scalp and casts about a 1/8" ( 3.2 mm) wide by about 2 " (51 mm) long line. So for those who remember their geometry, Major axis = 51 mm and the Minor axis = 3.2 mm.

If the if the light energy is considered to be most intense at the center of the ellipse (the Minor Axis) then it should be the least intense at the other boundry (the Major Axis). This probably will take some serious investigation with some optical physics and requistie calculus to determine.

So in conclusion, I need to hit the library as I donated all of my old college textbooks to the library a long time ago. Unless some bright young engineer is lurking about and would like to help out. Anyone?


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Buffboy said:
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:D Is this a joke?

Buffboy,

Your link does not work. So, not sure what you are asking.
 
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