When is it too late?

CarlJohanson

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This is just a question of curiosity.
I've seen some success stories of dudes going from bald to having some thin hair but they dont say how long that have been bald for.

So for someone like my dad how has been NW6 for at least 20 years, is there any point in him trying finasteride and minoxidil?
 

Notcoolanymore

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I would say if his hair has been gone for 20 years, then yes it is too late for him to do much.
 

Raz

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Anything below and including NW3 is not worth trying
Ehh, including NW3? I've gone from NW3½~ diffuse thinning with heavy crown losses to like NW1½-2... And I have not even been on the meds for that long yet. Actually, my hairline is closer to NW1 right now but there's still some minor thinness in my crown.

So, to say that NW3 is too late - that is something I would not agree with. However, NW4 is pushing it, with the more important facet being the duration of follical inactivity. If one is balding fast, it likely means their hair loss will continue being aggressive to an extent, so regardless of Norwood-status, one might or might not have good results. If one is balding slowly but is late to act on it - the duration of follical inactivity might already have gotten to be too long for the meds to reach their maximum potential. Add in the luck of the draw with how good of a responder one is with the meds and we're getting there. I am a good responder and I acted within 5 years of balding. Someone else might not be as lucky.

So as you see, it's kind of random. Still, I would say that NW4+ and 5+ years of follical inactivity, both, in the balding areas would be potentially "too late", though you never know. Being a decent/good responder will change things. But that's also a matter of luck.
 

smyth01

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zzzzz has grown a significant amount of hair in just 4 months from a NW5/6. If things carry on well for him there is a good chance he might have a full head of hair in a year. It all depends on the individual.
 
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Ehh, including NW3? I've gone from NW3½~ diffuse thinning with heavy crown losses to like NW1½-2... And I have not even been on the meds for that long yet. Actually, my hairline is closer to NW1 right now but there's still some minor thinness in my crown.

So, to say that NW3 is too late - that is something I would not agree with. However, NW4 is pushing it, with the more important facet being the duration of follical inactivity. If one is balding fast, it likely means their hair loss will continue being aggressive to an extent, so regardless of Norwood-status, one might or might not have good results. If one is balding slowly but is late to act on it - the duration of follical inactivity might already have gotten to be too long for the meds to reach their maximum potential. Add in the luck of the draw with how good of a responder one is with the meds and we're getting there. I am a good responder and I acted within 5 years of balding. Someone else might not be as lucky.

So as you see, it's kind of random. Still, I would say that NW4+ and 5+ years of follical inactivity, both, in the balding areas would be potentially "too late", though you never know. Being a decent/good responder will change things. But that's also a matter of luck.

Do you have a thread with before/after pics? I'd be interested to see your progress
 

Raz

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Do you have a thread with before/after pics? I'd be interested to see your progress
Yeah I do. The last update is from 3 weeks ago and I've been getting a lot more regrowth since then too. (Had been on minoxidil for 3 months then, closing in on 4 months now so I am still getting gains from minoxidil). I'll be updating that in another 10 days or so.

That being said, not to hijack the thread any further...

zzzzz has grown a significant amount of hair in just 4 months from a NW5/6. If things carry on well for him there is a good chance he might have a full head of hair in a year. It all depends on the individual.
...Agreed, his regrowth has been very solid and a good example of combatting aggressive hair loss as well.
 

mr.patches

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Anything below and including NW3 is not worth trying
This is some shiitty attitude right here.

@CarlJohanson If your dad is actually willing, for the sake of science and this community, to start treatment the I'd say go for it. I think there are people here always interested to see a NW6 person reacting to treatment. minoxidil, nizoral and dutasteride would be the best for him according to your description. Additional supplements such as zinc and magnesium would also be worth trying along with the regimen.
 

xRedStaRx

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This is some shiitty attitude right here.

@CarlJohanson If your dad is actually willing, for the sake of science and this community, to start treatment the I'd say go for it. I think there are people here always interested to see a NW6 person reacting to treatment. minoxidil, nizoral and dutasteride would be the best for him according to your description. Additional supplements such as zinc and magnesium would also be worth trying along with the regimen.

He has a point though, but that depends on who's asking.

If you're happy keeping a NW3, then go for it. It's argubaly better than higher norwoods, although still officially bald.
 

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zzzzz has grown a significant amount of hair in just 4 months from a NW5/6. If things carry on well for him there is a good chance he might have a full head of hair in a year. It all depends on the individual.

I am diffuse nw7 and despite how bad my crown loss was I am not nearly close to bald or even in severe stages of loss this is what my hairline looks like.. Not a nw5/6. None of my hairs are actually "dead" even the ones on the crown. All miniaturized

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anyone who does not have a lot of completely dormant follicles on the top of their head is worth trying
 

idunnolol

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Hair follicles that have gone inactive completely vanish after some 2 years so yeah. Think back to the hair you had 2 years ago. That's the max regrowth you can hope for.
Oh what you need to keep in mind though is that you never had all the hair on your head you could possibly have had because some follicles simply were dormant which is something completely different than being dead.
 

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Hair follicles that have gone inactive completely vanish after some 2 years so yeah. Think back to the hair you had 2 years ago. That's the max regrowth you can hope for.
Oh what you need to keep in mind though is that you never had all the hair on your head you could possibly have had because some follicles simply were dormant which is something completely different than being dead.

Bullsh*t.

If you've ever read about follicles in balding scalp or even watched some of the presentations by Dr. George Cotsarelis (clearly you haven't done either), you'd know that follicles never die.

This can be see with complete reversal of male pattern baldness with the use of Benoxaprofen and the case of the man who burned his scalp and regrew all his hair in that area.

Getting on Finasteride and blocking DHT is not going to do sh*t, that's only a small part of the problem.
 

CarlJohanson

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This is some shiitty attitude right here.

@CarlJohanson If your dad is actually willing, for the sake of science and this community, to start treatment the I'd say go for it. I think there are people here always interested to see a NW6 person reacting to treatment. minoxidil, nizoral and dutasteride would be the best for him according to your description. Additional supplements such as zinc and magnesium would also be worth trying along with the regimen.

Kinda what I was thinking too! Just to see if its possible. I haven't found anything on guys going from years of baldness to hair. Either because no one has tried or because it cant be done but I can't find the answer to that question either...
 

Notcoolanymore

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Anything below and including NW3 is not worth trying

So I guess there is no difference between NW3 and NW7...
 

CarlJohanson

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So there are still hairs onto of his head. Just not very many...
What regime would be the way to go? To me it would make sense to start on finasteride and see if that does anything. But Im really not sure.
 

I.D WALKER

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If his preexisting good health checks out, then why not go for it?

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Dormant or not what can he lose for trying.
 

Aesthetic

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I am diffuse nw7 and despite how bad my crown loss was I am not nearly close to bald or even in severe stages of loss this is what my hairline looks like.. Not a nw5/6. None of my hairs are actually "dead" even the ones on the crown. All miniaturized

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anyone who does not have a lot of completely dormant follicles on the top of their head is worth trying

ur hair looks fine bro

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Bullsh*t.

If you've ever read about follicles in balding scalp or even watched some of the presentations by Dr. George Cotsarelis (clearly you haven't done either), you'd know that follicles never die.

This can be see with complete reversal of male pattern baldness with the use of Benoxaprofen and the case of the man who burned his scalp and regrew all his hair in that area.

Getting on Finasteride and blocking DHT is not going to do sh*t, that's only a small part of the problem.

explain more plz
 
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