who is totally bald even though maternal side has thick head

[Johnny24601]

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This is a totally useless thred. It is a settled issue that the gene for male pattern baldness can come from either side and show up with any child really at anytime (including women for that matter). Besides, what answers do you get from a tiny dataset of people you have never met and have no idea if they are telling the truth or exaggerating in anyway.
Lately, there has been way too much useless crap on this website.........

 

[Johnny24601]

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"Keep th epoll going , it seems that no balding of maternal side may only result in diffuse thinning?"
This guy is making conclusions on complex physiological questions based on the results of 16 votes. Wow, just wow.

 

[silkeysmooth]

Actually, I wouldn't say it's totally useless crap. It doesn't prove anything one way or the other regarding the inheritance of male pattern baldness, but it just further illustrates that diffuse thinning seems to be the most prevalent form of male pattern baldness concerning posters of this site. I honestly don't see that often in everyday life the kind of thinning presented by gourmetstylewellness.com posters via uploaded pics, and as evidenced by the desperation in many posts, many guys here are seriously stressed out, and probably were so before hair loss.

What does that prove? Nothing, except reaffirm my suspicion that male pattern baldness is accelerated dramatically by stress.

 

[chewbaca]

Where did you get X chromosome from?

I disagree.

before u guys try to flame me, i get the impression that u have not been following male pattern baldness news that well

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story ... d=10127067


Prematurely balding? Blame your mum’s genes

24.05.05


LONDON - Sons may blame their fathers for premature balding but new research suggests it may be caused by the mother’s genes.

Scientists have discovered a gene on the X chromosome that plays a crucial role in male hair loss. Men always inherit the X chromosome from their mothers, while women inherit an X from each parent.

When it comes to going bald, a man is likely to take after his maternal grandfather rather than his father, the study by a team of German scientists indicates.

The gene affects the androgen receptor, a protein that helps activate male hormones. Certain changes in the gene can cause receding hairlines.

It had long been suspected that hereditary factors were an important cause of hair loss. Until now it has not been clear which genes are involved.

The androgen receptor gene was identified by scientists who spent years searching for families in which several men were affected by baldness.

The scientists found that the gene lay on a part of the X chromosome associated with the biggest contribution to baldness. Professor Markus Nothen, from Bonn University, who led the team, said: "One variant of this gene was found among men who suffered from premature balding at a very early stage very much more often than among men who still had a full head of hair when over 60."

The genetic variant is believed to result in more androgen receptors on the scalp. This would make the scalp more sensitive to the effect of hormones, leading to hair loss.

The findings appear in latest edition of the American Journal of Human Genetics.

Professor Nothen said it was likely that the hereditary defect could also be passed directly from father to son.

Some scientists believe stem cell research could lead to ways of preventing and reversing baldness.

Last year, a University of Pennsylvania team identified stem cells in the hair follicles of mice that could be transplanted into skin and potentially stimulate hair growth.

 

[incubusor]

There is no baldness on my moms side of the family. Her brother has a full head of hair and her father died with thick long hair. My father was bald by age 29.

 

[chewbaca]

I think we all should know what severe male pattern baldness is...It is known to attack families where mum's side has a worst history of male pattern baldness....

 

[chewbaca]

Actually, I wouldn't say it's totally useless crap. It doesn't prove anything one way or the other regarding the inheritance of male pattern baldness, but it just further illustrates that diffuse thinning seems to be the most prevalent form of male pattern baldness concerning posters of this site. I honestly don't see that often in everyday life the kind of thinning presented by gourmetstylewellness.com posters via uploaded pics, and as evidenced by the desperation in many posts, many guys here are seriously stressed out, and probably were so before hair loss.

What does that prove? Nothing, except reaffirm my suspicion that male pattern baldness is accelerated dramatically by stress.

if everyone had voted acocording to the criteria, then i should not see why the results should portray a different conclusion like wat u stated

Anecdotal evidence iha sproven itself to be useful in many scientific discoveries

Take male pattern baldness itself, how did the medical world find out the difference between Telogen Effluvium and male pattern baldness?

how did they know the effect of ANdrogen recptors and DHT and so on if not for anecdotal observation?

how did they know the genetic influence on male pattern baldness without such anecdotal observation on why men and women lose hair differently?

 

[chewbaca]

:roll:

 

[Aplunk1]

You're crazy.

 

[silkeysmooth]

Actually, I wouldn't say it's totally useless crap. It doesn't prove anything one way or the other regarding the inheritance of male pattern baldness, but it just further illustrates that diffuse thinning seems to be the most prevalent form of male pattern baldness concerning posters of this site. I honestly don't see that often in everyday life the kind of thinning presented by gourmetstylewellness.com posters via uploaded pics, and as evidenced by the desperation in many posts, many guys here are seriously stressed out, and probably were so before hair loss.

What does that prove? Nothing, except reaffirm my suspicion that male pattern baldness is accelerated dramatically by stress.

if everyone had voted acocording to the criteria, then i should not see why the results should portray a different conclusion like wat u stated

Anecdotal evidence iha sproven itself to be useful in many scientific discoveries

Take male pattern baldness itself, how did the medical world find out the difference between Telogen Effluvium and male pattern baldness?

how did they know the effect of ANdrogen recptors and DHT and so on if not for anecdotal observation?

how did they know the genetic influence on male pattern baldness without such anecdotal observation on why men and women lose hair differently?

My guess is that it wasn't a poll with a small sampling of surveyors from a website that is certainly not lacking in young men who almost ALL have the same type of sudden, diffuse hair loss.

By your own logic, people that didn't meet the voting criteria aren't as likely to suffer from diffuse male pattern baldness; it's akin to making a poll saying "only people with blue eyes can vote in this thread" and then drawing some conclusion about blue eyes and diffuse thinning.

I'm not dismissing your conclusions, but the results of this particular thread don't prove anything.

And no, I didn't say my theory regarding stress and male pattern baldness was concluded in my mind by the results of this poll. It just reminded me yet again that many kids here tend to be stressed out in general.

The "medical world" likely distinguished the difference between Telogen Effluvium and male pattern baldness when it was noted centuries ago that eunuchs didn't suffer from battern baldness. Certainly anecdotal evidence is important, but better constructed criteria and questions would be more beneficial in my opinion.

 

[Johnny24601]

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Article comments:
-It doesn't even get into who these scientists are other then they are German
-There are no specifics on their research
-I have read plenty of articles that claim the opposite
-The article talks about mom's effect on male pattern baldness and then also adds that the male pattern baldness may also be passed from father directly to son, I think I consider that a bit of a contradiction
I am not questioning your thesis as it is important we consider all opinions, it is just that this poll tells us nothing. The dataset is tiny (19 people) and there is no way of knowing if the voters are bias, tellling the truth, voting more then once and so on. Again, the poll is basically useless and I grow tired of useless crap on this website. Not to mention that presenting this poor data set and invalid conclusions is not the type of open honest and responsible talk that people, who are coming here for the first time to decide what they want to do about their hairloss, should be reading.
Someone might read this thred, see no male pattern baldness on there mom's side, conclude there is no need for them to take finasteride because no one on their mom's side is bald and then lose their hair.

 

[chewbaca]

the study showed they specifically studied men on the worst crve of male pattern baldness- early sufferes and found a variant in the genes

The androgen receptor gene was identified by scientists who spent years searching for families in which several men were affected by baldness.

And it lies in the X chromosome Since men only have an X it is from the Mum ONLY!

The scientists found that the gene lay on a part of the X chromosome associated with the biggest contribution to baldness

The article is of valid authenticity

The findings appear in latest edition of the American Journal of Human Genetics.