Who Would Help Fund A Kerastem Therapy?

[wilfred]

I'm actually shedding more than usual these days at the 3 month mark.

 

[jayeffbee]

my receipts, I paid cash & with a credit card, thus two receipts.
My shedding started before the treatment, it has only been 10 days, so it's not related to the treatment.

Probably means little, but interesting that your receipt was "AMA I" and mine "AMA III"

FWIW given I'm sure they're already aware of us, but I sent an email over to the Kerastem folks directly about our ongoing thread inviting them to participate in the community and in particular asking about why they think their method is advantageous to other adipose-based treatment.

 

[Grasshüpfer]

Nice to see that this is still being reported and discussed in an organized manner.

Maybe i can note that Dr. Schlauchdraff developed a method of keeping the fat and growth factors in place. This is what they are advertising his breast augumentation method with on the website.

 

[jayeffbee]

Nice to see that this is still being reported and discussed in an organized manner.

Maybe i can note that Dr. Schlauchdraff developed a method of keeping the fat and growth factors in place. This is what they are advertising his breast augumentation method with on the website.

He said this specifically? It would not make sense to me for the four clinics to have a different procedure… it would seem like a violation with whatever deal they have with the Kerastem brand I would think.

 

[sofia]

Probably means little, but interesting that your receipt was "AMA I" and mine "AMA III"

FWIW given I'm sure they're already aware of us, but I sent an email over to the Kerastem folks directly about our ongoing thread inviting them to participate in the community and in particular asking about why they think their method is advantageous to other adipose-based treatment.

@jayeffbee
Yes, I did reply to Kerastem after their response. Told him that, yes they might have technical nuances, but they are officially on Kerastem's site and I expect the treatment to be the same.
In regards to the receipt, it could mean anything, gender, method of payment, etc.

 

[jayeffbee]

For those interested, updated my dropbox progress as of today (just got a haircut, she did a pretty good job covering thinning though it's pretty clear in the video how much there is, particularly temples) https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hikaqgasvxrtnhc/AABLiOTjHV56XDUZSwD2vCyia?dl=0&lst=

I wish I had an actual doctor to measure density, because even looking through the photos myself I can't tell if I'm making or losing progress, I just know how much hair I see all over my bathroom floor.

Oh, and I even found a May 2016 video of my baseline of sorts, proving that I did not have the alopecia areata spot before the procedure

 

[newplayer]

Hi guys, it's been some time since I posted here. Just wanted to drop by and hear how are the first patients doing.
I cant remember the names - but I think some guys are past 6 months in.

What are the results?

 

[Blackber]

Hi guys, it's been some time since I posted here. Just wanted to drop by and hear how are the first patients doing.
I cant remember the names - but I think some guys are past 6 months in.

What are the results?

I'm just past 5 months - no results and at this point I'm not expecting any.

If I notice any changes I'll let you know. The pictures on Kerastem's website were taken at 1 year.

 

[jayeffbee]

I'm just past 5 months - no results and at this point I'm not expecting any.

If I notice any changes I'll let you know. The pictures on Kerastem's website were taken at 1 year.

Do you think you've maintained, or that you've lost further ground?

 

[Blackber]

Do you think you've maintained, or that you've lost further ground?

I've def lost further ground since I had the procedure.

I don't think the procedure accelerated my loss, just normal male pattern baldness progressing.

 

[Dlogic]

I did the procedure at Belgrade, like Blackber 5 months ago. I have not noticed anything either. No regrowth or thickening.

I pretty much lost faith in this, considering their sellpoint was not mentioning the proof of regrowth from Kerastem stats. But rather saying the people who had it in their clinic say their "Hair feels different". I regret wasting money on this, but I am not here to complain but rather let other people know of my situation.

 

[onelargehairplease]

Going through the Geneva clinics website since they must be doing something right. I came across this. It makes it clear that there is a specific way of transplanting fat and making the blood vessels in the fat work again after it has been transplanted, as the blood vessels are disconnected from the source once it's pulled out. Unless this specific is done, the fat layer "will die" as there is nothing going to the transplanted fat. It would be interesting to note if the Serbian clinic is following this method. This may be a cure as fat transplants are generally permanent/long term but the Serbian clinic results have me worried.

http://www.concept-clinic.ch/en/body-contouring/fat-grafting.cfm

Removing fat tissue through liposuction disconnects it from its blood supply. When the fat is transplanted, it requires a new blood supply to sustain it with oxygen and nutrients; otherwise, the transplanted fat cells will die. By combining purified fat cells with stem cells and ADRCs into a cell-enriched fat graft, the transplanted fat is able to survive. It integrates with the body, restores or augments soft tissue volume and eventually functions like the normal fatty tissue in the body, varying in volume as the patient gains or loses weight.

 

[orkun]

Yeah, sure, whatever you say...

If it worked, the board and the world would be flowed with testimonies. That is clearly not the case. This is just another way to separate desperate bald people from their money.

Why is Kerastem not selling his own machines?
I think kerstem is useless this marketing is wrong

 

[Stupidon]

Yeah, sure, whatever you say...

If it worked, the board and the world would be flowed with testimonies. That is clearly not the case. This is just another way to separate desperate bald people from their money.

Yeah sure the world would run to spend the money they don't have. Fascinating how some of you are overestimating this forum. As a reminder, it can barely book an event ticket.

Truth is no one will make billion with the cure, this is not the market size. Welcome in the reality. Oh and one last thing, some people are not despaired and can cope with their hairloss, it happens...

 

[Beowulf]

Truth is no one will make billion with the cure, this is not the market size. Welcome in the reality. Oh and one last thing, some people are not despaired and can cope with their hairloss, it happens...

The Puretech report said that hairloss is almost a $2 billion industry, and that's just considering finasteride + minoxidil sales. Cellmid make $1,022,000 in their first quarter of shipping to Australia for a product that isn't even proven to work.

This is all without hair transplants. And those people who don't care just don't seek treatment because they're scared of side effects.

It's a big industry and it's a genetic industry, it's just going to keep making more and more money until baldness is wiped from the genome.

 

[Stupidon]

The Puretech report said that hairloss is almost a $2 billion industry, and that's just considering finasteride + minoxidil sales. Cellmid make $1,022,000 in their first quarter of shipping to Australia for a product that isn't even proven to work.

This is all without hair transplants. And those people who don't care just don't seek treatment because they're scared of side effects.

It's a big industry and it's a genetic industry, it's just going to keep making more and more money until baldness is wiped from the genome.

Do you understand:
- We still do not know if it worth it
- Follica won't be distributed everywhere before years
- Some people won't hear about them before years
- Some people will still do nothing about their loss
- Some will stick to Fina / minoxidil
- They might not be the only one to make it to the market (hopefully)

Puretech just wants to attract investors. Saying it's a billions market does not mean they will make billions...

 

[jayeffbee]

Puretech just wants to attract investors. Saying it's a billions market does not mean they will make billions...

One doesn't have to make billions to make it worth it. Millions are still good too

Anyway, Late November and this morning updates posted (Month 4):
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hikaqgasvxrtnhc/AABLiOTjHV56XDUZSwD2vCyia?dl=0

Maybe I seem a little better than last month? Really hard to tell whether its from procedure, longer hair from October, maybe finasteride starting to matter? or just recovering from whatever shock loss I suffered. My areata spot continues to fill in at least. I think my temples are still not going so hot.

I feel like my shedding is fairly constant though… whether that's just something my body is cycling through as a result of the chaos I've sewn for it or what. I wish I had a little bit more science to my treatment but unfortunately its all over the place by now.

One thing I fear is whether I had enough fat from the places they took it, as I feel like I am more prone to soreness on my abdomen now and may even be bruising more easily than I used to (which, was always pretty easy but wonder if the missing fat makes it easier to irritate my muscles?)

In the end, I don't think we have much sign that anyone should really continue to go for this treatment at the present. Maybe Switzerland is doing something different after all… but we haven't really heard from anyone who did it there or seen any documentation on progress. At this point, wait out the US trials, but I think we've had enough guinea pigs at the moment.

 

[hairblues]

One doesn't have to make billions to make it worth it. Millions are still good too

Anyway, Late November and this morning updates posted (Month 4):
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hikaqgasvxrtnhc/AABLiOTjHV56XDUZSwD2vCyia?dl=0

Maybe I seem a little better than last month? Really hard to tell whether its from procedure, longer hair from October, maybe finasteride starting to matter? or just recovering from whatever shock loss I suffered. My areata spot continues to fill in at least. I think my temples are still not going so hot.

I feel like my shedding is fairly constant though… whether that's just something my body is cycling through as a result of the chaos I've sewn for it or what. I wish I had a little bit more science to my treatment but unfortunately its all over the place by now.

One thing I fear is whether I had enough fat from the places they took it, as I feel like I am more prone to soreness on my abdomen now and may even be bruising more easily than I used to (which, was always pretty easy but wonder if the missing fat makes it easier to irritate my muscles?)

In the end, I don't think we have much sign that anyone should really continue to go for this treatment at the present. Maybe Switzerland is doing something different after all… but we haven't really heard from anyone who did it there or seen any documentation on progress. At this point, wait out the US trials, but I think we've had enough guinea pigs at the moment.

Hair looks much better from baseline photos--thats awesome!

You don't think it was from treatment?

 

[jayeffbee]

Hair looks much better from baseline photos--thats awesome!

You don't think it was from treatment?

I'm not so convinced… to be honest its just really hard to tell. I feel like my temples and front of my scalp have only gotten steadily worse. Maybe the back is recovering some given the bald spot is recovering.

The difficulty is that, I was using minoxidil earlier on and then stopped… so I don't know if intermediary regression is from some of that, some of the procedure being harder on my body than I thought… and slow normalization? Also my photos are not exactly scientific… I'm doing my best to get a variety (I wish I got more earlier on) but if you look at the videos I feel like density hasn't changed all that much

My timeline as a recap:

• Nov 2015 -> May/June 2016 minoxidil to varying degrees of success (longer hair makes it really hard to apply)
• May 2016 -> about 5 weeks cutting 5mg finasteride, quit from sides
• End of July 2016 -> Kerastem (Belgrade)
• September 2016 -> 1mg then .5mg (most days) finasteride (mostly b/c of how much I was shedding and that huge bald spot I got from the procedure, and wanting to give 1mg generics a try after a bad time cutting 5mg up around May… and going in with a clearer head this time)

Pretty much a treatment basket case.

 

[hairblues]

I'm not so convinced… to be honest its just really hard to tell. I feel like my temples and front of my scalp have only gotten steadily worse. Maybe the back is recovering some given the bald spot is recovering.

The difficulty is that, I was using minoxidil earlier on and then stopped… so I don't know if intermediary regression is from some of that, some of the procedure being harder on my body than I thought… and slow normalization? Also my photos are not exactly scientific… I'm doing my best to get a variety (I wish I got more earlier on) but if you look at the videos I feel like density hasn't changed all that much

My timeline as a recap:

• Nov 2015 -> May/June 2016 minoxidil to varying degrees of success (longer hair makes it really hard to apply)
• May 2016 -> about 5 weeks cutting 5mg finasteride, quit from sides
• July 27th 2016 -> Kerastem (Belgrade)
• September 2016 -> 1mg then .5mg (most days) finasteride (mostly b/c of how much I was shedding and that huge bald spot I got from the procedure, and wanting to give 1mg generics a try after a bad time cutting 5mg up around May… and going in with a clearer head this time)

Pretty much a treatment basket case.

why did you stop Minoxidil?