Whom do you hope the GOP nominates for 2012?

[CCS]

Which candidate would you prefer in office if you had to pick one of the four, and which one would you rather see run against the democrat candidate?

Mitt Romney
Huckabee
Sara Palin
Ron Paul

And do you think the democrats should hold a primary or just stay with Obama?

 

[timbo]

Mitt Romney. It's all about the economy.

 

[The Gardener]

Ron Paul. It's all about the economy.

Then again, another part of me hopes that Palin gets nominated, because I'm the type of person who likes to stop and stare whenever I drive by car wrecks.

 

[Nene]

Ron Paul is the best republican. The democrats would be stupid not to let their incumbent run again.

 

[Bryan]

Sarah Palin would probably be the lamest choice the Republicans could ever make for President, so I'm going to work hard for her and hope that she gets the nomination. We Democrats could _easily_ defeat Miss Know-Nothing!

 

[Aplunk1]

They're all going to be against Obama... And the chances that Romney, Palin, or Paul, for that matter, are ridiculously low.

The Republican Party is in dire need of change and a fresh face (but please, no TEA PARTY!). Bobby Jindal might make it to the loop.

 

[Aplunk1]

Sarah Palin would probably be the lamest choice the Republicans could ever make for President, so I'm going to work hard for her and hope that she gets the nomination. We Democrats could _easily_ defeat Miss Know-Nothing!

I bet she sucks a good D. :innocent:

 

[timbo]

Sarah Palin would probably be the lamest choice the Republicans could ever make for President, so I'm going to work hard for her and hope that she gets the nomination. We Democrats could _easily_ defeat Miss Know-Nothing!

Maybe. We'll see how many jobs are left by the time 2012 rolls around.

 

[Cassin]

It won't be anyone from that list.

 

[47thin]

I have to agree with Cassin. American's hate a loser. Look how we treated the Vietnam vets because they "lost" the war. All these people lost once already. I would never discount Palin because people elected Reagan.

 

[The Gardener]

Unfortunately, unless the country collapses before the next presidential election, it won't be Ron Paul.

The monied elites aren't going to let someone get to the presidency who will force them to give up their crooked corrupt stranglehold on the government. Anyone who gets into office will be pre-vetted as being parasite friendly.

Then again, the economy might very well collapse before then. Who knows.

I know I am a cynic, but I have a strong feeling that right wing populist fascism will raise its head here in the States.

 

[timbo]

I know I am a cynic, but I have a strong feeling that right wing populist fascism will raise its head here in the States.

I think you have your rights and lefts mixed up. The government now operates our banks, our health-care system, and our automobile industry. That is much closer to socialism than fascism. Are you predicting a 180 degree turn in the next few years?

 

[HughJass]

Bobby Jindal might make it to the loop.

"The other guys black....... we need a black guy too!"


How cynical of me. A right wing party would never operate that way.


:whistle:

 

[HughJass]

You know you want him.

 

[47thin]

I know I am a cynic, but I have a strong feeling that right wing populist fascism will raise its head here in the States.

I think you have your rights and lefts mixed up. The government now operates our banks, our health-care system, and our automobile industry. That is much closer to socialism than fascism. Are you predicting a 180 degree turn in the next few years?

You have things in reverse. The government is taking our taxes to bail out these companies for their managerial incompetence, while they give themselves bonuses. You should read a few books on marxism, capitalism and fascism. The insurance companies run our healthcare system, such as it is. We spend more and get less than most other countries. I was talking to a friend who had to spend $ 1700 a month to pay for his healthcare while he was out of work. How is that socialism? PS google the articles about how real socialists think Obama is a joke, and only cares for the top 5%. That doesn't mean the tea party people are right, either.

PS, some of this healthcare stuff can be blamed on greedy, entitled doctors, BTW.

 

[Nene]

I know I am a cynic, but I have a strong feeling that right wing populist fascism will raise its head here in the States.

I think you have your rights and lefts mixed up. The government now operates our banks, our health-care system, and our automobile industry. That is much closer to socialism than fascism. Are you predicting a 180 degree turn in the next few years?

Ok, we are so far from a socialists country that it is not even funny. The government doesn't operate any of those things you just mentioned. It bailed out the auto industry and banking industry, which I didn't agree with BTW, but they don't "operate" these industries. Also, they require all citizens to buy health insurance, so that tax payers don't have to pay for the uninsured who show up at the emergency room. I don't like the health care reform b/c it just guarantees the insurance companies more business, and there shouldn't even be for profit health insurance companies, but again, government does not "operate" health care.

 

[timbo]

47thin and Nene, all of these takeovers and bailouts occurred in the last 5 years. Give it time and you will see what I mean. The stipulations that the federal government is putting on our insurance companies will drive them out of business. That is the plan. They are being forced to cover specific illnesses that most people have never even heard about. It is going to drive up deductibles and copays and eventually force them under. People don't understand that the profit margin for most insurance companies is low (1-2% margin). One of my closest friends is a mathematician employed by Regence Blue Shield. He has explained to me many of the cause and effect scenarios that will take place regarding his company and the health bill.

Once the insurance companies run out of money, you have a completely government owned and operated health-care system.

 

[Nene]

47thin and Nene, all of these takeovers and bailouts occurred in the last 5 years. Give it time and you will see what I mean. The stipulations that the federal government is putting on our insurance companies will drive them out of business. That is the plan. They are being forced to cover specific illnesses that most people have never even heard about. It is going to drive up deductibles and copays and eventually force them under. People don't understand that the profit margin for most insurance companies is low (1-2% margin). One of my closest friends is a mathematician employed by Regence Blue Shield. He has explained to me many of the cause and effect scenarios that will take place regarding his company and the health bill.

Once the insurance companies run out of money, you have a completely government owned and operated health-care system.

Thats a hypothetical situation and is not the reality, so when you say, "government operates healthcare," it just isn't true.
So it "forces them to cover specific illnesses," um, would you like it if you get sick and discovered that your illness isn't covered? You like it that the insurance companies have the power to just not cover a certain illness? No one should have to go bankrupt for an illness, even if it is one that "no one has ever heard of."
As for the profit margins, why do you give a sh*t? Oh no, poor insurance companies, now the CEOs will only buy 3 BMWs this year instead of 5! :sobbing:
I for one wouldn't mind if the insurance companies went out of business. There is something sick about companies making billions off of the illnesses of others. When you have for profit health insurance, it gives them incentive to not cover costly illnesses. Lots of the other modernized countries (Germany, Taiwan, Japan, England) whom all have better healthcare than us btw, all have a single payer system, or non-profit health insurance companies.

 

[timbo]

Thats a hypothetical situation and is not the reality, so when you say, "government operates healthcare," it just isn't true.
So it "forces them to cover specific illnesses," um, would you like it if you get sick and discovered that your illness isn't covered? You like it that the insurance companies have the power to just not cover a certain illness? No one should have to go bankrupt for an illness, even if it is one that "no one has ever heard of."
As for the profit margins, why do you give a sh*t? Oh no, poor insurance companies, now the CEOs will only buy 3 BMWs this year instead of 5! :sobbing:
I for one wouldn't mind if the insurance companies went out of business. There is something sick about companies making billions off of the illnesses of others. When you have for profit health insurance, it gives them incentive to not cover costly illnesses. Lots of the other modernized countries (Germany, Taiwan, Japan, England) whom all have better healthcare than us btw, all have a single payer system, or non-profit health insurance companies.

The health-care bill isn't a hypothetical. As of now, the Government has control over our health-care system. And it will have complete control once the insurance companies run out of business. And that isn't hypothetical either. They can't afford the mandates that Washington is strangling them with. They will go under eventually.

Perhaps I wasn't specific enough. Here are some of the government mandates. The government will be forcing insurance companies and employers to provide some ridiculous policies that cover rare and exotic illnesses. You think employers should be forced to buy that? What do you think that will do to the unemployment rate? I guarantee that businesses won't eat the costs of the extra expenses for health insurance. They are going to get rid of employees.

Insurance companies can't refuse anyone with preexisting conditions. Are you kidding me? That goes against the very definition of insurance. Did I mention how small the profit margin is with insurance companies? They will unequivocally go out of business, forcing a government takeover.

And Parent's policies will be forced to cover children until the age of 26. Excuse me, you are not a child at age 26! You need to move out and get a frickin job! Plus, What is this going to do to the cost of the parents health-care costs?

I don't care about rich CEO's driving M3's. I care about businesses staying in the private sector. Besides, I would rather have a rich businessman than a rich politician running our economy.

 

[timbo]

Also, England's health-care system is not better than ours, not even close. Not to mention we are 6x their population. You should ask some of your friends from the England, or even Canada how much they like a single payer system, Especially when they're down on a waiting list for life-saving surgery. Why do you think people are always coming over here for health-care? ...It's because our health-care is the best.

Edit: I found it. This is great!

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/1002 ... er_surgery