Why do people think HM will be coming soon?

[htownballa]

I keep hearing that HM will be out soon. Some people even say it will be out within 5 years, and a couple of posters said they are saving their money up for it.

I thought George Bush recently vetoed a bill to put money into stem cell research. “It crosses a moral boundary that our decent society needs to respect. So I vetoed it,â€￾ US President George W. Bush said of the research that involves tiny human embryos. Doesn't sound like it will happen for a long time.


Link:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/19/stemcells.veto/

 

[hairwegoagain]

I keep hearing that HM will be out soon. Some people even say it will be out within 5 years, and a couple of posters said they are saving their money up for it.

I thought George Bush recently vetoed a bill to put money into stem cell research. “It crosses a moral boundary that our decent society needs to respect. So I vetoed it,â€￾ US President George W. Bush said of the research that involves tiny human embryos. Doesn't sound like it will happen for a long time.


Link:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/19/stemcells.veto/

He vetoed a bill to use federal funding for the research....private research carries on as usual.

Some guys are just grasping onto whatever info they can get regarding this subject. It's entirely hearsay and wishful speculation. Perhaps it will "come out" someday, but I don't think it's the solution to hairloss for which most of these guys are desperate. I think some are building themselves up for pretty significant disappointment. However, if it gives them hope for now, great.

 

[TAINTED-MEAT]

Pres. Bush vetoed the bill involving the use of embryonic stem cells.
Other stem cells, such as the ones from umbilical cords are still available to use.

Besides, I don't think this has anything to do with HM.

 

[News2]

Besides, I don't think this has anything to do with HM.

That's right. Bush vetoed a bill involving the use of EMBRYONIC stem cells. What Intercytex and ARI are trying to do is to multiply the cells from you own hair - no embryos are involved.
Besides: Intercytex is a British company, and Mr. Bush can veto any bill he likes; it won't affect them.

Some guys are just grasping onto whatever info they can get regarding this subject. It's entirely hearsay and wishful speculation.

No, it's not. Intercytex have successfully completed their phase I trials, and phase II trials are about to start. We know from the results of the first set of trials that the treatment works. It may not be available in 2008 (as Intercytex predicts), but I would be surprised if it wasn't available by 2010.

 

[htownballa]

Just because they passed phase I trials doesnt mean its going to happen. I thought the earlier phases were the easiest to pass also?

When I went to http://www.intercytex.com, their website seemed more keen on promoting a facial rejuvenator than the HM. What are you guys drawing your hope from

 

[News2]

What are you guys drawing your hope from

- From countless interviews with Dr. Ken Washenik and Paul Kemp. They work for different companies, and yet they seem to come to the same conclusion - namely that HM will be available in the near future. Furthermore, they seem to be quite confident about their products.
- From the fact that Paul Kemp tried the procedure on his own head and grew 66 hairs on the space of a coin.
- From the fact that these companies have pumped millions of dollars into research on HM, and they simply cannot afford for it to fail.
- From the fact that whoever comes up with a product that works basically has a licence to print money. Quite an incentive, I would say.

 

[elguapo]

I love this site. Even the newbies know their sh*t about stem cell research, etc. Half the people I work with who are smart as hell, and get paid a quarter mill a year for their smarts (I'm not one of them) don't even know this stuff, even though it's in the news ever now and again.

But it's a good question. Why say 5 years? I don't know. When I read once that the figure of 5 years was being used many years ago as well, that implies that we might be too optimistic again now. But when they were using it back in the day, were there companies like Intercytex or doctors like Dr. Gho or Washenik saying that HM is on its way? I am not certain, but I don't think so, which is why I truly think that this HM or follicular cloning is indeed real, and it is just a matter of time before it is perfected and marketed as a bonified treatment option - a cure, essentially. I'm thinking more like 7 years. Don't ask why, just a hunch. I think it takes each clinical trial phase 3 years from start to completion. I'm hoping that Phase II will begin by October, as I've heard it will on another thread on this site, and will be completed in 3 to 4 years. And since this phase is dedicated to finding the right ingredients, the right process of cultivating the follicular cells, and the right candidates that can benefit from their ICX-TRC product, then they can move ahead with Phase III.

5 years is just a hunch. And I do think that the veto of that bill did push things back another 2-3 years (assuming it additional federal stem cell research funding will be approved, either by a democrat or otherwise). But it gained a lot of support since the last time it was brought up - the vote for vs. against was a lot higher than last time I recall. Was that because of reelections, and the members of congress, both Republican and Democrat, know that stem cell reseach is widely desired by the majority of the public, so they voted for it in order to be reelected for another term? Or was it because stem cell research is simply gaining support by all, regardless of political stance?

 

[powersam]

"- From the fact that these companies have pumped millions of dollars into research on HM, and they simply cannot afford for it to fail. "

this is by far the most tangible and supportable argument for HM coming out in the near future that i have seen.

 

[Apoc]

How can this moron talk about moral issues ffs. It's ok to kill thousands of people but god forbid to research medicine. Somebody please shoot him.

 

[HARM1]

How can this moron talk about moral issues ffs. It's ok to kill thousands of people but god forbid to research medicine. Somebody please shoot him.

He does not kill them because he wants to, you know

 

[News2]

But when they were using it back in the day, were there companies like Intercytex or doctors like Dr. Gho or Washenik saying that HM is on its way?

I think ARI opened their research centre in 2002. I'm not sure about Intercytex, but I assume they started at around the same time.

And I do think that the veto of that bill did push things back another 2-3 years

Can you elaborate on this? I mean: How can it possibly push things back? The only thing that Mr. Bush vetoed is the use of embryos for stem cell research. Since HM does not make use of embryos it is not affected by the veto. Furthermore, they already have a product that works. They have successfully regrown hair in phase I trials. And last but not least: Intercytex is a British company and is not affected by a ban on research in the USA.

I'm thinking more like 7 years. Don't ask why, just a hunch. I think it takes each clinical trial phase 3 years from start to completion.

It depends: HM may not need regulation in Britain, and they're talking about launching the product after phase II trials in 2008. The situation may be different in the USA, but I think that 7 years is probably too long. (And if it really takes that long you can always have the procedure done in the UK.)

 

[elguapo]

After thinking about it more, I guess I don't see how federal funding of embryonic stem cell research would affect the time table for HM. I take that back. At first I was thinking that even though they are not directly related, sometimes progress in one area can lead to progress/advancement in another. But I don't know if that would be the case for stem cell research.

I think it may have delayed the time table for other disorders. But yeah, probably not HM.

As for the 7 years thing, again, just a hunch.

But I think that comparing the "5 more years" guess of now vs. 5 or 10 years ago, since there are now companies already reporting HM success to some degree, than I think it is fair to be optimistic at this point in time. It's like flying cars - I hear people talk about the fact that there are no flying cars, as if we expected there to be by now. Well, once a company announces that they have a device that can defy gravity, give it 5 years and flying cars just might make it to the market. Same idea, or at least that's my take on it.

Man, 2008 sounds nice. I'll be happy if it comes out by 2010. So happy.

 

[Guest]

2010 would be perfect in my case. I personally do not want to get a First Generation HM. They will be much more expensive and the results are likely to be much better in the second or third generation. So I am planning to get about HM five years after it comes out, which would be 2015 in my case. I hope to maintain what I have got until then, though it doesn´t look really good..... :cry:

 

[kblah]

If phase 2 trials from intercytex start soon I really think that the competition between Aderans and Intercytex will see commercialisation within 2 years.

The commonly held belief is that Intercytex and Aderans will (IF phase 2 is successful which I see no reason why it wouldn't) move straight to commericialisation. The regulatory bodies within the UK and Japan aren't as stringent as the FDA in the US. Also because the product is not a drug i'm under the impression that there are a lot less hurdles in terms of safety and bodily effects.

Furthermore Intercytex plans on releasing another product ICX-RHY (From my reading probably not as complex as HM but still an injection of a substance) by the end of 2007, yet they still haven't started Phase 2 trials. To me this strongly suggests that they are willing to skip phase 3 in order to get products to the market.

If they release early they must be absolutely confident that their procedure is acceptable fom the market, ie Safe, Comestically acceptable etc. I'm a strong believer that the 2 companies would not be stupid enough to release early if the procedure didn't meet the standards of safety, comestic acceptability etc, there is just too much at stake for the companies both for the monetary effects and the reputation of the companies which also directly affects investment.

Do some reading about the 2 main companies, their market statements and the background of some of the investors behind in particular Intercytex along with the posts from reputable posters on the various hair loss forums and you should get a picture about the 2 companies and why many do believe that a release will definately occur within the next 5 years if not earlier.