Why nothing about osteoscreen, Ru, T-flav, 6-bap and other

[GourmetStyleWellness]

You were talking about the treatments section on the site when you listed it. It is not there. This site isn't just a discussion forum. There are 400 pages outside of this forum, handwritten, full of information and news Dermmatch is not promoted nor sold on this site at this time. You lumped it in.

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[Lizzad]

Crinagen literally has almost all the identical ingredients, so I don't see how it could be a "crock" and Revivogen not be.... ???

Crinagen gets the attention it deserves imo, Revivo has a big thread, and gets too much attention, but i do not assert that is is not a croc, lol

 

[GourmetStyleWellness]

You should specify that when you say "on the site" you mean in the forums. I consider the forums sort of a no-mans land as far as whether we control the content or not. It's mostly uncontrolled. The things we truly believe, stand for, etc are carefully controlled on the regular part of the site, outside the forums, on the static pages we wrote up. Thats our mantra out there. So yes, dermmatch is mentioned here many times, you're right.

I think you had a good suggestion to add RU and Fluridil etc to the unproven section. Im just concerned people will self medicate, use their own doses, etc. That is another pitfall of these things not actually being
"Hair Loss Treatments" recognized by the medical community. If they were, they'd be on a shelf, in tested doses, that have been tested for safety AND effectiveness. We have none of that for most of these things - including Avodart. Self medicating is incredibly dangerous, and its something that is highly promoted on HairSite. But we'll definitely enhance the unproven section as you've suggested. Thank you for the input.

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[Lizzad]

You guys should go in there and take the place over. Its a ghost town You wont hit any conflicts from the moderation there, because we put it there for a reason.

True, i'd like to see that section layed out like the Treatments section, with each new treatment given a thread & not a load of clutter & 100 posts about saw plametto, just 1 thread per treatment. Notable alternative treatments, not just any old crap tho. It could look like this...

Saw Palmetto
Biotin
MSM
Fluridil
RU
17-e
6-bap
t-flav

I mean you have an Emu Oil/Aloe thread......does emu oil deserve a thread more than Fluridil?

 

[GourmetStyleWellness]

Interesting suggestion on the layout. Im confused though. How long have you been a HairSite user? If its been at least 2 years then you should know that setting up a dedicated thread for something like 6-BAP is suicide. The reason why is because as I mentioned, everything that has sprung out of hairsite, has been found to be nothing. Had we set up a Zinc Oxide thread a year ago, I would be deleting it today. Why? Because everyone finally realized it wasn't worth the ruckuss and didn't do what they hoped. Same thing for FNS. Same thing for, etc etc etc.

Establishing threads for these things before I even know if they're legit seems premature and presumptuous. Assuming its going to be around and work. In reality the assumption is its going to fizzle to nothing and thats why HairSite promotes it but the FDA couldn't care less. To put it in a nutshell at least.

The logic behind the Aloe thread is that its used to sooth irritation and inflammation caused by hair loss and various irritable treatments. Therefore I know for a fact that they serve a purpose, have a value, and always will.

Anyways, I really see me deleting a permenant 6-BAP thread in 8 months just like I'd end up deleting all the other previous frenzies that fizzled to zilch. You guys can post all you'd like about it through, and create as many threads as you like. Maybe you can tell the HairSiters we're opened up to such things now, and maybe a more relaxed environment would be considered desireable for them. Who knows.

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[Lizzad]

Interesting suggestion on the layout. Im confused though. How long have you been a HairSite user?

I only browse most sites, i post on HTL & HLH. I joined here first, so it's only been since May 11th.

If its been at least 2 years then you should know that setting up a dedicated thread for something like 6-BAP is suicide. The reason why is because as I mentioned, everything that has sprung out of hairsite, has been found to be nothing.

This is the major flaw in my argument. Perhaps not so much so with Fluridil??? We know MSM has its uses too.

 

[GourmetStyleWellness]

True True. Oh well you should "come back home" and dominate the unproven section :lol:

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[Guest]

Crinagen is just a complete croc in my opinion & revivogen has WAY too much attention there.

Actually that was Lizzad`s quote not mine. Although i agree with him. But I will contine to spell it reviggoen as I think it bugs you. :lol:

I will post much more in the Experimental section, your right it is a bit of a ghost town there. Although Funkster is the man who really knows a lot obout the new stuff.

I do believe some of these new faddish treatments have good potential which is really why I was ranting at you before and I just feel this site could show a `little bitty` more enthususiasm to some new things. But you make your point very well about how important it is to educate on proven treatments first.

This is a great site and I would recommend this site FIRST to anybody who was losing their hair and didnt know where to turn for advice. Despite your allegiance to the evil empire Revvigoen. Joking.

I dearly hope that PS1 and possiblly tb4 that the loonies on hairsite (I only lurk on hairsite the clowns scare me too much to post there) are very excited about right now `could` be a very big step forward if they prove to be as safe and effective in humans as they do in mice. Lucky vermin with their norwood 0`s getting all the ladies. But time will see, I just know the future is going to be more hairy.

P.S I presume your not going to recommend to people about the Oz brew, mixing minoxdil with DMSO? :freaked:

 

[Cassin]

This something that has always confused me about people taking unproven treatments.

People are so scared of finasteride, and yet we have so much knowledge of how it works. People constantly debate the legitimacy of the FDA % of people that have sexual sides, plus handfulls of other unspecified side affects that aren't listed, oily skin, wrinkles, weight gain etc. And yet, people, including some of those that have taken finasteride, and have had bad sides, are readily willing to take some of these unproven treatments and throw caution to the wind. Meanwhile claiming that everything is ok and it is working fine. This makes no sense to me. This happens to some degree on this forum, but not even near as much as others. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

 

[GourmetStyleWellness]

Bingo Bingo Bingo Cinter.

Exactly.

Self medicating with experimental chemicals abounds, on the same forums by the exact same people who criticize the safety profile of Propecia.

This is yet another reason the logic of focusing on "new stuff" is so dangerous. It lacks the safety testing. It lacks the efficacy testing. It lacks the peace of mind given to it by the FDA taking responsibility for its safety. It lacks the appropriate dosage data needed for any drug. We know literally... absolutely nothing about how it may affect a hypersensitive responder.

People have actually died from using v****, and that drug had been tested up the yin yang. It is also FDA approved. They didn't know it could kill some people *despite* extensive FDA testing, until the general public started consuming it. Yet here these folks are, pouring DMSO on their heads like its water. They don't know what toxic chemicals could be combined in any of these concoctions.

One guy posted on HLH that he was quitting the "Oz Brew", yet another experimental treatment, because an hour or two after using it, he literally blacked out while walking through a parking lot. Without sufficient data that surrounds a proven treatment, you just don't know what's in it, and how safe it is.

This is a *major* reason why I am apprehensive to give too much attention to these things. It all really comes back to the lack of sufficient data. Safety data is a huge part of that.

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[Cassin]

Cinter?

 

[GourmetStyleWellness]

Sorry, Cassin

 

[Cassin]

LOL, I thought cinter was another acronym I didn't know.

 

[Guest]

But dont you think Merck and perhaps the FDA have misled people about the side effetcs of Propecia? Its more than 2% of people that have had side effcts with Propecia.

 

[Cassin]

But dont you think Merck and perhaps the FDA have misled people about the side effetcs of Propecia? Its more than 2% of people that have had side effcts with Propecia.

Not as much as some jackass on a forum popping sh*t he ordered from India is.

 

[GourmetStyleWellness]

But dont you think Merck and perhaps the FDA have misled people about the side effetcs of Propecia? Its more than 2% of people that have had side effcts with Propecia.

Id rather have the accountability of a mult-billion dollar pharmaceutical company putting that 2% in writing, with the backing of the reputation of the FDA, and all the money I could sue them for if my pee pee falls off from taking it ..... than put myself at risk by putting 6-BAP on my head and watching my eyeballs fall out and having absolutely nobody to blame but myself, and nobody to compensate me for my loss..... because nobody ever tested it or claimed it was safe.

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[shivs]

Good point gourmetstylewellness.com!

 

[RalphyWiggum]

But dont you think Merck and perhaps the FDA have misled people about the side effetcs of Propecia? Its more than 2% of people that have had side effcts with Propecia.

Id rather have the accountability of a mult-billion dollar pharmaceutical company putting that 2% in writing, with the backing of the reputation of the FDA, and all the money I could sue them for if my pee pee falls off from taking it ..... than put myself at risk by putting 6-BAP on my head and watching my eyeballs fall out and having absolutely nobody to blame but myself, and nobody to compensate me for my loss..... because nobody ever tested it or claimed it was safe.

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I concur,

Although these new treatments are exciting and have some scientific backing there is no liability on the part of a random company that provides you with 6-BAP.

My advice: let the deluded and the desperate be the guinea pigs for these experimental treatments, in the meantime stick with what works.

 

[bombscience]

I understand everyone's point in the matter, but I do think that there is room for a place for the discussion of some of the emerging treatments. That place is the unproven section. Start an RU, Fluridil, 6-BAP thread and if the interest is there, it will keep floating to the top.

 

[Guest]

Not as much as some jackass on a forum popping sh*t he ordered from India is.

Was that comment directed towards me? Just curious, I cant think of anything that has come out of India except for ironically generic propecia.

You get me wrong, I was NOT critisizing Propecia, just Merck and the FDA. Why did you bring 6-BAP into that context I dont know? This has got nothing to do with what I think of any new fad treatments.

I think Propecia is an EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT treatment. I was only saying that the side effects ARE higher than the 2% that Merck say they are. You know that as well. I would say 5% is an minimum and maybe more likely around the 8% figure.

I just think Merck and the FDA have twisted the numbers a little. But it doesent bother me as the stuff works very, very well, works for me and a lot of people. But 2% side effects come on! You KNOW its more than that!


gourmetstylewellness.com writes

blah, blah....6-BAP....blah....boo....6-BAP......blah....evil,,,,,,

just kidding ya.