Will public attitudes towards baldness change relatively soon?

[hellouser]

I hate how women are given the green light to make fun of a male genetic problem but it's not ok for us to make fun of a girl for being fat, which is most likely her own fault.

It's because men have allowed them to have this double standard. Watch this video as a whole panel of women for an entire segment LAUGH about a guy having his penis cut off and then thrown into the garbage disposal. They LAUGH at genital mutiliation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkmanLIAdXI

You think if a guy cut off a womans breast and did the same, anyone would laugh? Fvck no. People don't give a sh!t about men's health... and they certainly don't give a sh!t about hair loss, because if they did, there would be a LOT more progress with this disgusting disease where we wouldn't have to be made out to be the lowest form of society. How many initiatives have any of you seen promoting breast cancer awareness versus prostate cancer or ANY men's health issue? Two vending machines got installed at my office, BOTH of which support breast cancer awareness. Wouldn't it be NICE if one of them were for prostate cancer?

I'm fvcking livid with society, because its NOT just women that are at fault.

 

[aj218]

It's because men have allowed them to have this double standard. Watch this video as a whole panel of women for an entire segment LAUGH about a guy having his penis cut off and then thrown into the garbage disposal. They LAUGH at genital mutiliation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkmanLIAdXI

You think if a guy cut off a womans breast and did the same, anyone would laugh? Fvck no. People don't give a sh!t about men's health... and they certainly don't give a sh!t about hair loss, because if they did, there would be a LOT more progress with this disgusting disease where we wouldn't have to be made out to be the lowest form of society. How many initiatives have any of you seen promoting breast cancer awareness versus prostate cancer or ANY men's health issue? Two vending machines got installed at my office, BOTH of which support breast cancer awareness. Wouldn't it be NICE if one of them were for prostate cancer?

I'm fvcking livid with society, because its NOT just women that are at fault.

That is so ****ed up. If some girl made fun of a dude for getting his penis chopped off and I'd break her nose and not even give a **** about the consequences.

The one thing I hate about breast cancer awareness is that it takes away the attention from more pressing cancers and disorders. If a women has breast cancer, her chances of survival are very high as you can perform a full mastectomy and save her life, even metastasis can be detected easily with breast cancer. If someone has lung or pancreatic cancer, they're just basically told to count the days til they die. Only 10% of people with pancreatic cancer make it past 5 years whilst more than 85% of breast cancer suffers make it past 5 years.

Where is lung/pancreatic/prostate awareness? Where is their marathon and fundraising? Even leukemia doesn't get as much press as breast cancer awareness.

The only time they'll make actual progress in a cure for hairloss is if more women started going bald.

 

[hellouser]

That is so ****ed up. If some girl made fun of a dude for getting his penis chopped off and I'd break her nose and not even give a **** about the consequences.

The one thing I hate about breast cancer awareness is that it takes away the attention from more pressing cancers and disorders. If a women has breast cancer, her chances of survival are very high as you can perform a full mastectomy and save her life, even metastasis can be detected easily with breast cancer. If someone has lung or pancreatic cancer, they're just basically told to count the days til they die. Only 10% of people with pancreatic cancer make it past 5 years whilst more than 85% of breast cancer suffers make it past 5 years.

Where is lung/pancreatic/prostate awareness? Where is their marathon and fundraising? Even leukemia doesn't get as much press as breast cancer awareness.

The only time they'll make actual progress in a cure for hairloss is if more women started going bald.

It took a hipster movement like Movember to raise prostate awareness... but even that only lasts for 30 days out of the year.. breast cancer is ALL year round. Now, I'm not saying that breast cancer receives too much funding or awareness, im saying that men's health is largely ignored. Anything that happens to a guy is considered funny. I'm rather disgusted with humanity.

 

[aj218]

It took a hipster movement like Movember to raise prostate awareness... but even that only lasts for 30 days out of the year.. breast cancer is ALL year round. Now, I'm not saying that breast cancer receives too much funding or awareness, im saying that men's health is largely ignored. Anything that happens to a guy is considered funny. I'm rather disgusted with humanity.

I guess this whole man hate started when feminism got hijacked by the misandrists. True feminism is about equality between the sexes but what we see on tv and on the internet is borderline misandry.

They make fun of men for being short/bald/poor/ having a small penis. I wonder what boys will be like 10 years from now. Will they have to constantly worry about the size of their penis and how much hair they have on their head even in their pre teens?

I think it's worse though for a women to make fun of a guy for having a small penis than being bald. Atleast we have a chance to stop the process. There is no true proven method to increase penis length.

Also I ****ing hate how a groups of middle aged women cackle about this ****. Why can't women learn to laugh properly, I don't want to get confused whether or not it's halloween when I pass them and hear them laugh.

 

[karankaran]

NEVER EVER. Why? Because no one will be bothered to be educated about it, people will stick to their convenient hypocrisy like on every issue that does not affect them. One might conclude that i am talking about lack of knowledge or lack of incentive to acquire one being the reason why attitudes will never change?

Yes, but more than that, it is the character of people that determines their attitudes or willingness to learn new information. I do not know a thing about , say, a genetic disorder which inflicts certain people but i at least will not mock them and will listen to them if they try to make me understand the science behind it and what is being done. Hell, I might even think about pitching some money to help the cause. There LIES THE DIFFERENCE, where without being in the know of things, how a human being can approach these issues.

 

[hellouser]

NEVER EVER. Why? Because no one will be bothered to be educated about it, people will stick to their convenient hypocrisy like on every issue that does not affect them. One might conclude that i am talking about lack of knowledge or lack of incentive to acquire one being the reason why attitudes will never change?

Yes, but more than that, it is the character of people that determines their attitudes or willingness to learn new information. I do not know a thing about , say, a genetic disorder which inflicts certain people but i at least will not mock them and will listen to them if they try to make me understand the science behind it and what is being done. Hell, I might even think about pitching some money to help the cause. There LIES THE DIFFERENCE, where without being in the know of things, how a human being can approach these issues.

They're too privileged to care. They can't be bothered to be taken out of their comfy hairy live's to feel sympathy for others. To them, its negative. People don't like 'negativity'

 

[hellouser]

True hellhouser, the last thing you said rings so true to me.

When I was suffering from major depression and was even in psychiatry, all because of my hair loss, even then, my family was telling me "Oh get over it! Hair loss is nothing, do you think the girls care about that!"

I was 21 and already approaching a NW5 very fast. You get no sympathy from people in the "hairy world", never. No matter how much you appear to be suffering, no matter how your life is falling to pieces because of it, they won't empathise with you, you're just stupid to care about your hair, hair is nothing they will tell you under their full head of hair.

Some members of my family still think it was all an act, that someone couldn't possibly be that sad over losing his hair. 6 months in psychiatry, an act, of course! Some even denied I was losing until very recently. I'll pay 5000€ for my first FUE. That must also be part of my act, no one would be willing that much money just for hair, just be a man and get over it Fred!

Well, at least we're way ahead of our peers in terms of maturity. Hair loss is a cruel teacher.

My dad yelled at me and said (more or less) 'Women don't give a SH!T about your hair!'

Oh really? That's why women won't date balding guys, RIGHT? Yet now the guy goes to the gym every DAY and eating only vegetables all concerned about HIS looks at 52 years of age. God damn hypocritical moron... when I get the chance I'm going throw his bull**** RIGHT back in his face; women don't give a SH!T about his looks.

 

[Agahi]

I say no, mostly because non male pattern baldness society thinks that the condition is easily fixed and thus blames us for not just going to get something done. Every person I've talked to about it on the sly has said something to the effect of "why dont bald people just get it fixed?" never stopping to think that if that is possible then everyone would. Very similar to how society views mental illness honestly.

 

[resu]

Most think it's because of stress, we need an awareness program to educate the people on the truth of male pattern baldness.

 

[hellouser]

Most think it's because of stress, we need an awareness program to educate the people on the truth of male pattern baldness.

That won't get us any hair. Any initiative should be focused on curing us rather than educate these pitiful morons.

 

[Agahi]

That won't get us any hair. Any initiative should be focused on curing us rather than educate these pitiful morons.

Agreed. We should focus on our experiments and educating ourselves. How goes the crowdfuding hellouser?

 

[hellouser]

Agreed. We should focus on our experiments and educating ourselves. How goes the crowdfuding hellouser?

On hold. Things could get started now, but what we really need to know is a clear answer from one of the top researchers and say 'Yes, we've got a solution that can cure baldness.' Right now, the theoretical solution from a collaborative effort between the team in China and Dr. Jahoda isn't enough to sponsor anyone, we need to have 100% certainty... I think we may see something with certainty either this year or next year... well, outside of Dr. Lauster's work that apparently WAS the holy grail. Sigh.

 

[swingline747]

My dad yelled at me and said (more or less) 'Women don't give a SH!T about your hair!'

Oh really? That's why women won't date balding guys, RIGHT? Yet now the guy goes to the gym every DAY and eating only vegetables all concerned about HIS looks at 52 years of age. God damn hypocritical moron... when I get the chance I'm going throw his bull**** RIGHT back in his face; women don't give a SH!T about his looks.

well my idiot pops knows hair loss is ugly and hates it. He wears a hat everywhere. Has for YEARS yet somehow thought it was a great idea to breed.

 

[hellouser]

well my idiot pops knows hair loss is ugly and hates it. He wears a hat everywhere. Has for YEARS yet somehow thought it was a great idea to breed.

My dad still has all of his hair. Some of it has thinned out, but nowhere near enough to be as thin as mine.

CNN posted an article today about baldness:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/29/living/women-hair-loss-alopecia-relate/index.html

Of course, it's on women and the comments are mostly sympathetic. If the article was about men and baldness there would be laughs and humiliation.

 

[CaptainForehead]

My dad still has all of his hair. Some of it has thinned out, but nowhere near enough to be as thin as mine.

CNN posted an article today about baldness:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/29/living/women-hair-loss-alopecia-relate/index.html

Of course, it's on women and the comments are mostly sympathetic. If the article was about men and baldness there would be laughs and humiliation.

Most of them have opted to wear wigs and be open about it.
Lets see a baldite tell on the first date that he is wearing a wig and see how the woman responds.

"I thought, 'Let them make fun of somebody with a medical condition, let's see what happens,' " she says.

I cannot figure out whether the fact that we are ridiculed is good or bad. Pity or ridicule. Caught between a rock and a hard place.

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When I was suffering from major depression and was even in psychiatry, all because of my hair loss, even then, my family was telling me "Oh get over it! Hair loss is nothing, do you think the girls care about that!"

How did you end up in psychiatry Fred? Were you in 24/7?

 

[swingline747]

for those of us who say this causes us stress and mental issues we NEED to push (at least in the US) to have it covered by health insurance to be remedied. There is no reason people who let themselves get overwieght get to have surgery on the tax payer and insurance dime but we are left to rot.

I want to start a REAL movement to get this pushed. Would anyone be interested in helping, I hope you are.
we need to simply write a good case, create a central site, and get more people on board.
We need an ultimatum though. Mine is if we do not get the option then any weight surgeries need to be removed from it as well.
Our issues are a REAL issue. My mood and personality takes a massive hit. It affects my piece of mine, it affects my social outlook, it affects my desire to stay healthy, it affects my professional life. We need the same options as anyone else with issues.

 

[swingline747]

So true. I will write a letter to my health insurance company. Just for the sake of it. I will join my papers from the psychiatric clinic, tell them hair loss made me suffer from major depression, anxiety and even psychosis. I will tell them fat people can get a full refund for their by-pass surgeries here in Belgium. I will have to pay 5000€ for my FUE, and I will not get a dime back. And as you said, hair loss is not even my fault. I didn't cause by going to Mcdonalds every day of the week. This double standard has to stop, when I argue on this with people, they can even find a counter-argument, it's because it is insanity. Hair transplants should be 100% covered by insurance, as are those fat asses surgeries.

great fred but one letter to insurance will just be thrown away. You need names, many many names and then sent to your representative who will then forward that to your HI company.
We are numbers to a huge company. But enough numbers become a name.

Im in the US, you are in the EU (correct?). If we can make this a multi cultural thing then think of the attention it would get. You get this covered by HI and SEE how fast a cheap and easy option is released to the public. See how cheap the surgeries and medications get.

There is no down side to this really. Perhaps I should create a post and site.
My website creating skills have taken quite a down turn since CSS and HTML5 but I would be willing to learn more again. If anyone else has experiance perhaps they can help. I will get the domain and space.
I can also use wordpress and plugins to create a minor social networking style site with a minimal forum so we can collect names and signatures and create a real user database of people who agree.

If you are really serious its better to be coordinated and collected than just starting to write crazy letters off.

 

[swingline747]

I dont have to imagine Fred, I starting balding when I was 11-12, and was on Rogaine by 15 (my dad would not buy it for me earlier). Even with rogaine my scalp would crust over and and when I picked the crust a tuft of hair would come out, like if you took a tuft of grass in soil. I used to collect those skin-hair tufts.

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First thing you should check is whether treatments/wigs for any kind of alopecia for *women* are covered by insurance.


But this getting covered by insurance is a can of worms. It gives legitimacy to the viewpoint that baldness is a disease rather than a natural state of being. Once the insurance starts covering it, the second viewpoint becomes unavailable to the baldites.

it is a disease. So is any other and you can opt out of treatment if you want.

There is no real can of worms. In the end it would make treatments cheaper and more available to MORE people.
Perhaps if it were recognized as a disease then balding wouldnt be made fun of but instead looked at as something detrimental and needing to be fixed.

 

[SayifDoit]

I think i'm just going to accept baldness, Minoxidl just seems like a waste of time and money....and propecia is just too risky....
Here I come!! Baldness.

Today I was shampooing my hair and I must of gotten like 5 hairs out, **** man. I can't seem to see how my hair loss is progressing and I'm not sure if it's because my hair is too long but I can't do anything with it?!
I'm pretty sure it's further recession which will eventually create a V but it's hard to tell, I've always had a massive forehead.......hm...

 

[CaptainForehead]

it is a disease. So is any other and you can opt out of treatment if you want.

But it would still classify baldness as a disease. I could not "opt" out of this classification. Is being a ginger guy a disease?

Perhaps if it were recognized as a disease then balding wouldnt be made fun of but instead looked at as something detrimental and needing to be fixed.

And this precisely the viewpoint which makes me feel uncomfortable. Pity hurts more than ridicule. A man who is ridiculed is seen as someone strong enough to take it. A man who is pitied is seen as so weak so as to be pitied.

Also note that there is no foolproof cure. finasteride has serious side effects. Transplants dont work for us NW6s. I would not want it to be covered by insurance untill there is a relatively side effect free cure.