Will public attitudes towards baldness change relatively soon?

[swingline747]

But it would still classify baldness as a disease. I could not "opt" out of this classification. Is being a ginger guy a disease?



And this precisely the viewpoint which makes me feel uncomfortable. Pity hurts more than ridicule. A man who is ridiculed is seen as someone strong enough to take it. A man who is pitied is seen as so weak so as to be pitied.

Also note that there is no foolproof cure. finasteride has serious side effects. Transplants dont work for us NW6s. I would not want it to be covered by insurance untill there is a relatively side effect free cure.

you are viewed as less of a person regardless, pity or ridicule. So I see putting it under HI classification as a benefit more than detriment. You dont have to opt into treatment but perhaps if the insurance companies had to cover it then we would see something come out faster. Right now the hair industry is lagging. There are no real advances BUT if these companies knew that ONE HUNDRED PERCENT more possible customers now existed then I bet some magic cure would just pop out of the woodwork.

Get over it, you ARE less a man unless you can somehow break free and get SUPER rich. I have tried every way to get rich and middle class is the highest I will ever achieve (which is still 100% higher than I grew up). lower middle to middle is the average and being bald usually keeps you there unless you somehow get ahead by your own means. Most of us will never have the money to look past being bald. Hell most of us dont have the money to do anything ABOUT being bald.

I think if fat people can get covered from something they caused themselves then we should to.

 

[hellouser]

great fred but one letter to insurance will just be thrown away. You need names, many many names and then sent to your representative who will then forward that to your HI company.
We are numbers to a huge company. But enough numbers become a name.

Im in the US, you are in the EU (correct?). If we can make this a multi cultural thing then think of the attention it would get. You get this covered by HI and SEE how fast a cheap and easy option is released to the public. See how cheap the surgeries and medications get.

There is no down side to this really. Perhaps I should create a post and site.
My website creating skills have taken quite a down turn since CSS and HTML5 but I would be willing to learn more again. If anyone else has experiance perhaps they can help. I will get the domain and space.
I can also use wordpress and plugins to create a minor social networking style site with a minimal forum so we can collect names and signatures and create a real user database of people who agree.

If you are really serious its better to be coordinated and collected than just starting to write crazy letters off.

This would be an EXCELLENT addition to a crowdfunding campaign for a cure!

 

[swingline747]

This would be an EXCELLENT addition to a crowdfunding campaign for a cure!

well anyone with some interest in creating a site for it then get in touch with me.
We can decide what to use and what we're aiming at.
Hellhouser we can put your crowdfunder on it as well.

www.cureforcuball.com

 

[hellouser]

Perhaps if it were recognized as a disease then balding wouldnt be made fun of but instead looked at as something detrimental and needing to be fixed.

This will probably never happen because baldness is associated with men and we all know that men's health is largely undermined. Prostate cancer receives very little attention where as breast cancer receives funding, awareness and campaigns of unimaginable proportions. The disparity is incredible. You'd have to tackle social stigmas towards men's health if you wanted to have baldness be respected.

 

[swingline747]

This will probably never happen because baldness is associated with men and we all know that men's health is largely undermined. Prostate cancer receives very little attention where as breast cancer receives funding, awareness and campaigns of unimaginable proportions. The disparity is incredible. You'd have to tackle social stigmas towards men's health if you wanted to have baldness be respected.

again we create the site and you can write one of your article about that topic. It would only help the cause.

We can whine or do something. I talk about giving up but I am a fighter.... you cant whine if you never tried.

someone with any web experience will be needed with me. I cant do it all myself.

 

[hellouser]

well anyone with some interest in creating a site for it then get in touch with me.
We can decide what to use and what we're aiming at.
Hellhouser we can put your crowdfunder on it as well.

www.cureforcuball.com

I've made some brief outlines for crowdfunding before, but a project like this needs a ton of planning and a good number of contributors. In either case, I wouldn't want to run a campaign until we have some kind of confirmation from any of the top researchers that they can create hair follicles at will from stem cells. The 'theoretical' stuff between Dr. Jahoda's method of reproducing epithelial cells and Dr. Xu's method of reproducing dermal papillae cells isn't good enough, we need to know that they've collaborated AND that it works. We need a guarantee. Setting up a campaign without 100% certainty is basically shooting in the dark. I wouldn't want to spend so much efforts on a campaign that brings in potentially millions of dollars with the end result of no possible cure. That'd be a waste. What happens to the money?

Dr. Roland Lauster back in 2010 was able to create artificial skin with follicles that grew hair. We haven't heard ANYTHING from him since, his last words were basically we could have a treatment within 5 years. Next month Beren Atac, one of his Phd students from the University of Berlin will be presenting at the Hair Congress in South Korea. The topic will be growing follicles in a bioreactor.

You guys should pay more attention to my posts in the New Research, Studies, and Technologies forum. I've made a thread about Desmond, a forum member from Bald Truth Talk being sponsored by us to go to the hair congress and meet with Jahoda, Cotsarelis and now with Dr. Lauster's team and possibly himself. We need to raise about $2,000 USD to cover his costs (flight, entrance fee, hotels, etc), we're already at around $1,700. His flight is booked. I should mention that Desmond is also working on his PhD in a relevant field, I believe either dermatology or something with pharmaceuticals. This guys knows a LOT about hair follicles. He's the perfect guy to go. I strongly urge you to make a small donation if you can. I've pitched in about $85, others have given $300. His visit will allow us to have audio recordings of ALL the important presentations as well as interviews with the doctors and questions answered by them from us as we'll be compiling a list for Desmond.

Read the thread for more info here:
http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/interac...go-to-World-Hair-Congress-2014-in-South-Korea!

 

[swingline747]

I've made some brief outlines for crowdfunding before, but a project like this needs a ton of planning and a good number of contributors. In either case, I wouldn't want to run a campaign until we have some kind of confirmation from any of the top researchers that they can create hair follicles at will from stem cells. The 'theoretical' stuff between Dr. Jahoda's method of reproducing epithelial cells and Dr. Xu's method of reproducing dermal papillae cells isn't good enough, we need to know that they've collaborated AND that it works. We need a guarantee. Setting up a campaign without 100% certainty is basically shooting in the dark. I wouldn't want to spend so much efforts on a campaign that brings in potentially millions of dollars with the end result of no possible cure. That'd be a waste. What happens to the money?

Dr. Roland Lauster back in 2010 was able to create artificial skin with follicles that grew hair. We haven't heard ANYTHING from him since, his last words were basically we could have a treatment within 5 years. Next month Beren Atac, one of his Phd students from the University of Berlin will be presenting at the Hair Congress in South Korea. The topic will be growing follicles in a bioreactor.

You guys should pay more attention to my posts in the New Research, Studies, and Technologies forum. I've made a thread about Desmond, a forum member from Bald Truth Talk being sponsored by us to go to the hair congress and meet with Jahoda, Cotsarelis and now with Dr. Lauster's team and possibly himself. We need to raise about $2,000 USD to cover his costs (flight, entrance fee, hotels, etc), we're already at around $1,700. His flight is booked. I should mention that Desmond is also working on his PhD in a relevant field, I believe either dermatology or something with pharmaceuticals. This guys knows a LOT about hair follicles. He's the perfect guy to go. I strongly urge you to make a small donation if you can. I've pitched in about $85, others have given $300. His visit will allow us to have audio recordings of ALL the important presentations as well as interviews with the doctors and questions answered by them from us as we'll be compiling a list for Desmond.

Read the thread for more info here:
http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/interac...go-to-World-Hair-Congress-2014-in-South-Korea!

we could always start a crowdfunder pot for a lottery to who ever presents the most feasible approach and cure. Make it like a grant, could get us involved more hands on with the entire process

 

[Deadman1]

for those of us who say this causes us stress and mental issues we NEED to push (at least in the US) to have it covered by health insurance to be remedied. There is no reason people who let themselves get overwieght get to have surgery on the tax payer and insurance dime but we are left to rot.

While you are correct that hair loss is the body rotting away, the reason this won't happen is because overweight can cause a bunch of other problems from heart disease to high blood pressure to diabetes to joint problems, which the insurance companies would end up having to pay for in the end. They are simply looking at what will cause them to pay out the least amount of money.

Right now the only cure for hair loss is a bullet to the head. Maybe we can get them to pay for that.

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you know I hear this stat about a majority of men losing their hair by 30 but WHERE ARE THEY!
In the gym, the balds are the minority
In MY LIFE they are the minority as all my friends and even brother have full heads of hair
In my job more guys have hair than not.
WHERE are these stats coming from?!

I would like to know too as I can with all certainty dispute these stats as completely false.

I have a job where I see hundreds if not thousands of people a week. Maybe 3% are bald or balding. Every job where I ever worked, I have been the only bald guy there or at the most two or three total. I constantly see old guys into their 70s with full heads of hair.

So I too would like to know where this huge percentage of balds guys are, because I am not seeing them.

 

[bald29]

I have a job where I see hundreds if not thousands of people a week. Maybe 3% are bald or balding. Every job where I ever worked, I have been the only bald guy there or at the most two or three total. I constantly see old guys into their 70s with full heads of hair.

So I too would like to know where this huge percentage of balds guys are, because I am not seeing them.

Some of us work from home. Most just don't go out as much.

But you are right. For instance, I play football semi-professionally and in my team only 2 players are bald, me and a guy who is 38 and about to retire. Oh, and the team physician also, but he is almost 60. A football team is a great way to measure it because players are in the age range 20-35. And we are only 2 bald guys out of 25 players. The other teams also usually have one or two bald players at most. This is not higher than 8%.

 

[swingline747]

Some of us work from home. Most just don't go out as much.

But you are right. For instance, I play football semi-professionally and in my team only 2 players are bald, me and a guy who is 38 and about to retire. Oh, and the team physician also, but he is almost 60. A football team is a great way to measure it because players are in the age range 20-35. And we are only 2 bald guys out of 25 players. The other teams also usually have one or two bald players at most. This is not higher than 8%.

This is what I mean. maybe at least here in America anyway.
Basically bald is being bred out. Women dont want to mate with a bald guy, the on in one thousand attractive one will eventually settle but really its the "not so skinny" girls that usually end up with bald guys. So now we have this mutant race of pudgy bald penguin'esk type people for life to bash on.....

 

[hellouser]

While you are correct that hair loss is the body rotting away, the reason this won't happen is because overweight can cause a bunch of other problems from heart disease to high blood pressure to diabetes to joint problems, which the insurance companies would end up having to pay for in the end. They are simply looking at what will cause them to pay out the least amount of money.

Right now the only cure for hair loss is a bullet to the head. Maybe we can get them to pay for that.

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I would like to know too as I can with all certainty dispute these stats as completely false.

I have a job where I see hundreds if not thousands of people a week. Maybe 3% are bald or balding. Every job where I ever worked, I have been the only bald guy there or at the most two or three total. I constantly see old guys into their 70s with full heads of hair.

So I too would like to know where this huge percentage of balds guys are, because I am not seeing them.

I myself am the youngest guy in my building and the only bald guys are in their 50s and up and there are only a handful of them too. God, if there is such a thing, has done a wonderful job of having a divine plan that includes me being socially gimped.

 

[I.D WALKER]

Bear with me as I wax philosophical diatribe for a moment. I respect the insurance ideas in principle, however I harbor some misgivings to see this picture ever realized because I would obviously expect that the protocol imposed on patients by the medical/insurance companies would require the well intentioned patients/persons to undergo potentially privacy invasive psychiatric evaluations. Being bald is a rough ride to begin with; however being bald and documented mentally ill would mean a double whammy( so to speak ). Would you agree that there is some merit to my concern of a deeper issue and threat materializing from it? I'ld have a difficult time justifying the risk/reward ratio were this option realistically made available. Recipient's medical records would be privy to outside sources ie; government "watch dog" agencies, employee personnel offices etc.,. I am referring to irrevocable infiltration of our personal security and our long term livelihood as we know it. Because of a little psychiatric test performance that resulted in a confirmed mental illness on the patient and prospective job applicant alike that consequently lead to it's subject(s) viewed as "damaged goods" by the hypothetical interviewer. Of course I favor a better and perhaps deserved rate for our hair treatment plan insofar that just for practical purposes alone, could ultimately motivate a higher morale and stronger work force. I believe it's important to note that this scenario comes with a non-refundable price. It's clearly no secret that our hair loss experience already carries it's societal taboo tattoo, couple that prejudicial struggle with societies tragic stigma toward mental illness(es)..,and bravely gaze thru the collective judgemental eyes of the ignorant /arrogant. In the end our heartfelt intentions may impinge on the most precious of our so-called inalienable rights.

 

[hellouser]

Bear with me as I wax philosophical diatribe for a moment. I respect the insurance ideas in principle, however I harbor some misgivings to see this picture ever realized because I would obviously expect that the protocol imposed on patients by the medical/insurance companies would require the well intentioned patients/persons to undergo potentially privacy invasive psychiatric evaluations. Being bald is a rough ride to begin with; however being bald and documented mentally ill would mean a double whammy( so to speak ). Would you agree that there is some merit to my concern of a deeper issue and threat materializing from it? For instance, I would not be comfortable with the risk/reward ratio were this option realistically made available. Recipient's medical records would be privy to outside sources ie; government "watch dog" agencies, employee personnel offices etc.,. I am referring to irrevocable infiltration of our personal security and our long term livelihood as we know it. Because of a little psychiatric test performance that resulted in a confirmed mental illness on the patient and prospective job applicant alike that consequently lead to it's subject(s) viewed as "damaged goods" by the hypothetical interviewer. Of course I favor a better and perhaps deserved rate for our hair treatment plan insofar that just for practical purposes alone, could ultimately motivate a higher morale and stronger work force. I believe it's important to note that this scenario comes with a non-refundable price. It's clearly no secret that our hair loss experience already carries it's societal taboo tattoo, couple that prejudicial struggle with societies tragic stigma toward mental illness(es)..,and bravely gaze thru the collective judgemental eyes of the ignorant /arrogant. In the end our heartfelt intentions may impinge on the most precious of our so-called inalienable rights.

I dont think it will ever happen on the basis that the privileged with hair don't want to threaten their luxuries by having others on the same playing field. It's the positional good theory in which an object is only valued by the possessor because it’s not possessed by others. Basically, society would rather have us bald for their own happiness.

 

[swingline747]

Bear with me as I wax philosophical diatribe for a moment. I respect the insurance ideas in principle, however I harbor some misgivings to see this picture ever realized because I would obviously expect that the protocol imposed on patients by the medical/insurance companies would require the well intentioned patients/persons to undergo potentially privacy invasive psychiatric evaluations. Being bald is a rough ride to begin with; however being bald and documented mentally ill would mean a double whammy( so to speak ). Would you agree that there is some merit to my concern of a deeper issue and threat materializing from it? I'ld have a difficult time justifying the risk/reward ratio were this option realistically made available. Recipient's medical records would be privy to outside sources ie; government "watch dog" agencies, employee personnel offices etc.,. I am referring to irrevocable infiltration of our personal security and our long term livelihood as we know it. Because of a little psychiatric test performance that resulted in a confirmed mental illness on the patient and prospective job applicant alike that consequently lead to it's subject(s) viewed as "damaged goods" by the hypothetical interviewer. Of course I favor a better and perhaps deserved rate for our hair treatment plan insofar that just for practical purposes alone, could ultimately motivate a higher morale and stronger work force. I believe it's important to note that this scenario comes with a non-refundable price. It's clearly no secret that our hair loss experience already carries it's societal taboo tattoo, couple that prejudicial struggle with societies tragic stigma toward mental illness(es)..,and bravely gaze thru the collective judgemental eyes of the ignorant /arrogant. In the end our heartfelt intentions may impinge on the most precious of our so-called inalienable rights.

sorry i got halfway through that and had to stop, I got the gist. You make things very wordy. Im not attacking you but half of what you say can be summed up in like 3 sentences if you would just drop the glasses, pipe and smoking jacket bit. I like you, I do, you add something but I just cant believe you are naturally being over linguistic aside just compensating somehow..... like "yeah Im bald but Im a PROFFESORRRRRRR!" (finger pointing up with arm extended). Im no dummy but reading your posts can just be work lol.

Anyway NO, your argument is slightly invalid because how many bald guys go to therapy anyway not to mention everything would be voluntary. Fat people have to give up the same info when they get passed through. Their diets, their exercise, what made them that way, if they can actually hold a diet after.... they get put through a ringer.
Plus Im not sure where you live but mental records are not privy to the workplace. All mental records, non criminal, are kept private by law. Maybe yes the gov will know but oh well, there is an insane number of people stigma'd with depression now anyway.