With All These Upcoming Treatments, How Likely Is It For Us Get Hair Like This

Swoop

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Cool beans. Thanks for confirming that Tsuji hasn't produced anything or given any evidence to support his claims, but I'm glad he has your confidence. I'll let you get back to Tsuji..

But yes, if you can't get the significance of pgd2, you do not understand the science. I get that you read abstracts and have the respect of social misfits here, but that does not make you an expert. In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

KO1:

"There are going to be so many angry neckbeards after Hillary wins. I can see the excuses already..."Election was rigged!", "Media won it for Hillary!". In the end result will be the same....Hillary will be POTUS and neckbeards will be neckbeards."

"You're right, Trump has a lot of support on an anonymous bald forum. Amazing! Meanwhile the rest of the country stands with Hillary."

"What kinds of excuses will Trumpa loompas make after he loses? I'm going with "everything is rigged!"

"If Trump becomes president, I will shave my head and post images on the internet."

"So apart from being a loser and a social misfit, you're a homophobe too"

"Don't take his opinion too seriously. Online forums tend to be filled with men who are fake macho internet tough guys with bizarre neo-nazi tendencies. They also tend to have some social problems, insecurity, and anger issues."

He had 50 other messages like this.

Well not to mention how many times you were on the wrong end about many times regarding things related to hair.

This one is appropriate brah;

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Guys like you are always comical.
 

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I've never "shitted" on Tsuji, just pointed out that there's no evidence to support the claims being made. You don't seem to grasp the difference. If he produces evidence, I'll change my opinion. Please stop PMSing.
 

KO1

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I did shave my head and post picture on the internet.

Btw, even though I supported Hillary, Trump is going to be very good for me and the rest of Wall Street. Lot of deregulation means we are going to do quite well.
 
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FoucaultII

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I did shave my head and post picture on the internet.
KO1, can't you see?
There ain't no point in engaging in discussion with individuals who have no intention of engaging in such.
Give it a rest.
Need we talk with people who idolize Putin?
Really, Putin?
Give it a rest, KO1.
 

Swoop

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I did shave my head and post picture on the internet.

You have little to no understanding of human behavior. That perfectly comes forward in this thread and with your messages about the election. Goddamn, I can't count the messages of you and how sure you were. Meanwhile you were calling names on everybody who didn't agree with you. Ironic, since you like to call everyone a social misfit. 1+1 = 3 to you.

Yes, you did shave your head. But that doesn't really count . Be a man and do it again in a few months?

KO1, can't you see?
There ain't no point in engaging in discussion with individuals who have no intention of engaging in such.
Give it a rest.
Need we talk with people who idolize Putin?
Really, Putin?
Give it a rest, KO1.

This is off topic. But who said that I idolize Putin? Clinton always loved to pull out the Russia (Putin) card on every occasion she could (lol). That doesn't make me exactly idolize Putin.
 

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As for Cotsarelis' words to Desmond. He was obviously BSing. He's not going (or even allowed) to give away sensitive, non-public information to people on online forums, nor does he owe it to us.

TL:DR - Tsuji has proven nothing, has presented no evidence, has made claims and promises about solving a significant roadblock, but without any data. Thanks for confirming, that's what I wanted to know.

So Cotsarelis doesn't have to give away sensitive, non-public information but Tsuji does?
 

KO1

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Here's the video from 2011 and almost 2017 and still nothing.

Yep Uwe Marx/Roland Lauster, the eternal promise. These are the guys being touted on the forums as the top tier? Complete clownshow.
 

KO1

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You have little to no understanding of human behavior. That perfectly comes forward in this thread and with your messages about the election. Goddamn, I can't count the messages of you and how sure you were. Meanwhile you were calling names on everybody who didn't agree with you. Ironic, since you like to call everyone a social misfit. 1+1 = 3 to you.

Yes, you did shave your head. But that doesn't really count . Be a man and do it again in a few months?



This is off topic. But who said that I idolize Putin? Clinton always loved to pull out the Russia (Putin) card on every occasion she could (lol). That doesn't make me exactly idolize Putin.

I will shave my head again. I actually like the look.
 

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Gents, I will explain why I am so critical. I'm an equity analyst at a bank covering early stage biotechs. I work with a team of PhDs, people who have published in journals like Nature, Blood, and Cell. My job is to evaluate companies much like Follica, Histogen, etc. (Albeit bigger). So forgive me if I am not impressed by Swoop or whoever the forum appoints as the local expert. Unfortunately Puretech is not US listed, so we don't cover it. But in the future, who knows?

There's a lot of things to look at, but a few things to keep in mind:
a) Is there significant published information that backs up the approach?
b) Has the process been investigated before? How has that approach worked out in the past?
c) If it has been trialed before, what's different this time?
d) What kind of data has the group published? Are clinical trials impressive enough to beat existing drugs? If it's preclinical, why do we think they'll be succesful?
e) Who's invested in their company? Is it good, knowledgeable investors?
f) Check the pedigree of the team, what kind of people are they attracting?

Follica hits pretty well, their process is simple and proven to grow hair since the 60s, problem is, their results have been pretty disappointing. Tsuji is working on an approach that's promising, but has been very difficult to master. He needs to prove that he has solved the roadblocks that have imperiled other teams in the past. Replicel - the less said the better.
 
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I have some hopes on Follica merely because they say they can create new follicles and if they actually can MASS PRODUCE, then it's a cure for any Norwood. And probably more simple and cheaper than getting a hair transplant, maybe just taking longer to grow.
But all their secretiveness puts me down a lot and I can't imagine how it would be easy to do so. I still can't picture how their process is gonna be. Hard to believe dermabrasion or microneedling (whatever it is they're gonna do) is gonna give optimal results.

I wanna believe I won't have to wait 5 years or more and spend more than $50k to get my hair back, but it's hard to keep being positive.
 

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I have some hopes on Follica merely because they say they can create new follicles and if they actually can MASS PRODUCE, then it's a cure for any Norwood. And probably more simple and cheaper than getting a hair transplant, maybe just taking longer to grow.
But all their secretiveness puts me down a lot and I can't imagine how it would be easy to do so. I still can't picture how their process is gonna be. Hard to believe dermabrasion or microneedling (whatever it is they're gonna do) is gonna give optimal results.

I wanna believe I won't have to wait 5 years or more and spend more than $50k to get my hair back, but it's hard to keep being positive.
You were given the chance to live.
That is very positive on its own, fella!
Hoping and keeping ourselves abreast are actually the only things we can do.
Stay positive, fella!
 

Swoop

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Gents, I will explain why I am so critical. I'm an equity analyst at a bank covering early stage biotechs. I work with a team of PhDs, people who have published in journals like Nature, Blood, and Cell. My job is to evaluate companies much like Follica, Histogen, etc. (Albeit bigger). So forgive me if I am not impressed by Swoop or whoever the forum appoints as the local expert. Unfortunately Puretech is not US listed, so we don't cover it. But in the future, who knows?

See here comes the "oh so" predictable argumentum ad verecundiam. A logical fallacy (appeal to authority). It is often a argument made by people who are in a weak position.

I always chuckle because of people like you. Dude sorry, but I'm not really impressed by what you do. I hope your parents are proud of you ;). There are millions of people who do it better than you. You are far from special mate, just like me.

I'm also far from a expert. But I clearly know a whole lot more than you, as evidenced by the things you have said. And I'm not a fool to acknowledge that other forums members are again more knowledgeable than me like for instance inbeforethecure.

Just recently you mentioned you know how minoxidil works, while no researcher would dare to say that. Not even Cotsarelis. Well the member I just mentioned schooled you so hard, you probably didn't even understand what he said.

I keep my eyes open and you clearly don't dude. You are pretty good at contradicting yourself in your messages too.

And yes Cotsarelis has talked much nonsense. The biggest testament of that is what he said to Desmond, it's highly unprofessional. Therefore it's hard to trust on his words. Just like Washenik.

Tsuji on the other hand has followed up on his promises. Doesn't talk nonsense. Perhaps his team makes bold predictions now, but we'll see if they indeed follow up on that. Thus far they did. That's being professional. We'll see.

Never did I say that he will succeed 100%, but it's the best thing that has happened in years.

His research method has simply the best chances of succeeding if that what he says is true.

And I like to rely on people who act in a professional manner. Thus far everything regarding Tsuji sounds and feels right.

And I can wholeheartedly tell you that almost every researcher will acknowledge that a method like Tsuji is the biggest promise. It is to no surprise that Christiano will move towards the same concept as Lauster and Tsuji.

But what do you know? You apparently have figured out how minoxidil works!

If you didn't know this original OP was about full reversal.

If you think Follica has better chances than someone like Tsuji for reversal then I pity you.

I can promise you that every high tier researcher that focuses in hair follicle biology would side with Tsuji his method.

Want to bet on this? Throw your dollars at me, son. We can ask them.

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It's just that when you answer all of the questions that he asks in that post, the answers are almost positives for Riken and many not-so-positive answers for his beloved Follica.

He is dwelling on the epithelial culturing and using this as basis for vicious skepticism while ignoring the following.

D) What kind of data has the group published? Are clinical trials impressive enough to beat existing drugs? If it's preclinical, why do we think they'll be successful?

Excellent data, all the way around. Certainly enough to beat existing drugs. It is preclinical, why do with think they'll be successful...

B) Has the process been investigated before? How has that approach worked out in the past?


Colin Jahoda, using a less sophisticated method, successfully grew follicles in his wife's arm nigh 20 years ago. Actually, a years-long trial Jahoda has been doing is set to conclude this month.

Actual experiments in humans, using decades-old methods, have been successful.

C) If it has been trialed before, what's different this time?

The epithelial/mesenchymal process. Others focused on the dermal papillae cells, primarily.

E) Who's invested in their company? Is it good, knowledgeable investors?


The Japanese government backs Riken and teamed up with them is one of Japan's most successful and largest electronics companies.


I just don't see how you can give favourable answers to literally all of his points, but he's in full-skeptic mode because Organ Tech's team has not yet released the info of how they plan to solve the epithelial problem. They have delivered on their promises thus far; that speaks favourably to questions D) and F) and they have said that their new research has presented solutions to this problem.

I am absolutely baffled, that despite this, he would cast such shade and doubt rather than just wait for the reputable team to present their findings and instead place praise on Follica, who are in far less favourable standing with his own criteria.

KO1 man, for your sake, I hope your employer never learns of this...
 

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That's not a fallacy - he's not stating his credentials in an unrelated field to garner respect for his opinion, he's providing relevant credentials to show that he has a professional skill that is relevant to the argument. If his job is to analyze start up biotech, then his opinion is relevant.

What are your credentials? You say things like "I can wholeheartedly yell you that almost every researcher will...," "his research method has simple the best chances...," "I can promise you that every high tier researcher that focuses on hair follicle biology would..." etc. What evidence do YOU have to make such statements of certainty? You sound unhinged.

If you argue that you know how minoxidil works, I already know you are not an expert, and simply haven't read any studies at all. Pure ignorance in play here. It goes against the consensus in the field. Is that so hard to understand? It's insane to say such a thing.

But that's the thing, he hasn't even read any studies at all. He is nowhere near a somewhat deep level understanding of Androgenetic Alopecia. Probably doesn't even know much about basic hair follicle biology.

My credentials? Garbage man, is that ok for you?

Just recently I was challenged to prove that most researchers deem Androgenetic Alopecia to be irreversible. We asked them and they did side with me.

And I have no evidence but I'm highly confident that researchers will side with me on this stance. There is little to argue otherwise from a a scientific standpoint and these guys actually do have proper knowledge.

So I'm challenging him on this one. Let him throw his Wall Street money at me. We can find out :).
 

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@occulus

Credentials ain't really in play here. Observations are in play here. Observations heavily support Tsuji his method over Follica their method.

There is no hard in-vivo evidence of the creation of scalp hair follicles through wounding apart from a case report N=1 of the BBQ guy.

Only on the body itself, but scalp hair follicles are different.

On the other hands observations do heavily support Tsuji his method. The hair follicle cells itself have shown to be able to regenerate new brand functional scalp hair follicles.

Toscani et al

Higgins

Aardon Gardner (BTH topic)

Jahoda

ETC.

That simple. Thus the majority of research will side with Tsuji his method, since observations support the method way more. Pretty simple isn't it?

And you really think, I care that you call me unhinged :D? Have seen too many guys like you over the years. Trust me lol!

Science isn't about credentials you ignorant fool.
 

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"I don't believe any of this stuff is going to work no matter what you tell or show me. I also like the look when I shave my head and think balding is no big deal, but I still post as a registered member on a forum dedicated to hairloss and finding a cure for it." — Everybody in the naysaying circlejerk
 
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