Young guys: doesnt this piss you off?

[Tyler_Durden]

The difference here is that while I constantly specify that my views are only my opinion (and that of others) you guys state it like it's fact, as if you have a complete knowledge and understanding of every possible pathway, cellular response, genetic and epigenetic possibility, variation and change, AR response, etc. The body is astoundingly complex. Now, I do believe that in your 2 cases (mpbsux and s.a.f) it was probably just very sensitive follicles or active ARs. But that doesn't mean that's true for everyone. You could never base a scientific study on only 2 individuals and the same applies here.

I stopped one guys male pattern baldness by telling him to stop drinking lots of green tea, and lo and behold it stopped. The body is complex but not beyond understanding

Funny that.... maybe it's because it is?

Crazy huh?

Just as a side note, is there an ignore feature on this forum? I can't remember ever reading one of your posts and thinking it was worthwhile, it's all just hogwash every time.

 

[RP3X]

bugs me right off also, when I was in my teens I "thought" im not gonna smoke/drink and eat healthy fruit/veg and drink plenty water that way by the time im 30 or 35 ill be still look young and have a full head of hair....

Then I grew up :woot:

Should have lived my life like a 18 year old Rebel

It does not help when I grow my hair out longer and even women at work say I look so much younger and better..... sadly having longer hair just makes my hair loss alot worser lol

Lifes so Cruel :hump:

 

[s.a.f]

bugs me right off also, when I was in my teens I "thought" im not gonna smoke/drink and eat healthy fruit/veg and drink plenty water that way by the time im 30 or 35 ill be still look young and have a full head of hair....

Then I grew up :woot:

Should have lived my life like a 18 year old Rebel

It does not help when I grow my hair out longer and even women at work say I look so much younger and better..... sadly having longer hair just makes my hair loss alot worser lol

Lifes so Cruel :hump:

At 19 I could'nt pass for 15 in the eyes of some people, and suddenly this young kid was balding So I went straight from teenager to old man.
And yeah as a teenager I even stayed away from using hair products to try and keep my hair healthy. Hoping to dodge the family curse.
Whatever Hoppi ect say there is nothing that tops genetics. Hairloss is determined from birth.

 

[Hoppi]

I don't mind opinion differences, it's part of life isn't it? And of course I do agree that it's heavily genetic.

Anyway, yeah it is a harsh thing HOWEVER I think if you beat it then you get all the fun of confusing people who are not "in the know"! lol ^^

 

[Chris87]

The difference here is that while I constantly specify that my views are only my opinion (and that of others) you guys state it like it's fact, as if you have a complete knowledge and understanding of every possible pathway, cellular response, genetic and epigenetic possibility, variation and change, AR response, etc. The body is astoundingly complex. Now, I do believe that in your 2 cases (mpbsux and s.a.f) it was probably just very sensitive follicles or active ARs. But that doesn't mean that's true for everyone. You could never base a scientific study on only 2 individuals and the same applies here.

I stopped one guys male pattern baldness by telling him to stop drinking lots of green tea, and lo and behold it stopped. The body is complex but not beyond understanding

Um...i thought green tea was technically good for you and for hair loss because it lowers stress related chemicals in the body like cortisol...

I've only been on this board a short time..and maybe its just me but...it seems like every post i read from Hoppi is how he has found some random "cure" for losing hair. Like in some hair loss science lab somewhere they're reading Hoppi's posts and are like "By God, I think hes got it!!! Quit drinking green tea and stop jerking off!!!! Doctor call the media immediately! We've found the cure!!" haha

Yes there are types of hair loss that can be stopped and reversed by changing things in your diet or whatever, but I think those are the minority and they're extreme cases. For the most part, if your hair is sensitive to DHT..it is sensitive to DHT and theres nothing much you can do to change that fact...besides blocking the DHT. You can eat fruits and vegetables til you turn green..you can excercise constantly..you can do yoga..you can quit jerking off..you can down bottles of saw palmetto..you can eat vitamins until you piss neon yellow...but its not going to do much if you're genetically supposed to lose your hair. I see homeless guys who probably havent eaten in 2 days..they're dirty.....they're smoking a cigarette...they probably have some drug or alcohol problem..and they have a full head of hair

 

[Hoppi]

Green tea can lower as much insulin and cortisol as it wants but it still increases DHT...

 

[kthxbi]

bably think the same way that a lot of people on here think

"Gosh, Im eternally fat, oh well, i guess ill never score hot chicks"

this argument kinda annoys me. fat people can stop eating and theyll get thin. bald people can hope to maybe treat their hairloss but never really get it sorted out permanently. not the same at all.


edit: oh, and...

I don't mind opinion differences, it's part of life isn't it? And of course I do agree that it's heavily genetic.

ive always bitten my tongue but man, you need to leave. i can't work out if you're some kind of genius troll or just a complete moron but you seem to completely miss the fact that scientific evidence proves almost all, if not all of your theories wrong. what are you going for?

 

[Nene]

I don't mind opinion differences, it's part of life isn't it? And of course I do agree that it's heavily genetic.

Anyway, yeah it is a harsh thing HOWEVER I think if you beat it then you get all the fun of confusing people who are not "in the know"! lol ^^

Hoppi it's not a difference of opinion, it's science vs myth.

 

[Chris87]

My opinion is that Hoppi is just going through a stage of denial

I remember when I first started losing at my temples (i've only been losing for about 1.5 years and its been very slow and not too bad so far mind you) I went through an initial period of denial where I was just like "ok, maybe it'll stop..maybe its just the way i've been eating or something or maybe its just stress" so I ignored it for a couple months.

Then after I realized ok...maybe its not stress related...I decided to do something about it. I figured "ok i'll go the natural route..maybe there are supplements I can take, or vitamins or whatever that will make this stop...i'm only 22 and I dont really have hair loss in my family especially not early hair loss" so I started doing research...started popping saw palmetto all the time...taking lots of vitamins...fish oil...even doing ridiculous things like combing my hair every night and laying over my bad with my head hanging toward the floor because i had read that doing these things would increase blood flow to the scalp and therefor help with hairloss. Then when these things didnt work I decided to drop $500 on the laser comb figuring ok..the completely natural remedies didnt work...this seems to be harmless..no drugs involved or anything so i'll try this..hoping that it would do what it said it would do, which is halt my hair loss and regrow hair. As many of you know THAT didnt work either.

Part of my resistance to trying things like minoxidil or finasteride was, I always thought minoxidil, and especially finasteride, were for guys who had lost lots of hair (ya know..real bald guys..not guys like me!! :whistle: ). Plus I didnt want to go the un-natural route. Finally over the past few months I've realized that the only things that are going to work are things that have been proven to work by science, as well as by users....things such as finasteride, minoxidil and nizoral. I've since stopped popping vitamins and saw pawlmetto (which did absolutely nothing at all)...stopped using the stupid laser comb..stopped trying out all the ridiculous remedies you read about...stopped spending hundreds of dollars on any supplement I read about that had claims that it helped stop hair loss (saw palmetto, vitamins, nettle root, i mean all types of stuff I bought haha)

Now i'm on minoxidil, nizoral..and i have an appointment on thursday to see a doctor about finasteride. So i think there is some denial with people who think they've found "the cure" or found some method others dont know of yet that involves natural remedies or not jerking off (yup tried that too...pretty much all I got was added aggression lol)...People (including myself at times) even convince themselves that its making a difference.

Stick with the stuff that WORKS and that we KNOW works. Trust me...if there were a natural sort of remedy that really REALLY worked..people would be ALL OVER IT

 

[GeminiX]

Interesting theory, I can even relate to part of it

Hoppi however, has already tried Finasteride; he claims it made him go deaf or something so he threw it out of a window.

 

[Hoppi]

The funny thing is that because I'm studying Anthropology I learn about people who have all kinds of different views that may seem absurd to us. But everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone is entitled to be open-minded. The joke is I'm not even really making this point about this specifically anymore, just the overall principle that in life you can't expect to agree with everyone and you need to be tolerant of those with different views.

For the record there are entire forums out there with lots of people who go the health route and who often claim great success (again, I cannot verify their claims but am merely open-minded). The scientific community as far as I am aware does not really know precisely what changes (at a cellular level) to trigger hair loss, all the things that up or down-regulate androgen receptors, and I for one don't know why in studies prostate size correlates accurately with male pattern baldness severity in older guys.

Without knowledge of these things, how can you possibly come to definite conclusions? Being open minded and analytical is the trick it seems to many things in life

 

[acvfan]

Interesting thread. I say never never never trust a pharmaceutical route. I did the Rogain thing in my early 30's- what a waste of money. I stopped after a year because I read that just like any drug, your body becomes immune to it, and it stops working. I overcame BPH problems by finding natural solutions- not surrendering myself to Flomax for the rest of my life like the doctor wanted me to. I've shared already about what has been working great for me. Everyone needs to read, research, and never give up trying to find what works for them. Don't trust anyone--find out for yourself! You are the only you you'll ever have. (PS- I have some buddies who have a native american relative not more that 3 generations away-- they have unbelievably thick and beautiful hair. Sigh.)

 

[cuebald]

I tried Apple Cider Vinegar and it did nothing but smell bad.

What Norwood are you Hoppi? Last time you posted a picture you were a Norwood 1.5 - I don't even think you have male pattern baldness?

 

[GeminiX]

Interesting thread. I say never never never trust a pharmaceutical route. I did the Rogain thing in my early 30's- what a waste of money. I stopped after a year because I read that just like any drug, your body becomes immune to it, and it stops working. I overcame BPH problems by finding natural solutions- not surrendering myself to Flomax for the rest of my life like the doctor wanted me to. I've shared already about what has been working great for me. Everyone needs to read, research, and never give up trying to find what works for them. Don't trust anyone--find out for yourself! You are the only you you'll ever have. (PS- I have some buddies who have a native american relative not more that 3 generations away-- they have unbelievably thick and beautiful hair. Sigh.)

Nice idea in a fantasy world, however in the real world for most people (and by most, I mean *everyone I've ever seen) that approach means losing irreplacable years chasing rainbows while their hair gets progressively worse.

Sure, we get the occasional shill or dreamer who pops on and claims to have cured hairloss with cabbage leaves or something, but they *never* give any evidence other than the usual "trust me" lol.

I don't have many rules in life, but one I stick to is *NEVER* trust anyone who says "trust me" but won't back it up with proof, it's a rule which has yet to lead me astray.

Curiously, I've been on a very similar regimen for years, according to my medical team and regular blood tests (i.e. trained medical professionals, not random forum posters) I've not become "immune" to a single thing I take.

I'll stick with stuff that actually works thanks

As an aside, why are you so keen to push your approach and convince people it's brilliant, yet so reluctant to give any evidence it works? Surely if your miracle cure was so wonderful, you would be more than happy to back it up with evidence.

 

[Hoppi]

I tried Apple Cider Vinegar and it did nothing but smell bad.

What Norwood are you Hoppi? Last time you posted a picture you were a Norwood 1.5 - I don't even think you have male pattern baldness?

My hair is thinning very diffusely over the norwood region and less so at the sides (but still a little). My hairline is very slowly receding back compared to how much the top area has thinned. There doesn't seem to be any sign that my crown is thinning faster than the rest of the area (signs of a bald spot) but I haven't checked there in ages lol, only with my fingers to make sure the hair seems to cover things evenly!

I understand why people say this person is only a Norwood 1.5 or 2 and then think they can't possibly be losing hair and must just have a "mature" hairline, but diffuse thinning seems to be reasonably common and that is the case with me (I also had dandruff etc accompanying it until I started using Nizoral and T-Gel - that cleared it up pretty fast!).

Because my body hair increase accompanied my loss of scalp hair and because nizoral doesn't seem to do much to stop my shedding despite the dandruff dropping to pretty much zero (and the fact I had no increase in "oiliness" to speak of) I am pretty sure that androgens pure and simple are my driving force behind losing hair (but choose to look further into how this happened exactly). That's why I am going for stuff like Eucapil and RU and stuff now, as it seems to be the most direct course of action, whether or not I come up with any bright ideas in future lol

 

[reckless]

The thing that pisses me off as a 27 year old who is losing hair is when I see 40 - 55 year olds with better hair than me. That's the ultimate.

It would be so much more fair if everyone had good hair up til 40 and then went bald.