Zinc Deficency may cause early onset of male pattern baldness

[everysixseconds]

hi guys, i read the following in some biology journal at uni:

basically, it hypothesised that early onset of male pattern baldness (i.e. under 20s) could be due to the excretion of too much zinc in semen. zinc is an inhibtor of 5AR and may regulate its activity. It said that most men do not get enough zinc to replenish whats lost in semen (IF the male is having sex everyday), hence more DHT is produced.

It did stress that the follicles had to be genetically coded to be susecptible to DHT, so this theory does not hold true for all males.


i dunno. any truth in this???

 

[jfhawk06]

sounds plausible....but once again, just a "piece" to the male pattern baldness puzzle.

 

[Atlas]

my derm had me taking zinc pills, a lack of zinc in the body can lead to hairloss. Don't know if theres a link to male pattern baldness though.

 

[Brandon Mthson]

Hmm, I'm going to start taking zinc. Everysixseconds, if you could get the name and date of the journal, that would really be awesome.

 

[chewbaca]

there might be a link....maybe this si where the Masturbation and hair loss theory originated from.....

 

[WADA]

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[20sometingtoo]

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/lifestyle/heal ... 1_4-2.html


Check out the Zinc and Sperm section.

 

[everysixseconds]

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/lifestyle/healthfitness/menshealth/part1_4-2.html


Check out the Zinc and Sperm section.

hey guys,

MY God. this could be right. a couple of years ago, when i didnt have hairloss and didnt masturabte at all, id have wet dreams once a week or so. that meant that my circulating zinc levels we're okay since id have the rest of the week to replenish what was lost. But since 2 years ago id do the do once a day, and didnt take zinc supplements. this meant i didnt have enough zinc? this meant i initaited my male pattern baldness? dammit. why didt they teach this at school. ugh. even the docs dont say anything about this.

im really sorry, but we've broken up for the summer and i cant really get that journal from uni now.

 

[20sometingtoo]

This doesnt necessarily mean that lowering the amount of Zinc in your system via frequent sex or masturbation means that you will increase your chances of an early onset of male pattern baldness.

Somehow if it were that simple I think the cure to male pattern baldness would have been discovered many, many, many years ago.

 

[everysixseconds]

This doesnt necessarily mean that lowering the amount of Zinc in your system via frequent sex or masturbation means that you will increase your chances of an early onset of male pattern baldness.

Somehow if it were that simple I think the cure to male pattern baldness would have been discovered many, many, many years ago.

i so hope to GOD you are right.

 

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hi guys, i read the following in some biology journal at uni:

basically, it hypothesised that early onset of male pattern baldness (i.e. under 20s) could be due to the excretion of too much zinc in semen. zinc is an inhibtor of 5AR and may regulate its activity. It said that most men do not get enough zinc to replenish whats lost in semen (IF the male is having sex everyday), hence more DHT is produced.

It did stress that the follicles had to be genetically coded to be susecptible to DHT, so this theory does not hold true for all males.


i dunno. any truth in this???

theories theories :roll:

in the uk and (as far as I know) most of europe (americans fill in your own details here) the plumbing system is copper (tubes, juctions etc). In particular the UK has been running it water through copper since Victorian times.

OK, so far so good....

copper is an antagonist towards zinc (and visa versa), that means the more zinc your body has accepted the less copper it can take (and visa versa) (they use similar recpetors on the cell wall)

this copper pipe effect is so prominent that the UK daily allowence for zinc take the plumbing into account.

my point.....


the loss of zinc from a life time of copper ingestion throws the wank loss ' theory into cold light.

it is bullshit.

 

[everysixseconds]

hi guys, i read the following in some biology journal at uni:

basically, it hypothesised that early onset of male pattern baldness (i.e. under 20s) could be due to the excretion of too much zinc in semen. zinc is an inhibtor of 5AR and may regulate its activity. It said that most men do not get enough zinc to replenish whats lost in semen (IF the male is having sex everyday), hence more DHT is produced.

It did stress that the follicles had to be genetically coded to be susecptible to DHT, so this theory does not hold true for all males.


i dunno. any truth in this???

theories theories :roll:

in the uk and (as far as I know) most of europe (americans fill in your own details here) the plumbing system is copper (tubes, juctions etc). In particular the UK has been running it water through copper since Victorian times.

OK, so far so good....

copper is an antagonist towards zinc (and visa versa), that means the more zinc your body has accepted the less copper it can take (and visa versa) (they use similar recpetors on the cell wall)

this copper pipe effect is so prominent that the UK daily allowence for zinc take the plumbing into account.

my point.....


the loss of zinc from a life time of copper ingestion throws the wank loss ' theory into cold light.

it is bullshit.

okay, so from what my simple mind can understand, your saying that becuase we have such a high intake of copper, most of the population at large suffers from zinc deficincy? BUT most of the population at large does NOT suffer from male pattern baldness, right? hence, that theory can be disregarded.

is that what your saying? sorry, i dont want to be puttin words in your mouth.

thanks!!

 

[Bismarck]

hi guys, i read the following in some biology journal at uni:

basically, it hypothesised that early onset of male pattern baldness (i.e. under 20s) could be due to the excretion of too much zinc in semen. zinc is an inhibtor of 5AR and may regulate its activity. It said that most men do not get enough zinc to replenish whats lost in semen (IF the male is having sex everyday), hence more DHT is produced.

It did stress that the follicles had to be genetically coded to be susecptible to DHT, so this theory does not hold true for all males.


i dunno. any truth in this???

theories theories :roll:

in the uk and (as far as I know) most of europe (americans fill in your own details here) the plumbing system is copper (tubes, juctions etc). In particular the UK has been running it water through copper since Victorian times.

OK, so far so good....

copper is an antagonist towards zinc (and visa versa), that means the more zinc your body has accepted the less copper it can take (and visa versa) (they use similar recpetors on the cell wall)

this copper pipe effect is so prominent that the UK daily allowence for zinc take the plumbing into account.

my point.....


the loss of zinc from a life time of copper ingestion throws the wank loss ' theory into cold light.

it is bullshit.

English water triggers male pattern baldness ?

 

[Brandon Mthson]

It might not be so simple. For all we know, cities that don't use copper pipes could actually have more hair. If Zinc is actually an inhibitor of 5AR (like Finasteride is), it seems like it's perfectly possible having more than enough Zinc in your system could have a positive influence on male pattern baldness. Zinc is also something good to be taking anyway:

Zinc metal is included in most proprietary over-the-counter daily vitamin and mineral preparations. Along with some other metals, it is believed by some to possess anti-oxidant properties, which protect against premature aging of the skin and muscles of the body. In larger amounts, taken as zinc alone in other proprietaries, it is believed by some to speed up the healing process after an injury.

Best, Brandon

 

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okay, so from what my simple mind can understand, your saying that becuase we have such a high intake of copper, most of the population at large suffers from zinc deficincy? BUT most of the population at large does NOT suffer from male pattern baldness, right? hence, that theory can be disregarded.

is that what your saying? sorry, i dont want to be puttin words in your mouth.

thanks!!

yep, that is pretty much what I was saying.

 

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English water triggers male pattern baldness ?

 

[WADA]

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[Brandon Mthson]

I have wondered if sexual activity, specifically ejaculation, can have an effect on the speed of hair loss. I think sexual activity does cause increased levels of androgens (male hormones) in the body.

 

[20sometingtoo]

Sorry guys, this mastrubation/sex theory has been discussed MANY times here on the boards. I think its a joke, and heres why:

If it were as simple as that, then simply poppin' a zinc supplement once a day would solve the problem. We know thats not the case.

For guys at least - there might be something to the theory for women. I dont know anything about estrogen.

 

[everysixseconds]

before i start, i would like to apologise for beings the devils advocate!

i think the theory was regarding a more niche issue of male pattern baldness - the onset. sure, many men have the genetic pre-disposition for male pattern baldness. that is what unboubtedly causes hairloss. however, what this theory was on about was "the trigger" for early onset. of course, there will be men who can engage in as much sexual activity as they wish, but will never experience early onset becuase they dont have the genetic pre-disposition for it. However, they will go on to experince male pattern baldness later in life. There will also be people who never experience male pattern baldness in their entire life again because there is no genetic pre-disposition. and there will be men who have the genetic pre-disposition for early onset but its not triggered until much later in life. why is that?

And, finally, there will be people who have the genetic pre-disposition for early onset, which of course may be triggered by the elevated levels of testosterone in the body from the outset of puberty or it may be combined with zinc deficiency. Zinc deficency maybe a result of an inadequate diet or as a result of zinc leeching through frequent sexual activity (and where zinc levels are not replenished fully).

We gotta appreciate that there is a mechanism for male pattern baldness which is not yet fully understood, so really we cant afford to discount the sexual activity theory.

ooh, and quick question, why is it that after engaging in sexual activity one day 1, you feel horny again on day 2. assuming you refrain from ejaculating, your horniness tends to wear down and a few days later your really not so horny any more. what is the chemistry that underpins this?

my theory: Zinc is an inhibitor of 5AR. On day two, your body is lacking in zinc due to the sexual activity on day 1, so 5AR is not inhibited as much, so DHT levels rise, causing you to feel horny. on subsequent days, as you ingest more and retain more zinc, 5AR activity is curbed, allowing you to feel less horny. DHT is largely responsible for sex drive.

so its clear large amounts of zinc (1/3 of RDA) are leeched from the body in ejaculate. Scientific fact - zinc is an inhibitor of 5AR. large amounts of zinc are also known to raise testosterone levels, possibly by inhibiting 5AR, and elevating testosterone levels by this virtue. its logical right?