Zit Wash?

Redbone

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I have had zits on my back for about 18 years though they have died down since I past thirty years. I am using Neutrogena body scrub its ok. Can anyone suggest a better cleanser that would kill back zits or at least help dry them up a bit. I also work out 4 days a week and the swett aids in zit growth to. Heard of things like Cetaphil etc... working pretty good.

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I found that chocolate, soda, and a lot of refined sugar can worsen acne. Maybe you should look at some diet changes. Oral tetracycline and minocen (spell?) worked for me and I even did 2 cycles of accutane. I think the accutane may have eventually nixed it for me. I have also suspected that the proscar helped and I stay away from the above foods. All of this is speculation though. I used to wash my face with...........I think it was a prescription bactericidal.............physoderm?? Not sure. I know there is one by script and one over the counter, they have similar names. Also, I found that uv light via the sun or a tanning bed helps a lot. And (I'll stop in a min.) drink a lot of water, a lot. Good luck.
 

Redbone

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Thanks for the advice, I dont eat sugar anymore due to diet. Those friggin zits seem to be settling down as the third month of Propecia sets in. Someone on here told me to pop 1000mg of Pantothenic acid a day said it worked great.

thanks- man I fuckin hate zits.
 

x5o

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Anytime. I just did another post about acne. Can't remember what thread. If you pull my posts you can find it.
 

20something

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Wanted to clear some things up here:

- Proactive's acne solution is based on benzoil peroxide, which you can find over the counter. Not sure how their body wash fares, but their 3-step system is in my opinion a rip-off, and I would stay away from their products in general.

http://www.cbc.ca/streetcents/archives/guide/2001/01/s02-02.html

- There is no clinical evidence that acne and diet are related. However, an individual's skin is a reflection of their inner health so eating healthy is a good idea. Also, it is possible that certain foods will cause you to break out (and this varies from person to person), so if you find that's the case - avoid them.

- Sun is bad for your skin. Period. It may give you the appearance of better skin due to tanning and because the sun dries your skin, but you'll usually rebound afterwards. Plus the whole skin cancer thing...

- There's a lot of talk of Pantothenic acid (B5) to control acne, and some people take anywhere up to 10 grams (yes 10,000mg!) a day. There's little clinic evidence that this works, but many people swear by it and it's basically an 'unproven treatment'. Note that the recommended dosage is 10mg. Reported sides of long term high-dose B5 supplements are diarrhea, sensitivity to teeth etc.

- Body acne (back/chest etc) can be hard to treat because of the impracticality of using topicals. Anitibiotics can be used in moderate cases, and accutane in more severe or resistant cases. There's also a relatively new laser therapy (smoothbeam) that has gone through FDA approval and achieves a 98% reduction in back acne with remission times exceed 6 - 12 months (no data past that as it's so new).
 

The Gardener

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Hey Red,

Try Phisoderm, over the counter. If that doesn't work, there is a prescription strength soap with the same active chemical called Phisohex that should end the problem.
 

cyberprimate

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There is no clinical evidence that acne and diet are related.

And there is no clinical evidence they're not. Each time i eat fried food i get spots the day after. This is not coincidental. It always happens. And my face actually stopped looking like a battle field after i changed my diet radically, about 10 years ago. No cow milk product, no fried food, less sweet food. And more fresh foods like cucumbers, etc... I had tried everything before that including accutane twice. Acne always came back.
 

20something

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khai said:
And there is no clinical evidence they're not. Each time i eat fried food i get spots the day after. This is not coincidental. It always happens. And my face actually stopped looking like a battle field after i changed my diet radically, about 10 years ago. No cow milk product, no fried food, less sweet food. And more fresh foods like cucumbers, etc... I had tried everything before that including accutane twice. Acne always came back.

I'm not refuting this. All I was pointing out was that diet is not a direct correlation to acne in everyone. For some people changing diet does wonders. For others, it does nothing. But having a healthy diet is no doubt a good idea regardless.
 

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20something said:
khai said:
And there is no clinical evidence they're not. Each time i eat fried food i get spots the day after. This is not coincidental. It always happens. And my face actually stopped looking like a battle field after i changed my diet radically, about 10 years ago. No cow milk product, no fried food, less sweet food. And more fresh foods like cucumbers, etc... I had tried everything before that including accutane twice. Acne always came back.

I'm not refuting this. All I was pointing out was that diet is not a direct correlation to acne in everyone. For some people changing diet does wonders. For others, it does nothing. But having a healthy diet is no doubt a good idea regardless.

Diet did nothing for me. Accutane destroyed all acne.
 

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Accutane can do wonders if you stick it out through the wicked treatment. I had terrible peeling and an initial outbreak which was expected. I was lucky that I did not experience an increase in hair loss which is a common side effect. Thank God for a few tender mercies! I believe it permanently shrank my overactive sebacious glands. However I do get an occasional zit but nothing like before when on any given day I would have at least 2 zits blaring at me from somewhere on my face. I had super resistant acne but not full face breakouts. Like I said, into my twenties, I was still getting painful, hard cysts under my skin. Always had at least two somewhere on my face. As a teenager it was horrible, as a working professional it was even worse. Don't think I ever got a deep cyst after the accutane and I used physoderm and physohex until I started the proscar.

As far as diet is concerned I think there is some clinical data/evidence relative to iodine (iodides) in chocolate. I'll try to find out. I can say from my experience that excessive chocolate, soda, and coffee can lead to zits for me.

20something made a blanket statement about sunlight not being good for you............simply NOT TRUE, young man! UV light is essential for health. Lots of medical documentation relative to that. You might want to re-phrase your sentence to say that excessive ultra violet light is not good for you. Moderation is the key when it comes to UV light. And it can, in fact, improve some skin conditions. Lots of medical documentation on this as well.
 

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excellent post x5o
 

Redbone

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Thanks for all the info, Thanks Gardener for the Phiso tip, I will grab some today, if that doesn't do the trick I will get the script version as I am seeing my derm for my 6mo appointment in March.

Body Zits suck, they hurt like hell and are ugly as cream filled soares on a toades back.
 

20something

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x5o said:
20something made a blanket statement about sunlight not being good for you............simply NOT TRUE, young man! UV light is essential for health. Lots of medical documentation relative to that.

I'd be interested in reading any articles you have seen re: that. Every derm. I've talked to has flat out told me sun is the skin's enemy. Sunlight exposure and skin damage is a cummulative effect. Here's one article that talks about UV light:

http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/diseases/skin_cancer.html
 

The Gardener

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20something,

I agree with you. I'm dating a dermo assistant and she has not only changed my personal skin care regime (which I REALLY have to tell you all about in a future post!) but she has got me wearing sunscreen every day.

Sun exposure is bad for your skin, period. BUT, it is GOOD for the body to be exposed to sunLIGHT every day... that is, to get outside every day and enjoy fresh, sunlit days. She recommends eating lunch outdoors every day that I can, despite wearing the sunblock, because this outdoor sun exposure, albeit protected exposure, every day, helps the body keep its internal clock set and is crucial in the internal production of certain substances that keep us healthy.

In effect, sunlight exposure is GOOD, but you always have to protect yourself from UVs.
 

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Redbone said:
Thanks for all the info, Thanks Gardener for the Phiso tip, I will grab some today, if that doesn't do the trick I will get the script version as I am seeing my derm for my 6mo appointment in March.

Body Zits suck, they hurt like hell and are ugly as cream filled soares on a toades back.

I love when you pop one and it bleeds for 24 hours.
 

Axon

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The Gardener said:
20something,

I agree with you. I'm dating a dermo assistant and she has not only changed my personal skin care regime (which I REALLY have to tell you all about in a future post!) but she has got me wearing sunscreen every day.

Sun exposure is bad for your skin, period. BUT, it is GOOD for the body to be exposed to sunLIGHT every day... that is, to get outside every day and enjoy fresh, sunlit days. She recommends eating lunch outdoors every day that I can, despite wearing the sunblock, because this outdoor sun exposure, albeit protected exposure, every day, helps the body keep its internal clock set and is crucial in the internal production of certain substances that keep us healthy.

In effect, sunlight exposure is GOOD, but you always have to protect yourself from UVs.

Please share the info bro! I'm real interested in skin care, I want to reduce my leftover scars and blemishes.
 

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I think the best, easiest thing you can for your skin is to use (or change) your moisterizer to one that has at least SPF15. Neutrogena and cetaphil make good ones.

Axon - if the scars you're referring to are just red marks they will fade with time. You might want to consider something like retin-a that will help speed this up and also prevent new blemishes from forming.
 

The Gardener

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Axon said:
Please share the info bro! I'm real interested in skin care, I want to reduce my leftover scars and blemishes.

Hey Axon... Believe it or not, she recommends washing your face with SOAP and water twice a day. No, not just any soap, like Ivory, but with a mild soap with a ph level that is simlar to that of the skin or something like that... whatever. I just asked her to recommend one, and she told me to try the Lever 2000 moisture response. I then told her, why a normal soap like Lever? I have always been told that using normal soap on your face dries and strips the skin of oil. She said that it is true that it does. But, you need to keep your skin clean and you need to break up the bad skin oil and dirt that accumulates on it. There is NO product, despite what labels say, that ONLY takes off the dirt and bad skin oil, and leaves the good oils on the skin. So called "moisturizing facial soaps" will indeed leave your face moisturized, but don't get rid of the accumulated oil and dirt in the skin and, in effect, just add more oil to the skin.

After the soap and water wash, she says follow up with a cold water rinse. Then, apply alpha hydroxy acid product. They can be found over the counter in formulations all the way up to 10%, which is the max that the FDA allows. She bought me a product that has 10%, and I use it twice a day. The product can be bought in different carrier substances, lotion or cream and you have to find the right carrier substance that works with your skin type. Test it before hand to make sure you don't react to it... I can tell you from personal experience that this sh*t starts to sting after a while, but after about 4 weeks of it my face looks f*****g fantastic. AHA is, in effect, the same stuff used in chemical peels, it is an exfoliant. By using a mild 10% amount every day it constantly exfoliates the skin and increases the cell turnover, making the face look younger.

In the mornings, after AHA, I apply a sunscreen SPF 15. You really need to do this if you use AHA because the AHA makes your skin VERY sensitive to sun exposure and you can FEEL it when you are out under the rays. In the evenings, I just apply the AHA and I'm done.

If your skin is really bad, which mine is not but as I get older it might get worse, she recommends getting a prescription for Retinol 5% from a dermo. The Retinol 5% would be used in the evenings instead of the AHA, and would be applied to the wrinkled or more damaged areas... along with an all-over application of it a couple times a month. Some over the counter products say they have retinol in them. They are bs products. As opposed to the AHA which IS effective at over the counter formulations, the over the counter formulation of retinol will not do any good, you would have to get it from a dermo.
 

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Just to shed some *light* on all of this paranoia about the sun. Four and a half billion years of ongoing research have proven one thing conclusively............we would all be dead without sunlight - the source of all life on our planet. New research indicates that it may be riskier for most people to avoid sunlight than to tan moderately. FACT - Overall cancer rates are higher in sun-deprived areas of the world and decline significantly as one gets closer to the equater. And if you are going to use sunscreen, you should be aware of this - research has shown that PABA which is found in many popular sunscreens reacts with UV light and can create cancerous compounds. There are sunscreens that do not contain PABA that would probably be a wiser choice. The ones without PABA reflect the UV rays similar to the way that zinc oxide does.
 
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