Are DHT Inhibitors necessary?

[Bryan]

Sure post it since I have no idea what alt,baldspot is

Alt.baldspot is the Usenet newsgroup (Usenet is probably the very earliest part of the Internet) that's devoted to hair loss and its treatment. I started reading and posting on it (along with scads of other people) around 1995. That newsgroup existed long before gourmetstylewellness.com, HLH, Hairsite, and the other Web sites.

I have that list on another computer which isn't turned on at the moment. Give me some time, and I'll grab the list and post it again in this thread.

The study hasn't been done becase his stuff works NO BETTER THAN ROGAINE FOAM if even as good

Dr. Proctor has MADE A POINT of talking about the cases of his patients who responded to Proxiphen, but didn't respond to the common treatments like Propecia and Rogaine. He has said (or implied) a number of times that he doesn't think that minoxidil is a particularly important part of Proxiphen. He apparently thinks the most effective ingredients in it are the "turbo-charged" SODs like PBN, TEMPO/TEMPOL. etc. It's obvious that Proxiphen contains high-tech stuff that you don't even know about!

 

[HT55]

Dr. Proctor has MADE A POINT of talking about the cases of his patients who responded to Proxiphen, but didn't respond to the common treatments like Propecia and Rogaine. He has said (or implied) a number of times that he doesn't think that minoxidil is a particularly important part of Proxiphen. He apparently thinks the most effective ingredients in it are the "turbo-charged" SODs like PBN, TEMPO/TEMPOL. etc. It's obvious that Proxiphen contains high-tech stuff that you don't even know about!

And let me guess, you know all about the high tech stuff, I mean as his salesman you should right or are you a Proctor groupie ?

Maybe Dr Proctor should buy a CAMERA !

 

[Bryan]

Maybe Dr Proctor should buy a CAMERA !

He _did_ buy a camera. He's the one who took those photos of my baldspot.

 

[HT55]

Maybe Dr Proctor should buy a CAMERA !

He _did_ buy a camera. He's the one who took those photos of my baldspot.

But yet he can't find more than 2 phots for his website, lol

 

[Bryan]

But yet he can't find any newer and better phots for the web.

Those three photos of that guy I mentioned before are simply astonishing! In fact, I've posted before that it's probably NOT a good idea for him to have those at all on his site, because the people who use Proxiphen but aren't really amazing responders like that one guy are going to be disappointed and mad! The poor guy (Dr. Proctor) is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't! :dunno:

Anyway if all you ever used was his OTC product you may have swayed me, I confuse the 2 products since they are so close in name

I'm glad to hear you say that.

 

[HT55]

But yet he can't find any newer and better phots for the web.

Those three photos of that guy I mentioned before are simply astonishing! In fact, I've posted before that it's probably NOT a good idea for him to have those at all on his site, because the people who use Proxiphen but aren't really amazing responders like that one guy are going to be disappointed and mad! The poor guy (Dr. Proctor) is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't! :dunno:

Anyway if all you ever used was his OTC product you may have swayed me, I confuse the 2 products since they are so close in name

I'm glad to hear you say that.

I wasn't serious, I just found it strange how you never say you used proxiphen and other minoxidil products and was baiting you to tell me

 

[Bryan]

I wasn't serious, I just found it strange how you never say you used proxiphen and other minoxidil products and was baiting you to tell me

LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU, DUDE: during the 2-year period of those photos, I used ONLY Prox-n (which doesn't contain minoxidil) and NANO shampoo. AFTER that 2-year period covered by those photos, I started experimenting with other substances, including Proxiphen and minoxidil. How many times do I have to repeat this?

 

[HT55]

I wasn't serious, I just found it strange how you never say you used proxiphen and other minoxidil products and was baiting you to tell me

LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU, DUDE: during the 2-year period of those photos, I used ONLY Prox-n (which doesn't contain minoxidil) and NANO shampoo. AFTER that 2-year period covered by those photos, I started experimenting with other substances, including Proxiphen and minoxidil. How many times do I have to repeat this?

YOU NEVER SAID BEFORE YOU USED PROXIPHEN AND minoxidil at any time, I could care less about your unimpressive 2 year photos what happened when you added the ALMIGHTY PROXIPHEN ?

ANSWER THAT !

 

[Bryan]

YOU NEVER SAID BEFORE YOU USED PROXIPHEN AND minoxidil at any time...

I've been talking about my use of Prox-N, NANO shampoo, Proxiphen, Rogaine, linoleic acid, 11a-hydroxyprogesterone, Retin-A, green tea extracts, and other things for YEARS on this and other hairloss sites. The fact that you obviously haven't seen those other posts of mine is YOUR problem, not mine. In any event, my point still stands: Prox-N is a good treatment for male pattern baldness, as you can see in my photos. It brought my balding to a complete stop for more than 2 years (actually, it did a bit MORE than just bring it to a stop).

I could care less about your unimpressive 2 year photos what happened when you added the ALMIGHTY PROXIPHEN ?

ANSWER THAT !

As I've already told you, I don't have any photos for that period, so I can't say for sure. But I don't doubt that Proxiphen helped me a bit more still.

 

[HT55]

I could care less about your unimpressive 2 year photos what happened when you added the ALMIGHTY PROXIPHEN ?

ANSWER THAT !

As I've already told you, I don't have any photos for that period, so I can't say for sure. But I don't doubt that Proxiphen helped me a bit more still.

Oh yea because people who suffer from hair loss ALWAYS STOP TAKING PRODUCTS THAT GROW HAIR

 

[Bryan]

It's obvious that I've made my points solidly, because you're replies are just getting more and more troll-like.

 

[HT55]

It's obvious that I've made my points solidly, because you're replies are just getting more and more troll-like.

Yes in other words you have no proof his product works so your taking your ball and going home.

Later paid shill

 

[HT55]

One of my favorites reposted from alt.baldspot.

Dr. P inducted into the Snakeoilian Institute Options

We here at the Snakeoilian Institute are proud to induct Dr. Proctor
for his endless efforts in ripping off hairloss sufferers with his
useless product Proxiphen. Proctor has worked tirelessly to mislead
and over-price his product and has succeeded in not only crushing the
hopes of hairloss sufferers but also making a serious dent in their
wallets.

We here at the Snakeoilian Institute could not make a prouder
induction. In a field inundated with new-commers such as Revivogen and
FNS, only Proctor is worthy of this recognition due to his longevity
in the snakeoil field.


Proctor is known for making some incredible claims such as, "Proxiphen
isn't any better than Propecia", an ambiguous yet effective snakeoil
sales-pitch because we all know there is no hair count data from the
testing of Proxiphen. Or the ever famous quote, "Dutasteride is a
little better than Propecia". A brilliant snakeoil tactic of
downplaying a proven effective treatment that is not on the market yet
thereby confusing hairloss sufferers and continuing sales of his
untested, unproven Proxiphen.


Proctor has even recruited the likes of Bryan Shelton to continue his
misinformation campaign. This self-appointed "expert" has even
convinced some that Proxy n works by posting his pics.

Now any sane, clear-thinking, logical person can see that after 2
years of Proxiphen there are absolutely no results, no regrowth to
speak of, but we at the Snakeoilian applaud Proctor and Bryan's
efforts, in the snakeoil field we always say that if you say it works,
people will believe you regardless of the picture evidence and the
fact that it has never been tested.


We congratulate Proctor on the incredible profits he has made, In
Proctor's words, "Proxiphen isn't any better than Propecia" but the
profits of Proxiphen sure are, 2 years of Propecia costs only $600!


Finally, we would like to recognize Proctor for his most bizarre yet
effective snakeoil selling sales-pitch, "There are so many products
that grow hair", clearly Proxi n does not, but he has succeeded in
making a profit on the confusion, desperation and suffering of
hairloss sufferers.


We at the Snakeoilian Institute, feeling our recognition is not
enough, have reserved a wonderful place in hell for Dr. Proctor where
he can enjoy the company of the Dark Lord himself as well as bask in
the flames of perdition with snakeoilers from throughout existence.

Dr. Proctor, your friends and family should be very proud!


Welcome to the Snakeoilian Institute!

 

[HT55]

Bryan Shelton, pushing Proctors snake oil since 1997, and he has used all his products including proxiphen.

Bryan is not your usual hair loss sufferer, when he finds a product "he says" works he stops using it, in other words the guy telling you to use Proctors product won't even buy them himself !

Read all about Bryan pushing proctors products since 1997

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=proxi ... net&rnum=6

 

[Petchsky]

I can confirm that Bryan had photos on this site from using 'prox n' showing maintenance and some regrowth.

I don't think Bryan is a troll, simply offering up an alternative treatment when the big 3 are not an option, or have failed to work.

Whether Proxiphen really works is still a mystery to me as it's too expensive for me to bother trying it.

 

[HT55]

I can confirm that Bryan had photos on this site from using 'prox n' showing maintenance and some regrowth.

I don't think Bryan is a troll, simply offering up an alternative treatment when the big 3 are not an option, or have failed to work.

First his photos do not show what most people would think is a success, he turned his 2" baldspot into a 1 15/16" baldspot, virtually no improvement.

Bryan is not offering up an alternative for people who don't respond to the big 3, he says Proxiphen works BETTER than Propecia which is total BS.

Bryan lives in the same city as Dr Proctor and has been hyping his products for over 15 years.

 

[HT55]

My question is simple though: is Propecia/a DHT inhibitor necessary to fight back against hair loss?

Dr. Proctor said a few years ago on alt.baldspot that his prescription Proxiphen (a topical product with numerous ingredients) is "unquestionably more effective than finasteride alone". I have no reason to doubt his honesty and judgement. Proxiphen isn't cheap, though.

But yet you have no problem posting his product is "UNQUESTIONABLY more effective than finasteride alone" when you admit you have an issue with him saying it's only "more effective"



Quote from Bryan


"No, read what I say more carefully. When he says that Proxiphen is more effective than any other treatment out there, I _do_ find that claim to be a little broad and excessive,

 

[Petchsky]

I can confirm that Bryan had photos on this site from using 'prox n' showing maintenance and some regrowth.

I don't think Bryan is a troll, simply offering up an alternative treatment when the big 3 are not an option, or have failed to work.

First his photos do not show what most people would think is a success, he turned his 2" baldspot into a 1 15/16" baldspot, virtually no improvement.

Bryan is not offering up an alternative for people who don't respond to the big 3, he says Proxiphen works BETTER than Propecia which is total BS.

Bryan lives in the same city as Dr Proctor and has been hyping his products for over 15 years.

But his hairloss did not get worse, maintenance is success imo, depending on your objective. Also Bryan is saying his success came from Proxy N, not proxiphen.

From what I have read, Bryan is quoting Dr Proctor as saying "Proxiphen works BETTER than Propecia" although you could say that by repeating this he is giving this statement credence.

I seriously doubt it's as good as propecia, that's a unsubstanciated claim. I think Bryan is more cheerleading for Dr Proctor, as he respects his opinion.