Castoril Oil Reduces Testosterone Levels - Hair Loss Treatment?

[Blackber]

They were fed with castor seeds, not castor oil. The castor seeds include "ricin", which is not in castor oil Ricin is famous as the toxin frequently used in Breaking Bad.

This made me laugh lol.

 

[Giiizmo]

Yes I do. Permament testosterone decrease.

Study: http://iasj.net/iasj?func=fulltext&aId=29703

Thanks for the link, it's an interesting study but as David_MPN pointed out, I doubt it applies to us.

The seeds of Ricinus communis are commonly crushed to extract castor oil. As ricin is not oil-soluble, little is found in the extracted castor oil.[10] The extracted oil is also heated to more than 80 °C to denature any ricin that may be present.[10]Deaths from ingesting castor plant seeds are rare, partly because of their indigestible capsule, and because the body can, although only with difficulty, digest ricin.[6]

Furthermore, it appears castor oil is safe enough for consumption. One could speculate that any kind of long-term adverse effect on the reproductive system would at least appear as anecdotal evidence.

In the food industry, castor oil (food grade) is used in food additives, flavorings, candy (e.g., polyglycerol polyricinoleate or PGPR in chocolate),[7] as a mold inhibitor, and in packaging. Polyoxyethylated castor oil (e.g., Kolliphor EL)[8] is also used in the food industries.[9]

In India, Pakistan and Nepal food grains are preserved by the application of castor oil. It stops rice, wheat, and pulses from rotting. For example, the legume pigeon pea is commonly available coated in oil for extended storage.

The United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has categorized castor oil as "generally recognized as safe and effective" (GRASE) for over-the-counter use as a laxative with its major site of action the small intestine where it is digested into ricinoleic acid.[10]

Here's the only link - of dubious credibility might I add - that talks in details about castor oil being a contraceptive, mainly for women.
http://eng.castor-oils.com/News/197714.htm

I think it's safe to say that if you can tolerate the mild adverse effects of castor oil, it doesn't hurt to ingest minute quantities (1-2 ml) in the hope of achieving a modest effect on hair growth.

 

[SuicidalTraveler]

Thanks for the link, it's an interesting study but as David_MPN pointed out, I doubt it applies to us.

Furthermore, it appears castor oil is safe enough for consumption. One could speculate that any kind of long-term adverse effect on the reproductive system would at least appear as anecdotal evidence.



Here's the only link - of dubious credibility might I add - that talks in details about castor oil being a contraceptive, mainly for women.
http://eng.castor-oils.com/News/197714.htm

I think it's safe to say that if you can tolerate the mild adverse effects of castor oil, it doesn't hurt to ingest minute quantities (1-2 ml) in the hope of achieving a modest effect on hair growth.

Good post, yet I experience feminizing effects from castor oil. Swollen nipples (mild gyno), feminizing effects, balls ache, balls shrinkage, muscle loss, etc.

 

[SuicidalTraveler]

Thanks for the link, it's an interesting study but as David_MPN pointed out, I doubt it applies to us.




Furthermore, it appears castor oil is safe enough for consumption. One could speculate that any kind of long-term adverse effect on the reproductive system would at least appear as anecdotal evidence.



Here's the only link - of dubious credibility might I add - that talks in details about castor oil being a contraceptive, mainly for women.
http://eng.castor-oils.com/News/197714.htm

I think it's safe to say that if you can tolerate the mild adverse effects of castor oil, it doesn't hurt to ingest minute quantities (1-2 ml) in the hope of achieving a modest effect on hair growth.

Also check this study about castor oil out:

Oral Ricinus communis oil exposure at different stages
of pregnancy impaired hormonal, lipids profile and
histopathology of reproductive organs in Wistar rats

http://www.academicjournals.org/journal/JMPR/article-full-text-pdf/467EC6A48944

I can say by my experience that it strongly influences your hormones.

 

[SuicidalTraveler]

I'm just worried whether low T from castor oil is reversible or not.

 

[SuicidalTraveler]

The use of ricino-
leic acid as contraceptive jelly in folk medicine had ear-
lier been reported [1]. It was therefore possible that
ricinoleic acid had a spermicidal capacity, and probably
exerted this effect on spermatozoa in the testis and epid-
idymis via inhibition of steroidogenesis.

Castor Oil is 90% ricinoleic acid...

 

[hilbert]

Castor Oil is 90% ricinoleic acid...

unfortunately we're not rats... if the murine experiments would apply to us, then we could regrow hair from a lot of compounds...

don't underestimate your symptoms by finding an easy (but probably wrong) scapegoat in castor oil.

 

[SuicidalTraveler]

unfortunately we're not rats... if the murine experiments would apply to us, then we could regrow hair from a lot of compounds...

don't underestimate your symptoms by finding an easy (but probably wrong) scapegoat in castor oil.

Yeah and humans use it as contraceptive...... And castor oil hurts the rabbits reproductive system too.

You see the link?

 

[hilbert]

Yeah and humans use it as contraceptive...... And castor oil hurts the rabbits reproductive system too.

You see the link?

castor oil contraceptive? i missed this... male or female, and which amount?

 

[bags]

Yeah and humans use it as contraceptive...... And castor oil hurts the rabbits reproductive system too.

You see the link?

Hey Suicide, what else were you taking besides the Castor Oil you tried. I began taking it topically every night and letting it soak in the scalp for 3 hours. I got off of my natural DHT inhibitors 3 weeks ago and have been doing just Castor Oil application while I wait for my Seti.

I have noticed since coming of the DHT blockers Ive already began leaning out again and regaining strength and stamina in the gym. I have NOT however noticed any side effects from the castor oil.

Then again I only apply around 2ml every night with coconut and argon oil mixed in......

I would like to know what else you are on when you were taking Castor Oil, if your honest about it Im sure we can pin point exactly what may have you feeling like you are low on testosterone. I used to think I had low Testosterone as well until I got blood work done showing that my T levels were fine. This was when I went to get my serum DHT levels checked which were low, as I expected. It was at this time I did research after 2 years of being on a herbal DHT blocker that DHT is a GOD particle in the gym.

What I thought was a lack of Testosterone was actually a lack of DHT.

As for these studies there are too many variables to take into consideration, first of all as many have said; if everything that work or affected animals like rats, mice and rabbits worked on us humans we would have a cure for everything by now. Does anyone have a link to the study on mice saying how much C.OIl was given to them during the experiment? 2 ml on a mouse, orally, daily, is not going to effect us in anyway like it will a mouse.

 

[Giiizmo]

I'm just worried whether low T from castor oil is reversible or not.

From the study linked in the first post:

Conclusion: RCE has a reversible negative impact on male reproductive functions, which appears to be mediated via gonadal disruption in testosterone secretion.

If castor oil indeed lowers testosterone in humans, it seems things go back to normal once the inhibition is stopped.

If you think castor oil is having a deleterious effect on your health, try stopping it for a month or two and see how you react.

 

[SuicidalTraveler]

Hey Suicide, what else were you taking besides the Castor Oil you tried. I began taking it topically every night and letting it soak in the scalp for 3 hours. I got off of my natural DHT inhibitors 3 weeks ago and have been doing just Castor Oil application while I wait for my Seti.

I have noticed since coming of the DHT blockers Ive already began leaning out again and regaining strength and stamina in the gym. I have NOT however noticed any side effects from the castor oil.

Then again I only apply around 2ml every night with coconut and argon oil mixed in......

I would like to know what else you are on when you were taking Castor Oil, if your honest about it Im sure we can pin point exactly what may have you feeling like you are low on testosterone. I used to think I had low Testosterone as well until I got blood work done showing that my T levels were fine. This was when I went to get my serum DHT levels checked which were low, as I expected. It was at this time I did research after 2 years of being on a herbal DHT blocker that DHT is a GOD particle in the gym.

What I thought was a lack of Testosterone was actually a lack of DHT.

As for these studies there are too many variables to take into consideration, first of all as many have said; if everything that work or affected animals like rats, mice and rabbits worked on us humans we would have a cure for everything by now. Does anyone have a link to the study on mice saying how much C.OIl was given to them during the experiment? 2 ml on a mouse, orally, daily, is not going to effect us in anyway like it will a mouse.

Hey thanks for your support. Unfortunately I took it orally and experienced those side effects. I don't think that it's harmful topically at all.

I wish there would be a clear study about what is going on with castor oil. Some report permament damage, others say it's reversible but testis stayed shrunken. Then you read about contraceptive and abortion reports on Google. Really confusing. Mentally you always tend to believe the negative happened.

And they gave 20mg/kg the mouse, which is 1.5g (1.5ml) for a 75 kg man.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Regardless of my criticism, this thread has motivated me to throw my remaining castor oil in the trash can.

I will still use a topical castor oil + zinc oxide cream on my upper back, for acne.

But I won't be using oral castor oil anymore. I don't know about these studies. And I don't know how pure castor oil vs castor seeds are and what goes where. I also know that if castor oil has a positive effect on hair loss then it is likely the case that it interacts with hormones in some way.

If finasteride were found on a plant in the rainforest, it would cause the same side effects.

By consuming oral castor oil, I was fetishizing the natural, and thus engaging in irrational behaviour.

I'm done.

 

[alebaba]

Been taking castor oil for about 7 months now, no sides at all.

 

[bags]

Note: I edited my 2nd last paragraph for those who read my Routine already.

Alright guys. Warning. This is going to be long and informative about how to go about Increasing your PGE2 and Blocking your PGD2 naturally. This will most likely only be good for those just starting to thin out like myself, who still have a lot of hair.

As most of you know I was looking into getting Seti into Canada for a group buy to go along with my current Castor Oil treatment. I had not really looked much into Seti Side Effects (I know how f*****g stupid of me lol) until Sunday when I decided to check out some of the potential issues that could arise. I was so gung hoe on getting anything that would work (even though I'm still a NW1 and I have both mild OCD and I am a Hypochondriac) that I didn't even bother to see if Seti could have negative sides as it was an Asthma Medication so I just told myself "how bad could it be". Well, most of the common sides that could occur are not that bad I guess.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/3c5u03/introduction_and_overview_on_setipiprant_a/

"That said, the side-effects reported in trials were: dry mouth, nausea, somnolence, hepatic enzyme elevation, and anxiety. A more serious side effect reported was cholelithiasis. Apart from the cholelithiasis, these side-effects all line up with the expected results of inhibiting PGD2; this study was very small, however, but the fact that no sexual side effects were reported is a great sign setipiprant is a more targeted treatment for hairless."

So I guess the worst thing that could happen that they know about so far is Gall Stones in the Bladder (cholelithiasis). Now I have never had stones of any kind but I sure a sh*t don't ever want to find out how they feel lol. Again, My lifestyle is as clean as it gets. Vegan, Gluten Free, No Soy, Soak all my starches to remove the Phytic Acids, All Organic GMO-Free.... blah blah you get the point. So taking the SETI route was a big step out of character for me. Again I really love my hair sooo desperate times desperate....... exactly.

Anyways after finding these things out I began to loose my sh*t. Literally. So I spent the majority of my waking time since Sunday researching the living sh*t out of the internet for a solution to our problems. Now I don't consume soy because I seem to have a somewhat of an allergic reaction to it. Nausea. And this is where things get interesting.

I have been taking a natural DHT blocker for 2 years over which period I began to fatigue and get all of the symptoms of what I thought was low Testosterone aka I felt like b**ch. It turns out that my symptoms were a result of low DHT. Some of the ingredients were Phyto Estrogens and Soy. Now this supplement didn't stop my hair from shedding completely but my hair felt noticeably thicker and shed less than it did when I was off the supplement. I hated taking it since day once since it contained Soy but again desperate times......

My point regarding Soy and Phytoestrogens is that as a Vegan I know all to well how Vegans like to boast that Plant Protein mixed in the right combination create complete amino acids and are just as biologically available as animal proteins. Which is true. It takes a lot more work then cooking up a slab of meat and to me it is worth it. To each his own. However, Vegans are the worst when it comes to defending Soy and other Phytoestrogens. How the f*** are you going to say that Plant Protein Carbs and Fats will get broken down by the body like animal sources. But Plant Phytoestrogens and Soy will not effect our estrogen??? Thats the biggest hypocritical logic I have ever seen pushed b Vegan Nazis.

This brings me to my next point. Castor Oil. I stopped the DHT blocker 3 weeks ago now and have been rubbing in Castor Oil every night. As of a few days ago with a dropper to measure out 1 ML. I have noticed C.OIL mixed with Coconut Oil my hair has stopped falling out almost completely with daily application. My hair is noticeably thicker than even with the DHT pills and my hair looks healthier and shinier.

However, I have noticed a few side effects in terms of my reaction to the Castor Oil application. I have not experienced any feminizing effects however I have been feeling Nausea as I do when I consume Miso, Tofu, and other Soy Foods etc etc. Was unaware as to why this could be…. So I did more research and found out that Castor is a Form of ……….. you guessed it. SOY! f***!

So long story short I have complied a list of ingredients that I suggest you all give a try before jumping on the Pharma stuff “If you want”. Again, this will probably only help early stage thinners but I do not see this growing back a full head of hair. Again I could be dead wrong but I don’t see Natural products working like Pharmaceuticals to give you Swiss Temples results in 4 weeks haha. That is what you call an Extreme Measure.

So, as for the PGE2 Protagonist you guys need to be using Oils Topically on the Scalp. Which oil to use you ask? Well I found out that the only Oils out there that are Phyto Estrogen free are Citrus Oils. Yes, Citrus Oils have been known to be PGE2 Protagonists. They also contain NO Estrogens. (Im purging all sources of Estrogen from my life as I am getting back into beast mode lol).

There is a substance called Limonene which is a natural agent that has strong evidence showing it could be a PGE2 protagonist. Google to find out more. I will be replacing my Castor Oil with Limonene immediately. Also if you are going to use other base oils to Limonene so that you have more Oil to spread around your hair make sure you research which Oils are Phytoesrtogenic. To my surprise many oils of many kinds are Estrogenic in nature including Peppermint, Tea Tree, Lavender etc etc. Here is a article on basically all essential oils except the citrus family having some degree of estrogen.

http://e-oils.blogspot.ca/2013/10/estrogen-dominance-and-using-essential.html

To summarize the first part. I will be using only citrus oils and Limonene from now on as my PGE2 Protagonists. I am more than confident that they will yield the same results as the Castor Oil I have been using. Limonene also has no listed side effects and is considered safe in Food Amounts by Web MD.

Now onto the natural replacements for Setipiprant. I have seen on a few other fourms over the last past year people have recently been trying a varying degree of what I am about to suggest. There have been no in-depth follow ups or reports on how people are doing that I could find mainly because I didn’t bother looking lol. However I did research the crap out of every Ingredient I am out to suggest trying as I will be starting all of these here immediately.

Resveratrol. Found in Grapes, Onions and other natural foods is an anti aging supplement that has been proven to reduce cellular ageing and increasing the life span of Telomeres. Increases Testosterone, protects against heart disease, cancer etc etc etc

Anyways this is the article most of you will care about.

http://www.resveratrolnews.com/attention-all-balding-males-resveratrol-your-rescue/520/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24813642

Here is a link to the brand I’m going to be trying.

https://www.amazon.ca/Resveratrol-P...05151&sr=8-1&keywords=resveratrol+supplements

Next up is Quercetin. Not well digest through the stomach so it is best to dissolve this in water, then add the citrus oils and apply topically

https://www.*************.com/threads/12124-Homemade-PGD2-Inhibitor

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18831918

EDIT: I am also going to be dissolving L-Cysteine into the oil mixture.

Another supplement to try is Luteolin (another PGD2 inhibitor) however I am not going to be using this to start as I believe that the Limonene, Orange Oil, Quercetin and Resveratrol will be more than enough to solve my problems. Google Luteolin if you would like more information.

So to summarize this is going to be what I try before moving forwards with the Seti Order which I most likely/hopefully will not even have to do.

*** I will be taking the Resveratrol 1 Pill of 500MG with a glass full of Hot Water, Turmeric and Black Pepper. Turmeric is huge anti estrogen and anti aromatase herb that increases the absorption of Resveratol (the curcumin in Turmeric actually does that but….). The black pepper makes the Turmeric 2000% more absorbed than Turmeric by its self. So essentially I will be creating a synergistic effects between all 3.

*** I will be mixing Rosemary Oil with Orange oil and some Coconut Oil (as I have just re-searched and it seems like coconut oil has no Estrogenic effects). Then mix in the Quercetin powder and N-Acetyl L-Cysteine on low heat just to melt it all together; and apply topically to scalp for 20 minutes. Well, I won’t be doing the rubbing but……… lmao. And let it sit for 2 hours minimum.

I will look more into Luteolin as I just found it while I was typing up this article but for now Im pretty set on the above. Glad I did all this before jumping on a $5000 order of Seti lol. I hope you guys looking for some safe and effective methods out there find use from this. Sorry to the Seti crew, if sh*t really hit the fan ( I doubt it will by the way I respond to naturally treatments all the time) then Ill let you know.

Cheers.

 

[SuicidalTraveler]

Been taking castor oil for about 7 months now, no sides at all.

Do you still produce sperm?

 

[Giiizmo]

Bags, you're probably aware of it but if not, you might find the table under "Possible future treatments" interesting.

http://swisstemples.com/what-to-buy-and-use/

 

[bags]

Bags, you're probably aware of it but if not, you might find the table under "Possible future treatments" interesting.

http://swisstemples.com/what-to-buy-and-use/

Damn eh, no I have not seen that thanks. So damn.... So much conflicting information. SO many sources say Lemonene has worked for them and lots of products for hair loss contain it. But I just researched the cAMP angle and damn. If thats the case then I will be switching the Lemonene for Rosmary Oil which is also Anti-Estrogenic.

As for the Resveratrol Im still going to be supplementing with that just for over all good health and in the hopes it works to reduce PGD2 as a few studies have shown.

I found that Luteolin has reduced scalp PGD2 by 85% and 100% in two studies. I will potentially consider that, however from my understanding Im probably getting a lot through the amount of broccoli and greens I eat. The Quercetin has the same effect so I will see how it goes.

Once I get all the supplies I'm going to get a hair cut and take pics of before and after. Be warned that you will think I am off my f*****g rocker for even thinking I have anything to worry about by the amount of hair on my head. But as it is my hair I can tell you I am starting down the path that leads to much worse. A few years ago I had the hair of pre pubescent child lmaoo!!

 

[bags]

Good news I got the Orange, Rosemary and Coconut Oil. The Acetyl L Cysteine and the Quercetin. The only thing I need now is the Resveratrol which I just ordered. So I will start the oils tonight. Get a haircut tomorrow and see how she goes. Once the Resveratrol shows up ill be taking that orally with the Tumeric and Pepper. Ill start the Tumeric and Pepper tonight as well just for their anti estrogen properties.

Since I stopped the Castor Oil 2 days ago my hair was shedding again this morning. Hopefully after tonights oil application we see the same if not better results than Castor Oil provided! Wish me luck !!!

 

[SuicidalTraveler]

Anyone has more informations about castor oil's feminizing effects?