DHT is a Factor; NOT THE CAUSE

[freakout]

Sebum issues is the joker in the complication and has nothing to do with DHT or Androgenetic Alopecia

IS sensitivity to DHT the real "CAUSE" of male baldness as the term "androgenetic" (Androgenetic Alopecia) implies?

That's what we've been told for decades and that's what we will be told for at least a decade more even if they already knew the real cause two decades ago. Say thanks to the "medical" community and to the hypnotized balding men who will echo the belief for the next twenty years.

 

[freakout]

Primers: I Broke the Mystery of Male Pattern Baldness

Without a doubt, male hormones are involved. But their involvement goes as far as inherent factors in a more complex mechanism. It simply means that getting rid of them would influence the development of male pattern baldness e.g. castration, antihormones, etc

 

[freakout]

Primers: I Broke the Mystery of Male Pattern Baldness

DHT is like the fuel of an airplane. Draining it prevents an airplane from flying but at least no one will ever die because the plane will never crash.

Blaming DHT is like blaming the hostage in a hostage situation.

DHT is like the water in a lake. Draining the lake prevents drowning but also destroys the eco system.

 

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Primers: I Broke the Mystery of Male Pattern Baldness

Finasteride treatments allows you to drive the airplane like a car but at least you won't crash from the sky.

Finasteride treatments is like solving the hostage situation by shooting the hostage.

Finasteride treatments is like putting a fence around the lake so no one drowns but wild life dehydrates and may die.

 

[freakout]

Primers: I Broke the Mystery of Male Pattern Baldness

But is sensitivity to DHT the root CAUSE? Not necessarily because that is very much subject for debate - a topic that some sectors with vested interests would rather keep quiet about. Why?

A $1 billion-a-year worth of revenues sits on the flimsy simplistic equation: androgen + genes = male pattern baldness. If this equation is proven to be junk science, those revenues could potentially disappear in the blink of the giants' mono-eye.

So, the giants deploy sentries to various communities,including the internet, to protect the belief in this equation even at huge costs. These sentries will sometimes contradict themselves just to argue with you regardless of your theory's viability.

Sentries are easy to spot: they seem to do nothing else but defend the Androgenetic (Androgenetic Alopecia) theory and state over and over that scalp hair follicles are sensitive to androgens in spite of this study.

 

[freakout]

Primers: I Broke the Mystery of Male Pattern Baldness

If androgenetics is junk science, what's the real equation?

Drop the genes. Genes play a minor role in male pattern baldness while true genetic disorders are rare.

androgen + mystery = male pattern baldness is the true equation.

Are hair follicles sensitive to this mysterious factor? Hell yes and NOT androgens. So what's the role of androgens?? Androgens cause this mysterious factor to fluctuate.

Rogaine works to address this mysterious factor - not androgens, not genes. But Rogaine needs help to make it more effective.

 

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Primers: I Broke the Mystery of Male Pattern Baldness

Has this mysterious factor been mentioned in the forums? Hell yes. It comes and goes and never gets much notice because nobody seems to know how to deal with it.

This VIP mystery should get all the support it needs to stop male pattern baldness dead cold, with or without the help of Rogaine.

Unfortunately, this mystery can be affected by a host of other, albeit adverse, mysteries. In fact, some men can be affected by two or more of these adversities which makes finasteride not so effective or not effective in some cases.

 

[freakout]

Primers: I Broke the Mystery of Male Pattern Baldness

I think I found mine (which I believe affect most guys) and I need to work with someone who has the same regimen as I have to see if two or more of us will make any progress.

 

[Spanishlad]

DHT is not the cause of hair loss everyone has DHT in their body but not everyone loses their hair. Its down to genetics and how sensitive your hair is to DHT.

 

[Hoppi]

I believe DHT is the main cause for me. My body hair has increased since my digestive problems started at the same rate my scalp hair has thinned (roughly). Therefore I believe that it was an increase in androgenic activity throughout my body that caused my hair loss, due to an increase in liver toxicity

I just wish I could actually FIX it now that's all...

 

[123000123]

What on earth are you talking about?

It's not really about "cause". male pattern baldness is not a disease. You don't really say something "causes" you to get blue eyes, or what "causes" you to be short, or what "causes" when your hair will grey, or what "causes" how many wrinkles you will get.

2 things are needed for male pattern baldness:

1. Androgen-sensitive hair follicles due to genetic predisposition
2. Androgens (male sex hormones: testosterone/DHT)

 

[Bryan]

2 things are needed for male pattern baldness:

1. Androgen-sensitive hair follicles due to genetic predisposition
2. Androgens (male sex hormones: testosterone/DHT)

Excellent post! It probably won't do any good, though, because of the peculiar beliefs of the Original Poster. As that saying goes: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink!"

 

[Bryan]

What happens to make an individual scalp hair follicle's androgen receptor become "sensitive" to hormons it may have been exposed to for decades? Cells do not know chronological time (I know you know this) there must be some chemical marker that lights up the receptor. Perhaps another factor we can learn to manipulate...or perhaps...the cause!

???

I don't think the increase in sensitivity to androgens by androgen receptors is even much of an issue. I think the increase in sensitivity to androgens by hair follicles is the important issue. I think there's far too much discussion of androgen receptors, and not nearly enough discussion of hair follicles.

 

[Hoppi]

It still shocks me that guys think they are immune to hormonal imbalance. Girls get polycystic ovary syndrome and we get male pattern ba... I MEAN! Nothing, we get nothing at all we are hormonally perfect at all times. Keep buying finasteride. lol

 

[123000123]

What happens to make an individual scalp hair follicle's androgen receptor become "sensitive" to hormons it may have been exposed to for decades?

I'm not sure of the answer to that. I think 2 possible reasons:

1. Puberty (where testosterone levels increase greatly)
2. Again, genetic predisposition - it's simply built in to our genetic structure that after a certain length of time being exposed to androgens, androgen-sensitive hair will begin to miniturise, with the length of time and the degree to which both depending on our genetics). Why does hair start to grey at a certain age?

Why does it have to be a specific event that has to trigger the sensitivity?

 

[freakout]

Don't twist the meaning of this reply! I am not saying it is not a factor! I am not saying finasteride. or dutasteride. are not effective. DHT is a factor that we can manipulate in order to gain desireable results...... if results are all you are after (for most, it is). But they are not a cure, because DHT is not the sole cause. If it is "the cause" why aren't all scientific treatments focused on androgens? Is Follica trying to manipulate DHT? Histogen? Aderens? Also, just having the balding gene also does not mean you will develope male pattern baldness. Something has to trigger the expression of that gene within individual scalp hair follicles. the cause!

THANK YOU idontwanttobebalding. I hope there are more of you on this forum!!
Where is S Foote anyway??

This thread is NOT open to debate. We already know what the proponents of Androgenetic Alopecia have been saying. WE ARE NOT DISPUTING Androgenetic Alopecia, at lleast not totally. Except that it's junk science.

 

[Bryan]

OK....take out the part about receptors. My point is still valid, there are other factors than just the presence of androgens. I think you agree with this.

Of course I do! I've only been saying that for YEARS. Why do we have to keep going over and over and over that fact? :dunno:

I'm interested in the subject of causation. DHT is a primary factor. Androgens must be present, there is no doubt. Does it act alone as the cause of male pattern baldness. No it does not.

Of course not. It's an individual's scalp hair follicles' sensitivity to androgens (how badly those hair follicles are suppressed by androgens) which determines whether or not he'll go bald (assuming he has a rather typical level of androgens in his body, of course). Must we dwell on the obvious?

 

[freakout]

what "causes" when your hair will grey, or what "causes" how many wrinkles you will get. )

In identical twins, one got wirnkles very much earlier for 'loving the sun" to much she also got skin cancer.

Two things are needed for male pattern baldness:
1. Androgen-sensitive hair follicles due to genetic predisposition
2. Androgens (male sex hormones: testosterone/DHT)

That is what is refered to by research scientists as 'false positives'. If you ignore other findings, that becomes junk science.

(I edited the first few posts to fix the wordings and fit the arguments)
If androgenetics is junk science, what's the real equation?

Genes play a minor role.

androgen + mystery = male pattern baldness is the true equation.

Are hair follicles sensitive to this mysterious factor? Hell yes and not androgens. So what's the role of androgens?? Androgens cause this mysterious factor to fluctuate.

 

[mykal_P]

I think this guy chillin has the right path to the unknown
http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?16220-Reasons-for-Male-Pattern-Baldness/page2

 

[freakout]

I Broke the Mystery of Male Pattern Baldness

You're a funny guy. I thought you were getting into Mercado's position.

Now, it appears you're still wrapped up into biochemistry. Look at the Table of Contents

Do you see any word about biochemicals aside from androgens? There is none. But he is a physiologists and you see the word physiological there. My regimen say "Physiological Countermeasures".

It means the 'therapy' is not even a therapy. It's none-pharmacological; no-diet approach. It also means non-primal living. Counter means countering the effects of androgens phyiologically - NOT biochemically.

Do you also remember when I said hormones primarily function at the physiological level?