DHT test results: Absolutely Shocked, Gutted and Pissed off!

[RoyD]

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Ok so a few of you might know me or not. However I'm a NW4 and I had been on Finasteride from June 2013 to December 2013 at which I stopped taking it because I wasn't getting any results whatsoever. So I've been on this so called Dutasteride and I really want to specify the brand name here because I've seen a lot of people use it around here as an alternative to Avodart. It's Dr. Reddy's DUTAS and since I live in India it's probably the most popular brand.

Anyways I've had barely any results despite being on dutasteride for over a year now. I really wanted to decide on how to move forward because my hair recovery wasn't going anywhere and dutasteride is not a good drug to take in the long term (liver poison). I also had jaundice a few months back.

Now for those of you who don't know dutasteride is known to suppress serum DHT levels by almost over 90% in just over a month. I've been on it for over a year... Now this started giving me some serious doubts about my hair loss. Firstly I've had negligible sides on finasteride and dutasteride while on them and with dutasteride being able to suppress so much DHT it was difficult to see why my hair was not responding. Either my body/testicles is/are a super DHT producing mine or my hair follicles are hyper sensitive to even the smallest amount of DHT. Either ways the only way to know was to take a blood test and find my Testosterone and DHT levels.

So I took the test less than a week back and here are the results (w/ date of the result):
20/04/2015
Total Observed Testosterone: 24.8 nmol/L
Reference (Adult Male): 4.94 - 32.01 nmol/L

Now I was a little taken back by this figure because this is pretty much an average number whereas dutasteride tends to increase free serum Testosterone. However it is on the higher side so I didn't pay much heed.

Now for the DHT test result which is absolutely SHOCKING!:
21/04/2015
DHT (serum)
Observed DHT: 599 pg/mL
Biological Reference Interval: 250-990

JUST HOW THE **** IS MY DHT STILL SO ****ING HIGH?????
Explanation:
1) This is 10% of my original DHT which means my DHT before finasteride and dutasteride was 5990 pg/ML aka my balls must've been the size of coconuts (but they never were)
2) I'm super resistant to dutasteride.
3) I'VE BEEN SWALLOWING A ****ING PLASTIC CAPSULE FULL OF CRAP FOR THE PAST ONE ****ING YEAR AND WENT FROM ****ING NW3 TO NW4

Never in my life have I felt so cheated and that too for one of the most important issues in my life. Not only do a lot of people use this medication for hairloss but also for serious prostate issues. How can people be such frauds? 1 whole ****ing year of suffering from hair loss, all the while having hope that I was actually helping my cause and risking so much my taking Dutasteride and at the same time feeling so horrible that even this wasn't working. I'm not going to let this go easily. Please let me know what kind of action I can take against Dr. Reddy's or my local pharmacy, whoever is at fault here.

Also if anyone has any other explanation as to how my DHT levels are so high then please say so. More importantly if anyone of you know where I can get proper, effective and legit Dutasteride then please do let me know.

Thanks

 

[Wolf Pack]

People have had results on Dr reddy's and they bought it online. You got it from a local pharmacy iirc?

I can't understand your results, you also take finasteride. What did the Dr say? You probably had really high dht to begin with?

I don't think it's fake.

 

[kuca]

People have had results on Dr reddy's and they bought it online. You got it from a local pharmacy iirc?

I can't understand your results, you also take finasteride. What did the Dr say? You probably had really high dht to begin with?

I don't think it's fake.

Wolf pack In my opinion there is a relly big chance that his medications are fake just read this article India is famous becaouse of her fake drugs http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703315404575249901511960396

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my link doesn t work properly I dont know why

 

[Wolf Pack]

Kuca, this is really bad if a local pharmacy was duped into buying fakes.

Roy, send the meds off for analysis? Maybe the hospital could help you with that. Send like a few tablets off in case the whole thing gets lost.

 

[hmm]

I've also been seriously doubting Dr. Reddy's Dutas. This post may have pushed be over the edge to start using the real deal.

Fortunately since I had strong feeling that Dutas might be total crap I never quite taking 1.25mg Fincar everyday like I have been. It's been a year now on Dutas and I'm honestly not sure if it did anything.

At this point I don't think I will believe that Dr. Reddy's is legitimate until I see some independent lab results.

 

[kuca]

Yea that is a relly awfull, but i relly can t belive that he could have such high levels of dht to begin with, and india is place where fake meds are mostly proudeced.But I agree with you sending meds to analys would be only logical thing to do now.

 

[abcdefg]

Oh yeah if your in india who knows what your getting. I dont know what their regulatory agency is compared to FDA but atleast here its not fakes.

 

[zzzzz]

I've also been seriously doubting Dr. Reddy's Dutas. This post may have pushed be over the edge to start using the real deal.

Fortunately since I had strong feeling that Dutas might be total crap I never quite taking 1.25mg Fincar everyday like I have been. It's been a year now on Dutas and I'm honestly not sure if it did anything.

At this point I don't think I will believe that Dr. Reddy's is legitimate until I see some independent lab results.

Ironic how you think by getting Avodart you can avoid fakes. Brand name drugs such as Avodart are faked more often than generics. Reason is, if you fake a drug, the brand names yield a higher selling price so you might as well fake those.

It's not the producers like Dr reddy's or glaxo that fake these drugs. It's third parties.

It is a problem with that pharmacy you bought it from. Not Dr. Reddy's

just to let everyone know Im on Dr' Reddy's dutas, have had a blood test in the past and my DHT is too low to be registered (so the dutasteride is peforming as expected)

 

[hmm]

Ironic how you think by getting Avodart you can avoid fakes. Brand name drugs such as Avodart are faked more often than generics. Reason is, if you fake a drug, the brand names yield a higher selling price so you might as well fake those.

It's not the producers like Dr reddy's or glaxo that fake these drugs. It's third parties.

It is a problem with that pharmacy you bought it from. Not Dr. Reddy's

I'm not the OP of this thread, I was commenting on it. I live in USA and get my Dr. Reddy's Dutas from Inhouse pharmacy. No American pharmacy that I know of carries Dutas or any generic version of Avodart for that matter.

I've had a bad feeling about the quality of this particular brand in general. I've searched quite a bit on Dr. Reddy's and Dutas, there are many threads questioning the potency of this medicine. Several people will jump in with generalizations saying oh Dr. Reddy's is a well know Indian generics pharmaceutical you'll be OK, but there is no real evidence.

I've been taking Dutas along with my regular finasteride for a year now and haven't seen or felt a change. Could Dutas be a legit? Possibly I just don't know. Only way to know is to get my blood work done then change to real Avodart from a USA pharmacy and retest after 6 months to compare.

I can get the prescription for Avodart from the Medical Wellness Center it's shelling out $150.00 a month (price from a real trusted US pharmacy) that has been stopping me. This thread might push me over the edge though sick of wondering if the pill I pay $$ for and pop in my mouth everyday is worthless.

In my honest opinion I think that Dutas, while it may be "real" the quality and or potency makes it no stronger than finasteride. It's not anything like real Avodart. This is not the first thread of this sort. I highly doubt the OP's Dutas was fake. He should post a picture of the packing. I think that the drug is just poor quality and weak. Until I see some independent lab results from a pack of Dutas I have zero faith in this Indian generics company.

 

[kirk]

finasteride is finasteride.
dutasteride is dutasteride.

Especially when its being regulated by the FDA.

bio-equivalence study: http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/p.../con054522.pdf

Chart:

 

[hmm]

That's the thing, I don't think Dutas is regulated by the FDA... Obviously legit Avodart is which is the gold standard.

I'm not saying that dutasteride is finasteride, or finasteride is dutasteride, they are two completely different things.

I'm saying that the Indian brand Dr. Reddy's "Dutas" is weak, I just don't believe it's as potent or effective as real Avodart. Something is not right.

 

[kirk]

You would need to get a Doctor to prescribe it to you off label for hair loss. Then go to a legit pharmacy to pick it up. Your problems will be solved. I'm almost 99% sure of this even in India.

Inaccurate posts like this can be a problem for new people seeking advice.

 

[hmm]

Tell what pharmacy in USA you can buy FDA regulated generic Avodart (Dutasteride) with a prescription????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I would really love to know as I can get the prescription no problem. $$$ is the problem.

Because what I've been told is that GlaxoSmithKline holds the patent so the only way you can get guaranteed real deal FDA regulated Dutasteride in USA is to fork up $150 a month for Avodart. OR take your chances and buy Indian made Dr. Reddy's Dutas on the internet which is a total crap shoot.

FYI this is the info I'm getting:

At this time, generic Avodart (dutasteride) is not available in the United States. For your safety, you should not buy anything claiming to be "generic Avodart" until an approved version is available. The earliest predictable date that an approved generic could become available is in 2015, when the next patent for Avodart expires.


I am crossing my fingers their patent expires and we can finally get a hold of some regulated generics here Stateside... Maybe the price of Avodart will also drop to non insane levels...

 

[RoyD]

People have had results on Dr reddy's and they bought it online. You got it from a local pharmacy iirc?

I can't understand your results, you also take finasteride. What did the Dr say? You probably had really high dht to begin with?

I don't think it's fake.

Are you serious? You think my DHT levels were 5990 before this? Even if the drug lacks potency, say it suppresses only 50% of DHT which is is equivalent to Finasteride. My DHT would still be above 1000 pre anti androgens which is ridiculous! These meds are ****ing FAKE!

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See now I know there's no point sending these meds for analysis. A) It's going to cost me another huge sum. B) There's nothing to come out of it even if I prove that these meds are fake.

The problem here is that dutasteride is not prescribed by any doctor for hair loss anywhere in the world. I'm thinking of contacting Dr. Reddy's directly and asking them about this, although I'm quite sure that it's not their fault. There's probably some middleman or the pharmacy itself that is selling these drugs knowing that they are fake. Dr. Reddy's is quite a big brand here and I doubt they sell fake meds. Either ways I'm going to confront the pharmacy very soon.

Meanwhile I need to get on Finasteride ASAP! I've wasted a whole year and can't waste any more time running around fake meds.

 

[hmm]

Here ya go!

https://www.costco.com/pharmacy/dru...ugName=Finasteride&drugSearch=alphaDrugSearch

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I don't know what your deal is, but you def don't know what your talking about.

Not sure if you are serious... That is not Dutasteride. Do you even know the difference between finasteride and dutasteride? So let me say again, maybe a little slower so you can comprehend.

You...can...not...get...FDA...regulated...generic...Avodart (Dutasteride)...from...a...USA...pharmacy...

There we go, did that help? If not then I'm sorry you are a lost cause.

Edit: Nice try deleting your post, too bad I quoted it in time. LMFAO

 

[kirk]

How come when a drug is just about to expire, we get people on here complaining that generics don't work?

This seems suspicious to me. If you have legit Dr Reddys, It will work just fine.

 

[hmm]

LOL suspicious I've been on this forum for 10 years...

Long story short, for all the people just entering the game Dr. Reddy's Dutas is not an FDA regulated generic here in the United States. I don't know if it is in Europe but I don't think so. I have to trust the word of some Indian company and people on the internet that it is actually as potent as Avodart, which after taking for a year I just don't believe. i have not seen any independent lab test to prove the quality either.

I have yet to spend a penny on Avodart, at $150 a month they can go f*** themselves. I just can't afford that right now it's ridiculous. The second a regulated generic version becomes available I will be the first one to buy it.

 

[kirk]

Everyone has their opinion I guess. What you should be questioning is whether what you have is from the actual company. Instead you are questioning if Dr Reddy's Dutasteride is legit. Most Likely Dr Reddy's will be one of the first to go generic in the US (was the case with finasteride). It is a good Indian company.

Also, you could try administering the rectally. It get's to the bloodstream faster and calms you down as well.

 

[Nadester]

Dafuq bhai. Sorry to hear that, but i think its possible coz dutasteride IS expensive to buy then they would a reason to fake it.
finasteride is made for 10rupees for 10 tabs i think.

IMO jaldi jaake koi consumer forum mein complain karou.
Those ****ers should not be left unchecked.

Man an entire year you were scammed :-(

@kirk
You mean booty pump it like they do in prison??

 

[hmm]

Also, you could try administering the rectally. It get's to the bloodstream faster and calms you down as well.

Going by your comment it seems you have first hand experience administering things rectally. That's not really my thing, but hey if you're into it that's your prerogative and I won't judge.

Back on topic. Ive been purchasing Dutas for the past year online through inhousepharmacy, since it is not sold in US pharmacies as there is no FDA approved Avodart generic.

I have had good luck with both brand name and generic finasteride from Inhousepharmacy and they are fairly reputable as far as online pharmacies go. I'm sure my strips of Dutas are real Dr.Reddys brand. That is not my argument. I just feel Dutas is sub par when compared to Avodart.

At this point we are just going in circles and there is no point in trying to explain my stance any further. If you or anyone else wants to give Dutas a whirl no one is stopping you. I hope in the near future better generic alternatives to Avodart will become available. Even better maybe one day we can find a cure for a hairloss and arguements like this will be a thing of the past.