DHT test results: Absolutely Shocked, Gutted and Pissed off!

[bilboswaggins]

Even better maybe one day we can find a cure for a hairloss and arguements like this will be a thing of the past.

Were you saying the same thing when you joined this forum in 2005?

OP, i highly doubt your meds were fake. Some people just do not respond to DHT inhibitors, I've heard it has something to do with genotypes

 

[Wolf Pack]

Are you serious? You think my DHT levels were 5990 before this? Even if the drug lacks potency, say it suppresses only 50% of DHT which is is equivalent to Finasteride. My DHT would still be above 1000 pre anti androgens which is ridiculous! These meds are ****ing FAKE!

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See now I know there's no point sending these meds for analysis. A) It's going to cost me another huge sum. B) There's nothing to come out of it even if I prove that these meds are fake.

The problem here is that dutasteride is not prescribed by any doctor for hair loss anywhere in the world. I'm thinking of contacting Dr. Reddy's directly and asking them about this, although I'm quite sure that it's not their fault. There's probably some middleman or the pharmacy itself that is selling these drugs knowing that they are fake. Dr. Reddy's is quite a big brand here and I doubt they sell fake meds. Either ways I'm going to confront the pharmacy very soon.

Meanwhile I need to get on Finasteride ASAP! I've wasted a whole year and can't waste any more time running around fake meds.

I'm not familiar with the unit measurements you guys use. Here it's ng/dl. I convered your DHT to this. You're like 59 ng/dl. Reference range is 30-90 ng/dl.

Normally anyone on finasteride would get to below 30 ng/dl. So yes, it is strange but not entirely unlikely. I still don't think your meds are fake, the more I think about it. I get finasteride online and it's working. You went to a pharmacy, there is a chance of fakes but I am not sure. Could be one with less dutasteride perhaps but doesn't seem plausible.

Good you're doing something about it. Get on finasteride and do another blood test! I have taken Fincar and Merck's Proscar, my DHT is under 30 ng/dl. This way you can compare mate with others. I am planning on having another test soon as more months have gone and my daily dose is a bit higher.

Another thing to consider is perhaps you are producing DHT via other mechanisms. This can't be ruled out.

 

[RoyD]

Dafuq bhai. Sorry to hear that, but i think its possible coz dutasteride IS expensive to buy then they would a reason to fake it.
finasteride is made for 10rupees for 10 tabs i think.

IMO jaldi jaake koi consumer forum mein complain karou.
Those ****ers should not be left unchecked.

Man an entire year you were scammed :-(

Well as of now I've sent a mail to Dr. Reddy's but the main problem is that I've been taking dutasteride for a reason not recommended and without a prescription (without which the drug is not to be sold). Either ways my pharmacy should get screwed good if Dr. Reddy's do decide to take any action. Right now I'm not sure who or what to trust. I seriously need to get on proper Finasteride but have no idea where I can score the legitimate thing or which brand is trustworthy.

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Is not responding to anti androgens even plausible? I mean I suffer from male pattern baldness and my body doesn't even respond to inhibitors? Like not one bit. The drug that suppresses DHT by 90% probably doesn't suppress mine even 1%.

Well maybe there is a God and he wants my head to be bald and will turn the universe upside down if he has to, for that to happen.

Anyways the only way to properly prove this is by taking the most legit Finasteride on the Indian market I can find and doing a blood test 3 months later. Till then I'm going to try to get to the bottom of this.

 

[xRedStaRx]

I'm not familiar with the unit measurements you guys use. Here it's ng/dl. I convered your DHT to this. You're like 59 ng/dl. Reference range is 30-90 ng/dl.

Normally anyone on finasteride would get to below 30 ng/dl. So yes, it is strange but not entirely unlikely. I still don't think your meds are fake, the more I think about it. I get finasteride online and it's working. You went to a pharmacy, there is a chance of fakes but I am not sure. Could be one with less dutasteride perhaps but doesn't seem plausible.

Good you're doing something about it. Get on finasteride and do another blood test! I have taken Fincar and Merck's Proscar, my DHT is under 30 ng/dl. This way you can compare mate with others. I am planning on having another test soon as more months have gone and my daily dose is a bit higher.

Another thing to consider is perhaps you are producing DHT via other mechanisms. This can't be ruled out.

DHT can't be produced by other mechanisms.

The two possibilities are fake medication, or bad blood tests (more common).

Well as of now I've sent a mail to Dr. Reddy's but the main problem is that I've been taking dutasteride for a reason not recommended and without a prescription (without which the drug is not to be sold). Either ways my pharmacy should get screwed good if Dr. Reddy's do decide to take any action. Right now I'm not sure who or what to trust. I seriously need to get on proper Finasteride but have no idea where I can score the legitimate thing or which brand is trustworthy.

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Is not responding to anti androgens even plausible? I mean I suffer from male pattern baldness and my body doesn't even respond to inhibitors? Like not one bit. The drug that suppresses DHT by 90% probably doesn't suppress mine even 1%.

Well maybe there is a God and he wants my head to be bald and will turn the universe upside down if he has to, for that to happen.

Anyways the only way to properly prove this is by taking the most legit Finasteride on the Indian market I can find and doing a blood test 3 months later. Till then I'm going to try to get to the bottom of this.

Check your semen, that should give you a clue whether you're taking real medication.

You should also feel some discomfort in your testicles at first, and your prostate should feel different (smaller).

 

[Wolf Pack]

DHT can't be produced by other mechanisms.

The two possibilities are fake medication, or bad blood tests (more common).

Bad blood test is a good one. You can get ectopic steroid production.

Check your semen, that should give you a clue whether you're taking real medication.

You should also feel some discomfort in your testicles at first, and your prostate should feel different (smaller).

I still have thick semen, not watery at all despite low dht on blood work and ball ache.

 

[Nadester]

@Royd
Look into Reflex Hyperandrogenecity
Did you notice increased beard and body growth with the high libido??

 

[Eazy12]

That dutasteride must be fake, why didnt you just go with Avodart?
On the plus side you have high test so hit the gym and get big.

 

[hmm]

Were you saying the same thing when you joined this forum in 2005?

OP, i highly doubt your meds were fake. Some people just do not respond to DHT inhibitors, I've heard it has something to do with genotypes

Of course I was gotta keep hope alive! Some type of cure is obviously the end goal, many are working on it. It may not be out in time for us but at least maybe our future children will not have to suffer the same BS...if that's even important to you.

 

[RoyD]

RedStar I'm not spending another $45 dollars on a blood test when it's very obvious and the signs (normal or increased libido, normal sperm, normal body hair, same size testicles and most important SAME ****ING HAIRLOSS) all point to normal DHT. There is no way that these meds are working on me. Either the meds are bull**** or my body just doesn't respond which is another long shot.

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Cmon dude, I did a Tesosterone and DHT test and both are bang on normal. In fact the T test was done in the lab I went to and the DHT test had to be outsourced to another lab. I really don't know why you are adamant on defending my meds.

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Nadester not at all.

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Eazy I am since more than a year.

 

[Nadester]

Damn it. You got the finasteride??

 

[Wolf Pack]

finasteride lowers your dht instantly so take a blood test a few days and see - that eI'll end this debate. You were also on finasteride too with dutasteride at one point? Is the finasteride fake too as also gave you no sides?

 

[xRedStaRx]

RedStar I'm not spending another $45 dollars on a blood test when it's very obvious and the signs (normal or increased libido, normal sperm, normal body hair, same size testicles and most important SAME ****ING HAIRLOSS) all point to normal DHT. There is no way that these meds are working on me. Either the meds are bull**** or my body just doesn't respond which is another long shot.

Well there's your problem, cheap blood tests do not measure DHT accurately. This is why I said bad blood tests are common for free androgen measures.

Get a PSA or 3a-Diol G test instead to check if it's legit.

 

[RoyD]

Cheap blood test? Mind you 2550 rupees is quite an amount for a blood test here in India. There are hardly any tests which are more expensive than this. The max I've known is 3000 rupees.

Wolfpack, the fact that my body doesn't respond is the only other explanation I'm open to. That is because between June 2013 and December 2013 I was on Fincar (also a Dr. Reddy's brand and got it from the same pharmacy) and it didn't have any effect in terms of sides or hairloss. I'm going to find a good pharmacy and get my Finasteride from there and check it out. Will take a blood test probably 3 months after that. If my DHT levels are still the same then probably my body just doesn't respond.

P.S. yesterday I cut one of my Dutas capsules and there was some colorless liquid in it. I tasted it and it had a metallic taste and started burning my throat. So maybe it could be dutasteride (based on the fact that it was not just water in there for sure).

 

[Wolf Pack]

Cheap blood test? Mind you 2550 rupees is quite an amount for a blood test here in India. There are hardly any tests which are more expensive than this. The max I've known is 3000 rupees.

Wolfpack, the fact that my body doesn't respond is the only other explanation I'm open to. That is because between June 2013 and December 2013 I was on Fincar (also a Dr. Reddy's brand and got it from the same pharmacy) and it didn't have any effect in terms of sides or hairloss. I'm going to find a good pharmacy and get my Finasteride from there and check it out. Will take a blood test probably 3 months after that. If my DHT levels are still the same then probably my body just doesn't respond.

P.S. yesterday I cut one of my Dutas capsules and there was some colorless liquid in it. I tasted it and it had a metallic taste and started burning my throat. So maybe it could be dutasteride (based on the fact that it was not just water in there for sure).

Fincar is an Indian brand but from Cipla not Dr Reddy's. Working fine for me, ball ache the first time I took it, woke me up at night. Now my results will be a little skewed because I have taken Merck's Propecia and Proscar at times.

Changing pharmacy might be the next logical step. You're adrenals could be producing too much steroids. There was a study (small and only one though) where Creatine was shown to increase DHT by over 50% in rugby players yet T remained UNCHANGED from baseline. It should have been reduced. That shows that DHT might be made some other way maybe, I am guessing though.

RedStar's suggestion of checking PSA was a good one. If it's suppressed it shows your medication is real but you didn't respond to it.

 

[Nadester]

@Royd
I think its time to cut all the loses and consult an endocrinologist. You will get legit help their, but its gonaa be pricey

 

[RoyD]

Wolfpack: Wth is PSA now? Btw I'm not sure what the brand was but I'm sure it was Dr. Reddy's Finasteride.

Nadester: I don't have that kind of money man. Besides docs are just a rip off here.

I have a strange feeling that I'm going to have to embrace baldness sooner or later. Maybe it's just destiny.

 

[Wolf Pack]

Prostate specific antigen. It's very low on finasteride or dutasteride and the blood test will show it if that's the case!

 

[YouSmiledAtMe]

For whatever it is worth, I had my DHT tested on Dutas over a year ago and it was something like 2.5 ng/dl. Maybe you should send your pills to an analysis lab.

 

[RoyD]

haha you're not man enough as me then. My baseline DHT is apparently 600 ng/dl LOL!

But on a serious note I'm not really sure how the testing works here. Not sure if I even know where or what an analysis lab is and how to get the whole thing done.

I sent a mail to customer service to Dr. Reddy's on Friday and they still haven't replied. All the pharmacies were closed today so couldn't even get my Finasteride.

 

[xRedStaRx]

haha you're not man enough as me then. My baseline DHT is apparently 600 ng/dl LOL!

But on a serious note I'm not really sure how the testing works here. Not sure if I even know where or what an analysis lab is and how to get the whole thing done.

I sent a mail to customer service to Dr. Reddy's on Friday and they still haven't replied. All the pharmacies were closed today so couldn't even get my Finasteride.

Just get a goddamn PSA test, it's fast and cheap.