Diet and hair loss?

[freakout]

And any proof that bald men die earlier?

"Criteria for metabolic syndrome were met by 57.1% of the patients with androgenetic alopecia compared to 14.3% of the controls (P<0001). Thirty-four percent of the patients with androgenetic alopecia had atheromatous plaques compared to 8.6% of the controls (P=.018). In an independent correlation analysis, abdominal obesity, systolic blood pressure, triglycerides, and blood glucose levels were significantly greater among patients with androgenetic alopecia."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20398601

The above support some of studies that male pattern baldness is associated with, myocardial infarction, arterioslerosis, obesity, diabetis, prostate cancer, heart ischemia, brain ischemia, essential hypertension.

If male pattern baldness is associated with potentially fatal conditions, need I provide proof that bald men will LIKELY die sooner?

 

[Bryan]

If all men have androgens and DHT yet others get to keep their hair, what else do have to blame? Genes?

Yes. In the form of different sensitivities to androgens that men express. Those whose hair follicles are highly sensitive, will go bald. Those whose hair follicles aren't, won't.

Are you going to keep pretending that this hasn't been explained to you REPEATEDLY?? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[bigentries]

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If male pattern baldness is associated with potentially fatal conditions, need I provide proof that bald men will LIKELY die sooner?

Yes. And I wouldn't even go as far as calling them "potentially fatal", there are plenty of old fatties around

 

[freakout]

If all men have androgens and DHT yet others get to keep their hair, what else do have to blame? Genes?

Yes. In the form of different sensitivities to androgens that men express. Those whose hair follicles are highly sensitive, will go bald. Those whose hair follicles aren't, won't.

Are you going to keep pretending that this hasn't been explained to you REPEATEDLY?? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

HAHAHA. How many times will I tell you that you're arguments are fifty-years old. Genetics that's your so much revere as the Holy Grail is junk science.

Well, genes need an epi to express themselves. The 'epi' is influenced by lifestyle and external and internal environmental factors and primarily by the life that's coursing through the cells.

Baldness occurs WITHIN a lifetime which means something switched it on DURING that lifetime. There is no such thing as a "timer" gene waiting to set off by itself.

Read up on new sciences and use your brain capacity, Bryan. Epigenetics and Genomics. Ooopss. I forgot, you have your own agenda.

 

[freakout]

Yes. And I wouldn't even go as far as calling them "potentially fatal", there are plenty of old fatties around

Using the power of your observation to argue without the benefit of stattistically based argument?

CONCLUSIONS: The high frequency of metabolic syndrome and carotid atheromatous plaques in patients with androgenetic alopecia suggests cardiovascular screening should be done to enable early detection of individuals at risk and initiation of preventive treatment before cardiovascular disease becomes established.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20398601

Some bald men will die sooner due to their propensity to develop cardio/coronary and other associated conditions. We also know that cardio/coronary conditions are often lifestyle influenced.

 

[bigentries]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20398601

Some bald men will die sooner due to their propensity to develop cardio/coronary and other associated conditions. We also know that cardio/coronary conditions are often lifestyle influenced.

MMM, funny how I just needed to look at the reviews on the right to find these ones

Kinda old
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2243260

Overall, the data reviewed suggest that a small risk of CAD due to baldness may exist, but this risk is smaller than that of well-known CAD risk factors such as smoking and hypertension. Future research should emphasize proper control for age and CAD risk factors.

Newest
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15983440

Various skin conditions are considered to be characteristic markers for elevated coronary disease risk. Over and above these established signs there are reports on other skin signs with possible associations with elevated coronary disease risk, i.e. the horizontal earlobe crease, high breast hair density, precocious graying and male pattern hair loss. A review of the literature is presented in this article, and the relevance of these symptoms is discussed as they are related to the possible myocardial disease risk. The available data on this topic are impressive, but on close assessment most of the studies are marred by methodical errors.

This one actually explains that DHT was a factor
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15983440

Baldness did not coincide with androgenetic alopecia in some of the articles examined, which makes it difficult to settle the issue. Subjects who develop baldness before their 30s may have a higher risk for coronary artery disease than other men, and they may be individuals with early-onset androgenetic alopecia who also present with particularly elevated dihydrotestosterone-testosterone ratios. The baldness theory should be included as a secondary hypothesis in large epidemiological studies of coronary artery disease. Such studies should include dermatologic expertise for accurate, cost-effective evaluation of baldness.

 

[hairhoper]

Living a healthy lifestyle has infinite benefit and there's no point anyone debating the merits of it, as if anyone is really going to decide against being healthy because of internet forum debate lulz. If you have the motivation to get fit, do it now and start reaping the many rewards.

I'm sure it probably does offset the onset of male pattern baldness because general health JUST MAKES SH*T WORK BETTER, but it will not stop it ultimately, because it is genetic, as is clearly observable by looking at the men in your family. :shock:

 

[freakout]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2243260
MMM, funny how I just needed to look at the reviews on the right to find these ones

Kinda old
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2243260

Newest
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15983440

This one actually explains that DHT was a factor
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11453815

Did you read the contents or just the titles?

The first and the second link cited older studies for methodical errors. But the first confirms association with hypertension.

While the third, "The baldness theory should be included as a secondary hypothesis in large epidemiological studies of coronary artery disease. Such studies should include dermatologic expertise for accurate, cost-effective evaluation of baldness".

The link I posted, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20398601 , is a controlled case study in April 2010 which confirms older studies. Controlled case studies are very methodical.

OLDER studies particularly 20 year olds cannot dispute newer studies particularly controlled case studies.

Man, that was misleading on your part.

 

[freakout]

Obesity is associated with male pattern baldness.

What ???? :dunno:

Yes s.a.f. Are you surprised?

abdominal obesity
systolic blood pressure
triglycerides
blood glucose
levels were significantly greater among patients with androgenetic alopecia.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20398601

And this year-old controlled cased study clinically supports older epidemiological studies which were supposedly "marred with methodical errors".

Something tells me male pattern baldness couldn't be purely genetic.

Association with lifestyle influenced conditions may mean that male pattern baldness may be also lifestyle influenced.

 

[aynaufh]

All of you men out there better pay close attention to this hormone because it can really leave you bald fast if you're not careful.

 

[s.a.f]

Obesity is associated with male pattern baldness.

What ???? :dunno:

Yes s.a.f. Are you surprised?

Something tells me male pattern baldness couldn't be purely genetic.

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Something tells me you're wrong. :whistle:

 

[slurms mackenzie]

If all men have androgens and DHT yet others get to keep their hair, what else do have to blame? Genes?


Baldness occurs WITHIN a lifetime which means something switched it on DURING that lifetime. There is no such thing as a "timer" gene waiting to set off by itself.

So what about things like puberty, the menopause etc.

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Yes. And I wouldn't even go as far as calling them "potentially fatal", there are plenty of old fatties around

Using the power of your observation to argue without the benefit of stattistically based argument?

CONCLUSIONS: The high frequency of metabolic syndrome and carotid atheromatous plaques in patients with androgenetic alopecia suggests cardiovascular screening should be done to enable early detection of individuals at risk and initiation of preventive treatment before cardiovascular disease becomes established.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20398601

Some bald men will die sooner due to their propensity to develop cardio/coronary and other associated conditions. We also know that cardio/coronary conditions are often lifestyle influenced.

I wonder (and i doubt i'm the first) whether or not nitric oxide is the link here, could also be insulin resistance or the body's response to inflamation. In all cases i personally think environment as well as genetic factors can play a role.

For example with nitric oxide

http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/short/119/7/940

Genetic Variations in Nitric Oxide Synthase 1 Adaptor Protein Are Associated With Sudden Cardiac Death in US White Community-Based Populations

so genes can play a role, but a nitric oxide friendly diet would also help.

and before anyone starts .... i'm not suggesting an increase in NO will cut dead hair loss, I'm tinkering at the margins

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Wow, what did we do before the internet?

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01347957

A Phase I Study that kicked off May 2011

Preclinical studies showed the Nitric Oxide (NO) gel significantly promoted hair follicle formation and growth in both rat and mouse models. The NO gel induced major physiological, developmental, and structural changes in the skin of mammals to increase the number of hair follicles, follicle stem cell development and regeneration as well as hair shaft elongation, and accelerated hair growth rate. Based on our animal model findings, the investigators hypothesize that the nitric oxide releasing gel could be used as a medical treatment for hair growth in humans. The objective of this trial is to evaluate the safety and efficacy of this NO gel (XN-001), in comparison with a placebo gel in subjects in a 24-week treatment schedule.

 

[balder]

Male pattern baldness is determined by genetics.

Identical twins experience the same rate of balding. Show me pics of identical twins raised in different environments where one is completely bald and the other has a full head of hair.

It can only exist if one of the twins is a eunuch and he would be the twin with the full head of hair :woot:

 

[balder]

The dutasteride twins...

http://www.twinshairloss.com/

We are a pair of identical twins who suffer from Male Pattern Hair Loss with one noticeable difference; one twin still has most of his hair.

Since my twin brother (Twin A - on the left of all photos) started showing signs of baldness in 2003 he has treated his hair loss with a whole variety of products. Fortunately he has managed to prevent the hair loss that I have experienced by taking a DHT Blocker known as Dutasteride. I (Twin B - on the right of all the photographs) did nothing up until January 2010 to stop my hair loss, and the results are clear to see...

 

[powersam]

My fathers family, 6 brothers, 5 with Norwood 5 hair loss 1 with full head of hair. The one with a full head of hair has celiac disease, something which has prevented him from eating a western diet, and therefore minimised his insulin levels.

 

[balder]

My fathers family, 6 brothers, 5 with Norwood 5 hair loss 1 with full head of hair. The one with a full head of hair has celiac disease, something which has prevented him from eating a western diet, and therefore minimised his insulin levels.

Very interesting, still, they are regular siblings, not genetically identical twins.

There are many examples of extreme overweight people with great NW1 hair

No examples of identical twins with different diets, where one has advanced balding and the other does not, unless one is a eunuch or is using a successful baldness treatment like the "big 3" :woot:

 

[powersam]

My fathers family, 6 brothers, 5 with Norwood 5 hair loss 1 with full head of hair. The one with a full head of hair has celiac disease, something which has prevented him from eating a western diet, and therefore minimised his insulin levels.

Very interesting, still, they are regular siblings, not genetically identical twins.

There are many examples of extreme overweight people with great NW1 hair

No examples of identical twins with different diets, where one has advanced balding and the other does not, unless one is a eunuch or is using a successful baldness treatment like the "big 3" :woot:

I see lots of skinny people with hair, and lots of skinny people without hair. This means:

Multiple determinant of hair loss.

 

[freakout]

Obesity is associated with male pattern baldness.

What ???? :dunno:

Yes s.a.f. Are you surprised?
Something tells me male pattern baldness couldn't be purely genetic.

Something tells me you're wrong. :whistle:

I don't subscribe to the idea that male pattern baldness is caused by over-eating. Period.

And I see what you mean: Association does not mean causation. And I AGREE! But you can't show ONE subject and say, "you're wrong"

Obesity is not caused by over-eating alone but by sedentary lifestyle as well you may include genes as well.

There is always an interplay between genes and environmental factors in every condition - epigenetics. Look beyond your genes!