Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Revono]

Wow, people in Austria know the truth .. Unexpected))

 

[likemike]

Kramatorsk, Donetsk oblast.

I hope you are well. Please take care of yourself.
I hope the conflict is over asap and the Kiev regime will capitulate or stop sending troops and accept the new borders in Eastern UA.


Sorry for off topic.

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

I dunno what i just watched. But this comment lol. Femboy must've got some fake E

 

[Almas_NW0]

I dunno what i just watched. But this comment lol. Femboy must've got some fake E View attachment 176598

I don't think femboys accept E, otherwise they would be faced with breast growth. Rather, they are just feminine boys with good genetics, i.e. they stay on T and look cute.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

I don't think femboys accept E, otherwise they would be faced with breast growth. Rather, they are just feminine boys with good genetics, i.e. they stay on T and look cute.

I mean sure, but I only mentioned it since it the vid showed a scene with him adding E at some point

 

[kckcjl94]

so let's get back to hair. what's the general consensus that high E is the best therapy? seems like that if high E is present it suppresses T anyway right? i would imagine the AA and 5ar woudln't be necessary but seems like most are on one or both. Is it more just to cover the bases and make sure? curious if anyone thinks progesterone is helpful.

 

[KNemo]

Hormones have no role on that or just little bit, its mostly bone structure (genetics as you say). My friend is often confused as underage guy but he is 24yo. Just because he has slight class 2/overbite with good bone support + baby/cheek fat. Most people are just recessed craniofacially so when they lose baby fat (early 20s) they get “older” quicker because it reveals lack of bone structure beneath.
This guy is good example:
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and also this girl:
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Those are just double jaw surgeries (no rhinoplasty,genioplasty,facelift,fillers etc)

Edit: E2 can restore some facial fat I would think, so thats major thing that makes us “younger” imo in these cuck regimens. That does not apply for older folks who have sagging fat pads. Either way thats why I strongly suggest its the bone structure that’s important for permanent solution.

Convex nose to concave without rhino... Right.

 

[cetm-419]

so let's get back to hair. what's the general consensus that high E is the best therapy? seems like that if high E is present it suppresses T anyway right? i would imagine the AA and 5ar woudln't be necessary but seems like most are on one or both. Is it more just to cover the bases and make sure? curious if anyone thinks progesterone is helpful.

a few (all we have, sadly) studies show that the response of hair follicles to E2 varies greatly from one region of the body to another (like DHT), and from one sex to another. In male's frontotemporal follicles, for example, it inhibits TGF-B2, which is the one of the main actors in Androgenetic Alopecia.

In the Hamilton studies it was shown that eunuchs that were administered with testosterone developed hairloss, but when ceasing administration, the hair didn't grow back. In contrast, there are amazing hair regrowth cases in the transgender community.

We don't know for sure (clinical studies) if and how much E2 is necessary for regrowth, although there is empirical evidence of one mtf averaging 90 pg/ml and regrowing hair.

AA's are not necessary when using enough e2, but "enough" may vary from one person to the other, and the suppression usually comes when your e2 levels are above 200 pg/ml.

Our goal is not transitioning, so we use lower doses of estradiol. Because of this, we also use anti-androgens (AA's).

Progesterone works as a anti-androgen, but there are much better options, like spironolactone, bicalutamide, etc. Not to be confused with progestins, which are synthetic, and not bio identical molecules used to mimic progesterone in female birth control. Many progestins have androgenic activity (unlike progesterone), so it's better to stay away from them.

As you can see, the general consensus is: it's complicated.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

Hormones have no role on that or just little bit, its mostly bone structure (genetics as you say). My friend is often confused as underage guy but he is 24yo. Just because he has slight class 2/overbite with good bone support + baby/cheek fat. Most people are just recessed craniofacially so when they lose baby fat (early 20s) they get “older” quicker because it reveals lack of bone structure beneath.
This guy is good example:
View attachment 176608
and also this girl:
View attachment 176609
Those are just double jaw surgeries (no rhinoplasty,genioplasty,facelift,fillers etc)

Edit: E2 can restore some facial fat I would think, so thats major thing that makes us “younger” imo in these cuck regimens. That does not apply for older folks who have sagging fat pads. Either way thats why I strongly suggest its the bone structure that’s important for permanent solution.

Exogenous T or E does influence bone structure, it just depends on to what degree those bones have already fused. But yes, good forward facial growth is more due to family genetics and things like proper ortho/dental care and treatment. And like you mentioned, varying degrees lefort or bsso can be game changers for people with issues like jawline recession.

 

[kckcjl94]

In the Hamilton studies it was shown that eunuchs that were administered with testosterone developed hairloss, but when ceasing administration, the hair didn't grow back. In contrast, there are amazing hair regrowth cases in the transgender community.

yeh that's interesting because it's exactly what happened to me. i have a pituitary tumor so incredibly low testosterone, my hair was perfect, they put me on testosterone and it slowly eroded my temples. i've stopped but there is no improvement.

 

[CTD]

Anyone here have success with bica as monotherapy? If so, how long before you saw a reduction in shedding?

 

[cetm-419]

Anyone here have success with bica as monotherapy? If so, how long before you saw a reduction in shedding?

Dani does..

 

[exwhyyou]

this thread contains proof of some of the most radical hair experimentation with desirable results to boot... results that people have been chasing for years to no avail... what is craziest about all of this is that it's completely unorganized and poorly distributed amongst pissing contests as to which femboy is most masculine as well as incoherent janey ramblings

i've been able to mostly quell my hair fears by holding myself to the personal commitment to go on estrogen once i feel it's necessary for the future of my hair... this reality is approaching sooner than i had anticipated

i have been lurking this thread for almost 2 years yet i am still at a near complete loss as to the best possible way to go about such a thing... maybe this makes me a bit dense, but this is clearly quite a daunting decision to make... it seems like the folks who populate this thread would rather argue about whose regimen is best based on irrelevant minutiae than to come to clear, concise conclusions based on the various data presented

it would be nice to compile some of the information in here into an easier to digest source... for example, a user like KMCB who has had insane, goal worthy results, has posted her regimen buried somewhere in here, though i would consider that golden information to individuals like me... to continue using her as an example, said regimen seems like a huge undertaking for someone like me wanting to get into this stuff and unsure which direction to go... in an ideal world we would be able to see a lot of the different HRT adjacent regimens people have tried and succeeded with in a sort of side by side, with data on other side effects (breast growth), and even hair before and after pics if available

this is clearly too much to ask, but i'm hoping this post resonates with some of you who are overwhelmed by the reality of what this thread and these boards have come to represent... clearly the knowledge in here is priceless, but it's seriously hidden by a load of incel transphobic sh*t and i don't think that's helping anyone... maybe when i find some time i will start mining this thread to create a more easy to digest resource, but help from others would make it all the better as there's a lot of different factors that go into this topic in particular

 

[Almas_NW0]

Hormones have no role on that or just little bit, its mostly bone structure (genetics as you say). My friend is often confused as underage guy but he is 24yo. Just because he has slight class 2/overbite with good bone support + baby/cheek fat. Most people are just recessed craniofacially so when they lose baby fat (early 20s) they get “older” quicker because it reveals lack of bone structure beneath.
This guy is good example:
View attachment 176608
and also this girl:
View attachment 176609
Those are just double jaw surgeries (no rhinoplasty,genioplasty,facelift,fillers etc)

I agree with you. However, even with good bone structure, if T disfigures you, you will have skin problems that will make you look older. at 14 I had wrinkled skin like I was at least 35 years old. And a lot of body hair. And then baldness, lol.

 

[Almas_NW0]

this thread contains proof of some of the most radical hair experimentation with desirable results to boot... results that people have been chasing for years to no avail... what is craziest about all of this is that it's completely unorganized and poorly distributed amongst pissing contests as to which femboy is most masculine as well as incoherent janey ramblings

i've been able to mostly quell my hair fears by holding myself to the personal commitment to go on estrogen once i feel it's necessary for the future of my hair... this reality is approaching sooner than i had anticipated

i have been lurking this thread for almost 2 years yet i am still at a near complete loss as to the best possible way to go about such a thing... maybe this makes me a bit dense, but this is clearly quite a daunting decision to make... it seems like the folks who populate this thread would rather argue about whose regimen is best based on irrelevant minutiae than to come to clear, concise conclusions based on the various data presented

it would be nice to compile some of the information in here into an easier to digest source... for example, a user like KMCB who has had insane, goal worthy results, has posted her regimen buried somewhere in here, though i would consider that golden information to individuals like me... to continue using her as an example, said regimen seems like a huge undertaking for someone like me wanting to get into this stuff and unsure which direction to go... in an ideal world we would be able to see a lot of the different HRT adjacent regimens people have tried and succeeded with in a sort of side by side, with data on other side effects (breast growth), and even hair before and after pics if available

this is clearly too much to ask, but i'm hoping this post resonates with some of you who are overwhelmed by the reality of what this thread and these boards have come to represent... clearly the knowledge in here is priceless, but it's seriously hidden by a load of incel transphobic sh*t and i don't think that's helping anyone... maybe when i find some time i will start mining this thread to create a more easy to digest resource, but help from others would make it all the better as there's a lot of different factors that go into this topic in particular

I had such plans. However, hypochondriacs and those who disagree with my views would start pouring sh*t on my thread, so I decided to just create my own thread with a success story. I will do this in a couple of years so that the post will be more informative and touch on all aspects of HRT for cis men. I think to some extent it will be an instructive story in which I will lay out the mistakes that I made and misconceptions about HRT

 

[Almas_NW0]

How To Cure Baldness By Altering Hormones While Retaining Masculinity
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No need, since people dont want “tranny talk” outside this thread (very reasonable). That thread and first 20 pages of this thread are golden standard for starting HRT as cis and they both actually had visible regrowth. With and without minoxidil and also with 5ar inhibitors and without one. All bases are covered here already,nothing new can be learned. Its not rocket science.

Some topics remained undisclosed. For example, HRT cycles, hair thickness that is more difficult to restore, fat mass and weight loss on HRT. I would like to touch on these topics

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

it would be nice to compile some of the information in here into an easier to digest source... for example, a user like KMCB who has had insane, goal worthy results, has posted her regimen buried somewhere in here, though i would consider that golden information to individuals like me

Currently I use estradiol injections every 5 days (my E2 lvl usually sits somewhere between 200-400 during trough), 25mg daily bica (was 50 at one point, but I've reduced it to 25 for about 8 months or so), finasteride 5 days a week alternating with dutasteride for 2 days a week, and 2x daily minoxidil on temples (at night using in conjunction with .025% tretinoin).

 

[kckcjl94]

ive been using estradiol pills 2mg for 3 months and 4mg for another 3 months, can't say ive noticed any effect good or bad. i've ordered some e injection but it came out of ukraine so unlikely i'll be getting it.

 

[Fvgwnx]

Currently I use estradiol injections every 5 days (my E2 lvl usually sits somewhere between 200-400 during trough), 25mg daily bica (was 50 at one point, but I've reduced it to 25 for about 8 months or so), finasteride 5 days a week alternating with dutasteride for 2 days a week, and 2x daily minoxidil on temples (at night using in conjunction with .025% tretinoin).

I came across your old photo and I did not see your hair problems