Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Seanrutty]

Also it’s lookin so far if reflex is really and just any kinda androgen related hair loss is real once got 20029 drops it won’t matter I wonder if a guy with even terrible hair loss could just up on test and tren and still be fine with gt

 

[Adri23]

Okay random what about estrogen cream on the hairline?? I have spironolactone on hand now but it’s like a year old I was gonna pop 2 a week but I’m so unknowinable with all this.. and I don’t judge if ppl on here are using fem things for hair cool I’m down too long as I don’t start lookin like it.. I was gonna jump on 200 mg of test but I’m pretty sure then my hair will really take a sh*t.. stupid derm looked at my hair and said oh your hairs great for 41

But estrogen on hairline wont do anything. Like T and DHT are much more potent than estrogen, so they will bind to AR and keep doing its stuff cause u will have lot of androgen in your blood stream. The thing about systemic e2 is to nuke your androgen production so you wont have many androgens and estrogens can exert its effects. All that said some ppl keep losing hair on hrt due to backdoor dht so dutasteride is never a bad idea

 

[Adri23]

Also it’s lookin so far if reflex is really and just any kinda androgen related hair loss is real once got 20029 drops it won’t matter I wonder if a guy with even terrible hair loss could just up on test and tren and still be fine with gt

We are not sure if it will even work as in paper. There was a huge hype with pyrilutamide and it ended up being sh*t

 

[Seanrutty]

But estrogen on hairline wont do anything. Like T and DHT are much more potent than estrogen, so they will bind to AR and keep doing its stuff cause u will have lot of androgen in your blood stream. The thing about systemic e2 is to nuke your androgen production so you wont have many androgens and estrogens can exert its effects. All that said some ppl keep losing hair on het due to backdoor dht so dutasteride is never a bad idea

Okay so this is what I’ve heard now from a few ppl is this back door pathway of dht and this almost has to be going on with me.. so someone explain what is the back door pathway and why is dutasteride only mentioned but not finasteride?? Curious

 

[Seanrutty]

We are not sure if it will even work as in paper. There was a huge hype with pyrilutamide and it ended up being sh*t

True.. so what can be done about reflex like I said dude Ill never forget growing upper arm hair that’s still here till this day and just shedding somedays 1000 hairs this was back when I was 21 not now.. that was reflex fully because I had super thick hair to the point the barbers would have to thin it for a fade then my dumbass jumped on finasteride and bam sex drive through the roof tons of hairs shedding out body hair growth.. there’s Noway in hell it was just a coincidence no way in hell.. I’m back on in now 1mg 3 times a week so far not the crazy sex drive but also still shedding.. what’s the month you think to say okay finasteride isn’t working?? Been on it this second time around now for 4 months with topical min mixed with tren and melatonin plus oral min 5mg plus laser cap plus scalp massager.. f*** I know this sounds nuts but if I ever had a kid and at 41 prolly not but if so I’d have to see the girls dad before f*****g and if any hair loss I’d say sorry I can’t bring a possible son into this world to go through this hair loss thing..

 

[Seanrutty]

Okay so this is what I’ve heard now from a few ppl is this back door pathway of dht and this almost has to be going on with me.. so someone explain what is the back door pathway and why is dutasteride only mentioned but not finasteride?? Curious

Gotta figure out this back door pathway.. I do remember after finasteride and the reflex thing I got my hands on dutasteride real aka avodart and i remember my hair not coming out when i was pulling on it but all them years ago I can’t remember why I came off I can’t remember if I ended up with hair loss again it was so many f*****g years ago.. I had a test for lpp done 3 months ago the test came back and said negative but then I read there not always rite but f*** so I gotta go get another biopsy done..

 

[Adri23]

Okay so this is what I’ve heard now from a few ppl is this back door pathway of dht and this almost has to be going on with me.. so someone explain what is the back door pathway and why is dutasteride only mentioned but not finasteride?? Curious

The red marks are basically the backdoor pathway of DHT that doesn't need T to create DHT. You can have very active 5ar1 as I do(did a genetic test) and even with estradiol alone you wont solve your hairloss cause estradiol lowers T which indirectly makes 5ar type 2 less effective cause there is no substrate to feed the 5ar2 . Dutasteride and not finasteride is mentioned because finasteride does not block 5ar1 which is responsible of dht from the backdoor pathway. Even dutasteride at standard dosages inhibit 51% of 5ar1 so maybe you will end up needing more depending on your genetics, only way to know is trying it.

 

[Seanrutty]

The red marks are basically the backdoor pathway of DHT that doesn't need T to create DHT. You can have very active 5ar1 as I do(did a genetic test) and even with estradiol alone you wont solve your hairloss cause estradiol lowers T which indirectly makes 5ar type 2 less effective cause there is no substrate to feed the 5ar2 . Dutasteride and not finasteride is mentioned because finasteride does not block 5ar1 which is responsible of dht from the backdoor pathway. Even dutasteride at standard dosages inhibit 51% of 5ar1 so maybe you will end up needing more depending on your genetics, only way to know is trying it.

Man your smart so wait where do I get this test that you got?? I didn’t know a thing even existed.. this test is called what if you don’t mind me asking

 

[Adri23]

True.. so what can be done about reflex like I said dude Ill never forget growing upper arm hair that’s still here till this day and just shedding somedays 1000 hairs this was back when I was 21 not now.. that was reflex fully because I had super thick hair to the point the barbers would have to thin it for a fade then my dumbass jumped on finasteride and bam sex drive through the roof tons of hairs shedding out body hair growth.. there’s Noway in hell it was just a coincidence no way in hell.. I’m back on in now 1mg 3 times a week so far not the crazy sex drive but also still shedding.. what’s the month you think to say okay finasteride isn’t working?? Been on it this second time around now for 4 months with topical min mixed with tren and melatonin plus oral min 5mg plus laser cap plus scalp massager.. f*** I know this sounds nuts but if I ever had a kid and at 41 prolly not but if so I’d have to see the girls dad before f*****g and if any hair loss I’d say sorry I can’t bring a possible son into this world to go through this hair loss thing..

I like your point of view in not bringing new life with curse hair genetics. Have you tried dutasteride? My dumbass ADHD forgot if you mentioned it or not

 

[pentobean]

I’m going to take the risk and run a cycle of ghk-cu. I’ll update if it changes anything.

 

[Adri23]

Gotta figure out this back door pathway.. I do remember after finasteride and the reflex thing I got my hands on dutasteride real aka avodart and i remember my hair not coming out when i was pulling on it but all them years ago I can’t remember why I came off I can’t remember if I ended up with hair loss again it was so many f*****g years ago.. I had a test for lpp done 3 months ago the test came back and said negative but then I read there not always rite but f*** so I gotta go get another biopsy done..

So dutasteride helped you and you stopped it?

Man your smart so wait where do I get this test that you got?? I didn’t know a thing even existed.. this test is called what if you don’t mind me asking

You can search on internet genetic test for hair loss. Some ppl say it is a scam but I everything it says on that thing is true in my case.

 

[Seanrutty]

I like your point of view in not bringing new life with curse hair genetics. Have you tried dutasteride? My dumbass ADHD forgot if you mentioned it or not

Yeah I tried it back then but we’re talking 2006 and for the death of me cannot remember why I stopped of how long I did it for.. the Doctor was a fruitcake he’d give me anything I asked for I said I need avodart uhhh okay bam that easy I remember trying it and remember thinking this is the end for my hair loss and grabbing my hair hard kinda pulling and either nothing came out or a few but I just can’t remember why I stopped it maybe I ended up getting tons of hair loss from it too but I just can’t remember for sh*t..

 

[Adri23]

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I’m going to take the risk and run a cycle of ghk-cu. I’ll update if it changes anything.

I know 414 tried it but im not sure if it helped

 

[Adri23]

Yeah I tried it back then but we’re talking 2006 and for the death of me cannot remember why I stopped of how long I did it for.. the Doctor was a fruitcake he’d give me anything I asked for I said I need avodart uhhh okay bam that easy I remember trying it and remember thinking this is the end for my hair loss and grabbing my hair hard kinda pulling and either nothing came out or a few but I just can’t remember why I stopped it maybe I ended up getting tons of hair loss from it too but I just can’t remember for sh*t..

Maybe you can try it again. If you have enough money you can even try 2.5 mg per day. If that doesnt work then HRT is your last resource

 

[Seanrutty]

I’ve not posted on here much don’t know what 414 is.. so here’s a question if reflex is real and it is.. would dutasteride cause it too since finasteride did and you can say Sean you took them both you should know but like I said I just can’t remember at all

 

[Seanrutty]

And if the back door pathway is the issue then finasteride is a complete waste of time or is it still doing something?? Kinda gay to sit here and cut this 5mg into 4 pills if it’s not doing sh*t

 

[losingbattle88]

I’ve not posted on here much don’t know what 414 is.. so here’s a question if reflex is real and it is.. would dutasteride cause it too since finasteride did and you can say Sean you took them both you should know but like I said I just can’t remember at all

4141 is a member that got banned from here lmao.

 

[Seanrutty]

I know 414 tried it but im not sure if it helped

 

[losingbattle88]

And if the back door pathway is the issue then finasteride is a complete waste of time or is it still doing something?? Kinda gay to sit here and cut this 5mg into 4 pills if it’s not doing sh*t

bro. I used dutasteride for 1.5 years and if I hadnt quit it I would be bald today 100%. Havent had this issue with finasteride.

 

[Seanrutty]

bro. I used dutasteride for 1.5 years and if I hadnt quit it I would be bald today 100%. Havent had this issue with finasteride.

See that’s what I mean everyone is so different I’ve heard way worse stories with dutasteride then finasteride that’s why idk but I don’t wanna argue with ppl on here I just wanna hear all advice.. so dutasteride gave you reflex or just didn’t work??