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DHEA acts as a full agonist of the ERβ with a maximal response similar to or actually slightly greater than that of estradiol, and its levels in circulation and local tissues in the human body are high enough to activate the receptor to the same degree as that seen with circulating estradiol levels at somewhat higher than their maximal, non-ovulatory concentrations; indeed, when combined with estradiol with both at levels equivalent to those of their physiological concentrations, overall activation of the ERβ was doubled. [10][19]


i had a great regrow at the time i was on DHEA + Estradiol

but i was on 50mg daily. .

maybe every 2-3 days on 5-10 mg could help

or 50mg Pregnenolone every 2-3 nights.. its going to 17ohp5 and DHEA
 

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I thought dracula had a beard in the novel but it turns out he just had a mustache. It is white though. vamp theory still up for debate imo.
 

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It's actually not a myth.

Women age facially at 2-3 times the rate of men
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It is a common expression that comparatively speaking, "men age like wine, women age like milk." Scientifically, it has been shown that this phrase may in fact have validity, as women develop facial signs of aging at 2-3 times the rate that men do.

Facial analysis of aging patterns indicated women experience their greatest rate of aging from 50-60 when their faces age three times as quickly as men. During the rest of their lives, women were evaluated to age twice as quickly as men.

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  • The female rate of facial aging is higher than the male rate.
  • Before age 50 and also after age 60, female faces age—on average—about twice as fast as male faces; between 50 and 60 years, this sex difference in aging rate is even more pronounced (up to three times faster).
  • Aging was generally associated with a flatter face, sagged soft tissue ("broken" jawline), deeper nasolabial folds, smaller visible areas of the eyes, thinner lips, and longer nose and ears.
References:
  • Windhager S, Mitteroecker P, Rupić I, Lauc T, Polašek O, Schaefer K. 2019. Facial aging trajectories: A common shape pattern in male and female faces is disrupted after menopause. Am J Phys Anthropol. 169:678–688. [FullText]

And yes, DHT is bad for hair BUT testosterone is very important for male's health. So stop with your disinformation and deluding yourself that test and DHT are the devil just because you're balding.

old men have more E2, Testosterone and DHEA than women... thats the reason of the rapidly aging of them.

women should use some trstosterone, E2 DHEA and P4 to stay young and healthy
 

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Do you have a skin care regimen right now noah? im using collagen peptides serum called buffet from the ordinary along with vit c serum, argireline and collagen and hylraunic acid supplements trying to get rid of the wrinkles under my eyes, i have tried needling and copper peptides too but the copper peptides made my wrinkles worse and the needling seems to have no effect either, needling worked great on my forehead lines years ago but nothing positive happening under my eyes.
 

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Do you have a skin care regimen right now noah? im using collagen peptides serum called buffet from the ordinary along with vit c serum, argireline and collagen and hylraunic acid supplements trying to get rid of the wrinkles under my eyes, i have tried needling and copper peptides too but the copper peptides made my wrinkles worse and the needling seems to have no effect either, needling worked great on my forehead lines years ago but nothing positive happening under my eyes.

Try topical hyaluronic acid, tretinoin, and estrogen cream.
 

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Try topical hyaluronic acid, tretinoin, and estrogen cream.

It was tretinoin that caused the wrinkles in the first place lol Happened after only a few weeks of use, thought it was just the uglies phase, worse before it gets better etc so i persevered for months but the lines just got worse.
 

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It was tretinoin that caused the wrinkles in the first place lol Happened after only a few weeks of use, thought it was just the uglies phase, worse before it gets better etc so i persevered for months but the lines just got worse.

That shouldn't be possible. Same with copper peptides. Both should've helped.
 

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That shouldn't be possible. Same with copper peptides. Both should've helped.

Everything i have read says that too, but my eyes say differently. Very deep lines that were caused by retin-a, i wish i had never used it now as my eyes were fine before, just another thing to worry about other than my hair i guess lol
 

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Everything i have read says that too, but my eyes say differently. Very deep lines that were caused by retin-a, i wish i had never used it now as my eyes were fine before, just another thing to worry about other than my hair i guess lol

Tell me about it. It would be a lot easier if I could just focus on my hair. I grew back a substantial amount of hair, but I got dark circles from minoxidil. So I quit treatment because I was worried about messing with my hormones and skin. My dark circles went away and I felt healthier, but I lost all my gains and more. So now I'm back on treatment, and the dark circles are coming back. So now on top of my excessive hair routine, I've started using skin care products and microneedling on my face too.
 

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Yes you spread disinformation, you demonize testosterone, yet men absolutely need it to be healthy. (that includes you btw, you still have balls hanging there right?) And your anecdotes are worthless. Also learn to read the study and its conclusions, stop distorting information to fit your narrative, this study is not only about post menopause women:

"Facial analysis of aging patterns indicated women experience their greatest rate of aging from 50-60 when their faces age three times as quickly as men. During the rest of their lives, women were evaluated to age twice as quickly as men."

Before age 50 and also after age 60, female faces age—on average—about twice as fast as male faces; between 50 and 60 years, this sex difference in aging rate is even more pronounced (up to three times faster).


Sure other factors also play a role like lifestyle and applying of chemicals. The only thing that makes a man look "older" is the balding factor, take that away and yes men age more graciously than women despite the evil "testosterone and dht".

Also it's all quite logical, another biological fact is that women lose around 90% of all their eggs at the age of 30. So it's not only a joke between guys, there's biological validity in this, most 30+ women are not attractive maybe this is nature's way of telling men they are not in their prime fertile years anymore. Meanwhile men produce sperm untill the last breath. But of course this part is only my conjecture but I would not be surprised if there were studies about this.

So cope all you want, we men need DHT and testosterone. The estrogen you take does not only turn you into a sexless knock-off female but will f*** up your health in the long term, lol if you think a life time of hormone altering drugs will make you healthier or younger. The only thing that will make you younger as an older man is more testosterone not more estrogen.

Bonus picture, new girlfriend of Keanu Reeves, he is 55, guess the age of his girlfriend:

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Men do not age more gracefully; most men age like your stereotypical father, with hair loss and a forehead wrinkle deep enough to be used as a creek.

What has a woman’s eggs got to do with the physical appearance? There are more attractive 30+ women compared to attractive 30+ old men. I am not sure where you are getting these statistics, but it’s quite evident that there more attractive mature women. And that has something to do with more women investing into cosmetics compared to men, as well as putting more effort into their dress sense, which is another important factor with appearance.

I don’t need to cope, because there is evident improvements with all of our appearances. I no longer suffer with acne (which is an automatic deduction to appearance, although it shouldn’t be that way), neither is my hair loss to its previously severe extent. Look at Noah; his looks has improved drastically, and it’s undeniable. Your ‘proof’ of women ageing badly does not apply to us, because we are not biological women. Our skin will age similar to Korean men, as that’s what our skin has changed to. It’s an equal balance of a males skin and a females skin, with a smooth texture and evident elasticity.

What will make me older as a mature male is testosterone, as it’s the leading factor within hair loss, and hair loss automatically ages you.

I’m not sure what your point is here, because look at this photo of Mariah Carey (49) and Patti LaBelle (75), in which they both look younger than Keanu.

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I don't know if T or E is better or worse for your skin, i think a good skin care regime is most important in the end and should be something all men make sure to do, it's not that frowned upon these days for men to take good care of their skin.
 

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I don't know if T or E is better or worse for your skin, i think a good skin care regime is most important in the end and should be something all men make sure to do, it's not that frowned upon these days for men to take good care of their skin.
They both have their benefits. E promotes collagen synthesis and fibroblasts. Androgens induce sebum production which keeps skin naturally lubricated as perpetually dry skin contributes to wrinkles.

As for men or women aging quicker, I think part of that is subjective based on how humans perceive aging traits. For instance if a man looks more feminine facially he will often be perceived as being younger. And when a woman begins to look at all masculine, she is likewise percieved as much older. Aging hardens facial features which in itself is masculinizing. So that process likely wears better on men's faces and is the reason for them looking "rugged" and "distinguished" despite aging. Adding ruggedness to a female face is imbuing her with masculine features which aren't perhaps viewed as favorably and thus contributes to the stigma of what constitutes an aging woman.

On the other hand, women tend to live longer. Considering there are a number of studies that intertwine internal aging of organs, dna, etc with physical external traits and how old a person appears (i.e. if a 30 year old looks 50, internally they are too), it would seem to make sense that women would die first and not the other way around based on the premise that women look older.
 

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One reason women live longer is men have more dangerous jobs, and more suicides. I'm not sure if the statistics to those into account or not. Men are exposed to more toxic chemicals through their jobs, inhaling things like paint fumes, PVC pipe, exhaust fumes,etc. They have more stress, and engage in more risky behaviors.
 

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female animals also live longer, even in controlled environments

Not exactly. In most species females do live longer, but not in all. It should be obvious though that the more aggressive sex is going to live a shorter life. I don't imagine being wounded in fights is going to help you live longer, and having a higher calorie intake is the greatest shortener of lifespans that we know of. I higher caloric intake for males is something that is consistent throughout the animal kingdom.

According to this male mice sometimes live longer than female mice in controlled environments
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2655725

Testosterone is important for a healthy heart.

There are benefits to female hormones and benefits to male hormones. One is not better than the other, but I get the sense that you hate men and just want to believe women are superior.
 
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