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but you do have a cati don't really have a dog in this fight
but you do have a cati don't really have a dog in this fight
DHEA acts as a full agonist of the ERβ with a maximal response similar to or actually slightly greater than that of estradiol, and its levels in circulation and local tissues in the human body are high enough to activate the receptor to the same degree as that seen with circulating estradiol levels at somewhat higher than their maximal, non-ovulatory concentrations; indeed, when combined with estradiol with both at levels equivalent to those of their physiological concentrations, overall activation of the ERβ was doubled. [10][19]
It's actually not a myth.
Women age facially at 2-3 times the rate of men
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It is a common expression that comparatively speaking, "men age like wine, women age like milk." Scientifically, it has been shown that this phrase may in fact have validity, as women develop facial signs of aging at 2-3 times the rate that men do.
Facial analysis of aging patterns indicated women experience their greatest rate of aging from 50-60 when their faces age three times as quickly as men. During the rest of their lives, women were evaluated to age twice as quickly as men.
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- The female rate of facial aging is higher than the male rate.
- Before age 50 and also after age 60, female faces age—on average—about twice as fast as male faces; between 50 and 60 years, this sex difference in aging rate is even more pronounced (up to three times faster).
- Aging was generally associated with a flatter face, sagged soft tissue ("broken" jawline), deeper nasolabial folds, smaller visible areas of the eyes, thinner lips, and longer nose and ears.
- Windhager S, Mitteroecker P, Rupić I, Lauc T, Polašek O, Schaefer K. 2019. Facial aging trajectories: A common shape pattern in male and female faces is disrupted after menopause. Am J Phys Anthropol. 169:678–688. [FullText]
And yes, DHT is bad for hair BUT testosterone is very important for male's health. So stop with your disinformation and deluding yourself that test and DHT are the devil just because you're balding.
Regarding the aging debate, I'll just leave this here.
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Do you have a skin care regimen right now noah? im using collagen peptides serum called buffet from the ordinary along with vit c serum, argireline and collagen and hylraunic acid supplements trying to get rid of the wrinkles under my eyes, i have tried needling and copper peptides too but the copper peptides made my wrinkles worse and the needling seems to have no effect either, needling worked great on my forehead lines years ago but nothing positive happening under my eyes.
Try topical hyaluronic acid, tretinoin, and estrogen cream.
It was tretinoin that caused the wrinkles in the first place lol Happened after only a few weeks of use, thought it was just the uglies phase, worse before it gets better etc so i persevered for months but the lines just got worse.
That shouldn't be possible. Same with copper peptides. Both should've helped.
Everything i have read says that too, but my eyes say differently. Very deep lines that were caused by retin-a, i wish i had never used it now as my eyes were fine before, just another thing to worry about other than my hair i guess lol
Yes you spread disinformation, you demonize testosterone, yet men absolutely need it to be healthy. (that includes you btw, you still have balls hanging there right?) And your anecdotes are worthless. Also learn to read the study and its conclusions, stop distorting information to fit your narrative, this study is not only about post menopause women:
"Facial analysis of aging patterns indicated women experience their greatest rate of aging from 50-60 when their faces age three times as quickly as men. During the rest of their lives, women were evaluated to age twice as quickly as men."
Before age 50 and also after age 60, female faces age—on average—about twice as fast as male faces; between 50 and 60 years, this sex difference in aging rate is even more pronounced (up to three times faster).
Sure other factors also play a role like lifestyle and applying of chemicals. The only thing that makes a man look "older" is the balding factor, take that away and yes men age more graciously than women despite the evil "testosterone and dht".
Also it's all quite logical, another biological fact is that women lose around 90% of all their eggs at the age of 30. So it's not only a joke between guys, there's biological validity in this, most 30+ women are not attractive maybe this is nature's way of telling men they are not in their prime fertile years anymore. Meanwhile men produce sperm untill the last breath. But of course this part is only my conjecture but I would not be surprised if there were studies about this.
So cope all you want, we men need DHT and testosterone. The estrogen you take does not only turn you into a sexless knock-off female but will f*** up your health in the long term, lol if you think a life time of hormone altering drugs will make you healthier or younger. The only thing that will make you younger as an older man is more testosterone not more estrogen.
Bonus picture, new girlfriend of Keanu Reeves, he is 55, guess the age of his girlfriend:
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They both have their benefits. E promotes collagen synthesis and fibroblasts. Androgens induce sebum production which keeps skin naturally lubricated as perpetually dry skin contributes to wrinkles.I don't know if T or E is better or worse for your skin, i think a good skin care regime is most important in the end and should be something all men make sure to do, it's not that frowned upon these days for men to take good care of their skin.
female animals also live longer, even in controlled environmentsMen are exposed to more toxic chemicals through their jobs, inhaling things like paint fumes, PVC pipe, exhaust fumes,etc.
female animals also live longer, even in controlled environments