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Almas

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Yeah but you know who they work great for? Guys with huge amounts of baldness on top but goofy high fringe. For those, it can almost recreate a juvenile hairline.
Not quite sure what you mean. My hairstyle is called Side Part, something similar, although all hairstyles with raised bangs are similar ... Classic hairstyle
In addition to the temples, my sides are very thin. I'm retreating not only at the temples
 

JaneyElizabeth

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At the moment I live in Kazakhstan, where I was born. This year I have to go to study in Russia and stay there. I communicate with you via google translator
And now, and in the next 5 years, I will live in Siberia
Wow. Siberia. Nobody goes bald there among the Natives plus you can swim to Alaska!
 

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Not quite sure what you mean. My hairstyle is called Side Part, something similar, although all hairstyles with raised bangs are similar ... Classic hairstyle
In addition to the temples, my sides are very thin. I'm retreating not only at the temple
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My current hairstyle xD _trying to hide thinning xD_
 

Almas

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Wow. Siberia. Nobody goes bald there among the Natives plus you can swim to Alaska!
Alaska is far from southern siberia. Look at the border of Kazakhstan and Russia - I hang out in this area. Novosibirsk, Barnaul
Russians often go bald, I don't know what you mean. and I, an Asian, are aggressive balding. Nobody is insured ...I am very lucky
 

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Alaska is far from southern siberia. Look at the border of Kazakhstan and Russia - I hang out in this area. Novosibirsk, Barnaul
Russians often go bald, I don't know what you mean. and I, an Asian, are aggressive balding. Nobody is insured ...I am very lucky

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No, they went bald precisely because of the androgenic pattern, temples. Apparently, the sensitivity to androgens in these places is so high that it is possible to restore hair only with full HRT
I must remind you that temples are receding even among women. This fact shows how helpless we are.
That could also be traction alopecia
 

Almas

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After 2 weeks of taking bicalutamide, my sperm production stopped, as Icarus said. Libido is saved, erection too. No problem, just keep in touch
 

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After 2 weeks of taking bicalutamide, my sperm production stopped, as Icarus said. Libido is saved, erection too. No problem, just keep in touch
I guess the sperm production will come back, as soon as you stop taking bica (as it shrinks the prostate), so you are temporarily infertil?!

Can someone back this up!?
 
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Almas

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I guess the sperm production will come back, as soon as you stop taking bica (as it shrinks the prostate), so you are temporarily infertil?!
Since there is almost no sperm, getting pregnant is much more difficult. Anyway, I don't care at all
 

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I guess the sperm production will come back, as soon as you stop taking bica (as it shrinks the prostate), so you are temporarily infertil?!

Can someone back this up!?
HRT appears to be completely reversible for folks without SRS. Plus you haven't been on it long.
 
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JaneyElizabeth

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Sorry, I don't understand this post. Can you repeat that somehow more obvious? I feel dumb xD sry
I don't think that statement was really correct. E2 can do everything that E2 plus an AA can do. It helps to know something about the history of MtF meds. People used to use ethinyl estradiol (synthetic) and Premarin (horse estrogens but natural) by themselves and if anything, gals had better results than now. Some think that the all but universal issue with lack of breast growth is because natural estrogens don't "work" as well as these two. Anecdotally, I was on Premarin for a couple of years and I have had outstanding breast growth.

So anyway, when it was discovered that these two were really rough on the liver, doctors began to switch to natural estradiol but there was a tendency, for liver safety, not to prescribe enough to reach adult female targets. This left MtF's not achieving full facial and hair restoration. As I say often, you have to maintain adult female targets for many months it seems to "turn on" hair growth for the majority of one's hair. It's confusing because you can see some marginal improvement at lower levels.

Hence, doctors started adding AA's to the mix since the gals weren't reaching targets on E2. Had more estrogen been used, however, the AA wouldn't have been necessary. That's one reason why testing can be important for those lacking the success that they want.

Now what about excessive feminization for guys on HRT from all of that estrogen? Here's the kicker. Your body feminizes in different areas at different rates and extensive hair growth/regrowth only comes at the end after you pass all but fully through the breast growth phase. So using less E2 to avoid feminization of breast tissue is likely to create more breast development, not less. This is because small amounts of E2 or even estrone or estriol, tricks the body into thinking, "oh, this is a girl ready for breast growth" so it turns on breast growth. Thought among MtF's is that people who titrate up from tiny amounts <raises hand> are likely to have more or much more breast growth than just starting at a level that reaches adult female targets.

When I started posting, I harped on this notion again and again because if you don't understand how female puberty works, you would think, "oh, I will just use less".

That's why I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that Serms are probably necessary to get both hair and avoid breast growth. However as I also reiterate, most MtF's have tiny breasts so this might be less of a concern. I am not the best spokeswoman here though because l followed the breast growth protocol unwittingly by using Premarin in tiny amounts (.30mg starting out!) and then doubled for titration every six months. I also used Estrogel on my breasts extensively and MtF's are uncertain whether topical application increases breast growth and many believe that it at least has some effect <raises hand>.

Some times there is a reason why people haven't done something in the past and we have known about estrogens since estradiol and estrone were isolated in the 1930's.
 
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JaneyElizabeth

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Yeah. Ask my female partners; boober maybe but I am not boomer....
One thing that I have rarely been accused of is lack of memory. I seem to remember everything except names and faces and that is probably because my mind doesn't recognize such things as "data". Like the robot in the old Ally Sheedy movie with the robot, Short Circuit, my mind has always been like that "more data please. More input!"
 
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