Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[JaneyElizabeth]

Thank you Janey! Do you think you can be your old self again?

I do if I had a partner who wanted that. I haven't seen Noah in a while but I think a person can do what he is doing and then cycle back on estrogen maybe every other year. He fully restored and then went off HRT except for Duta. At the one year mark, he was maintaining very well except in the temples a little which is the area most likely to regress in general. I may have gone beyond the pale in terms of breast growth but they might deflate some without HRT and even more so if I used a Serm but I don't think this has been tested much. I have had other non-binary folks state that it works at least some to deflate breast growth.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Thanks for curing my depression lol

This virtually never happens to XY's. Traction alopecia is something that happens essentially by wearing a pony tail too tight. It was often seen in ballet dancers and could result from some African-American hair styles for women. Tight braiding could be another cause. There didn't use to be a cure for this except stop and hope but I am fairly certain that DR would help if not completely restore traction loss but this is conjectural in my mind. But if it restores scar tissue and I can vouch for its incredible effects there, it seems as though it might heal traction loss.

 

[Almas]

Thanks for curing my depression lol

Women also go bald - that's a fact. You can console yourself as much as you like and look for the cause in traction alopecia. Since when does traction alopecia affect only temples and cause miniaturization?
I'll always tell the harsh truth and give you back your depression, b****s

 

[Almas]

I was on 2mg for the longest time, than on 4mg for a 2~ months the only sides i have is gyno and infertility. No ED sofar, quality is on par or about 90%. I just brought up a 30kg fridge to the 4th floor of my apartment yesterday, so no signs of weakness. I gained 4 kg of fat since i started in 2019

I'm taking it sublingually, but if i had the chance i would go for injections.
Edit: Also i do not recommend what i'm doing at all, i probably would have had better results with minoxidil than anything else.

does estradiol increase fat?

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Women also go bald - that's a fact. You can console yourself as much as you like and look for the cause in traction alopecia. Since when does traction alopecia affect only temples and cause miniaturization?
I'll always tell the harsh truth and give you back your depression, b****s

f*** MEN AAAAAA

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

does estradiol increase fat?

So wait now, Gergely. Why can't you use oral minoxidil?

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

does estradiol increase fat?

You would have to be more precise. Females tend to have more fat as a percentage of body weight relative to men so yes but in the sense of making someone obese, then no, it doesn't to my knowledge. Some of us gain weight and often intentionally because when starting out, this makes the breast, hip and buttock growth more apparent but my weight appears to move up and down no differently from before and my current weight about 68 kilos is what my average weight was as a "male". I do have breasts, hips and a bottom that are far more fleshy but my weight overall equilibrates.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

f*** MEN AAAAAA

So you are against AA's, lol? That's four A's too many!

 

[Almas]

f*** MEN AAAAAA

What makes me depressed is the fact that @Jacob Williams continues to go bald even after 150mg of Bica. And his baldness one to one looks like mine.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

What makes me depressed is the fact that @Jacob Williams continues to go bald even after 150mg of Bica. And his baldness one to one looks like mine.

I never saw him posting pictures. And no that CANT be true omg.

How long is he on bica?

 

[Pls_NW-1]

So you are against AA's, lol? That's four A's too many!

Lol no hahhaa. I will definitely try bica when I can get my hands on it.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

What makes me depressed is the fact that @Jacob Williams continues to go bald even after 150mg of Bica. And his baldness one to one looks like mine.

I usually think of AA's as inducing marginal hair improvement but not so much as for maintenance. That's an interesting question. Some MtF's still have issues even after castration. It appears that DHT never wants to go "gently into the night" and it can be amazingly persistent. I had to have my beard removed before my dermatitis relented even with estrogen and spironolactone being used at the time. It appears that DHT can also come from the adrenals as well as synthesizing itself in hair and beard follicles.

I am uncertain that using just an AA is any better either at avoiding breast growth since very little estrogen will result in breast growth as seen in pubertal cis-females. Do they have less effect on spermatogenesis? I don't know because I never used only an AA but regardless using bica at those levels is something that the body cannot sustain without losing bone mass. Some of you folks do more dangerous things just to avoid using or admitting you use estrogen because estrogen is for girls while apparently AA's are seen as less oriented to femaleness.

 

[Yar]

Reducing the level of shbg through insulin resistance, if you eat a lot of sugar, your liver begins to produce less shbg and gradually androgens begin to have their detrimental effect on the hair follicles.Women and men go bald precisely because of insulin resistance,all our food contains sugar, especially at the present time.Insulin resistance is to blame.From sugar, insulin increases, progesterone decreases, and shbg decreases.I did experiments on myself, ate only sweets for a day and the next day my hair was very, very greasy!Remove sugar from your life, add something that increases your natural progesterone,add estradiol once a day, add spironolactone once a day, and you will grow great hair!

 

[Gergely]

So wait now, Gergely. Why can't you use oral minoxidil?

I don't wan't hair on my arms and my back that's all.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Reducing the level of shbg through insulin resistance, if you eat a lot of sugar, your liver begins to produce less shbg and gradually androgens begin to have their detrimental effect on the hair follicles.Women and men go bald precisely because of insulin resistance,all our food contains sugar, especially at the present time.Insulin resistance is to blame.From sugar, insulin increases, progesterone decreases, and shbg decreases.I did experiments on myself, ate only sweets for a day and the next day my hair was very, very greasy!Remove sugar from your life, add something that increases your natural progesterone,add estradiol once a day, add spironolactone once a day, and you will grow great hair!

Not sure if you are MtF but your pic does show a less well-known artifact of HRT which is a change in neck structure which I noticed early on although it seems to somewhat come and go.

 

[Almas]

I usually think of AA's as inducing marginal hair improvement but not so much as for maintenance. That's an interesting question. Some MtF's still have issues even after castration. It appears that DHT never wants to go "gently into the night" and it can be amazingly persistent. I had to have my beard removed before my dermatitis relented even with estrogen and spironolactone being used at the time. It appears that DHT can also come from the adrenals as well as synthesizing itself in hair and beard follicles.

I am uncertain that using just an AA is any better either at avoiding breast growth since very little estrogen will result in breast growth as seen in pubertal cis-females. Do they have less effect on spermatogenesis? I don't know because I never used only an AA but regardless using bica at those levels is something that the body cannot sustain without losing bone mass. Some of you folks do more dangerous things just to avoid using or admitting you use estrogen because estrogen is for girls while apparently AA's are seen as less oriented to femaleness.

You should use as little zestrogen as possible because it causes muscle loss and some unwanted effects. It is better to use 50mg Bica + 2mg estro than 8mg estro and more and continue to go bald, because nothing prevents T and DHT residues from binding to receptors. Unless the dosage of Bica can be reduced to 25 mg, because the T is very low

We have two options:
1) Bica + 2mg estro
2) Large doses of estro
Let's compare the side effects of the two options:
1) Gynecomastia, moderate or absent feminization
2) Loss of muscle mass, severe feminization, virtually complete HRT

I hope this question is closed. Monotherapy with estradiol is irrational

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I don't wan't hair on my arms and my back that's all.

Well you certainly are a high-maintenance sort of person

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

You should use as little zestrogen as possible because it causes muscle loss and some unwanted effects. It is better to use 50mg Bica + 2mg estro than 8mg estro and more and continue to go bald, because nothing prevents T and DHT residues from binding to receptors. Unless the dosage of Bica can be reduced to 25 mg, because the T is very low

We have two options:
1) Bica + 2mg estro
2) Large doses of estro
Let's compare the side effects of the two options:
1) Gynecomastia, moderate or absent feminization
2) Loss of muscle mass, severe feminization, virtually complete HRT

I hope this question is closed. Monotherapy with estradiol is irrational

Now, now. I might re-open it as I think that you are asserting a thesis perhaps without enough data to support it.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Now, now. I might re-open it as I think that you are asserting a thesis perhaps without enough data to support it.

Even 2mg of estradiol without an AA can reset the axis and lead to complete feminization it appears. Folks might want to bookmark Transfeminine Science at reddit as they post and often comment on the most recent studies. That's why I continue to reiterate that even tiny amounts like my .30mg of Premarin can induce incipient feminization without being substantial enough to help hair much at all, if any. This is a maze that is not easily exited. I am going to educate myself more about Serms because I don't believe otherwise, this is possible without feminizing. And even then, Serms might prevent breast growth but that isn't particularly even part of feminization.

 

[Almas]

Even 2mg of estradiol without an AA can reset the axis and lead to complete feminization it appears. Folks might want to bookmark Transfeminine Science at reddit as they post and often comment on the most recent studies. That's why I continue to reiterate that even tiny amounts like my .30mg of Premarin can induce incipient feminization without being substantial enough to help hair much at all, if any. This is a maze that is not easily exited. I am going to educate myself more about Serms because I don't believe otherwise, this is possibly without feminizing. And even then, Serms might prevent breast growth but that isn't particularly even part of feminization.

Are you suggesting throwing all AAs in the trash and just injecting yourself with estrogen? Low dose monotherapy will not stop hair loss, and high doses will have powerful effects. We cis guys are looking for an intermediate option. This implies maximum androgen blockade and minimum estradiol dosages.