Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Sonolmn98]

i got a question for guys who have done laser hair removal, tommorrow is my 7th session on the beard/neck area iam very pleased by the results so far but my wallet is crying lol iam almost hairless, no need to shave or worry about it. here are the questions

1. what is the name of the laser they used?
2.what area was done?
3. how is your results so far?

i have heard that it works best on dark hair (black) and fair skin, iam blessed to have dark hair and fair skin, bridge wont see results if he used it because he is blonde, iam planning to go for some elctrolysis to get rid of few blonde hairs there because laser only kills the dark one
4. is this permanent, i mean i have already spent up to 4000$ to 5000$ on treatmens i wish they wont come back, i actually hate facial and body hair as much as i hate male pattern baldness,so i hope my money didnt go to waste in that regard, i know that long term use of estrogen (hrt) will thin them out but i wanted to speed thing up, plus that hrt only work in reducing body hair which i didnt have to laser it off, but facial hair is not affected by hrt thats why we need to zap these motherfucker and burn them off!

 

[Father_of_Shiseido]

I used to watch this guy a lot

Your hairs looks great in your dp.

 

[hahahamyhairisdead]

Why’d you drop bicalutamide?

I got arrhythmia from it.

Your hair continued to thin on bicalutamide?

No. My hair was good with duta and minoxidil, but the result was weak. I wanted a fast result so I tried bica.

You are heading to the classic horseshoe male pattern baldness pattern, scary sh*t, but why giving now, you still have hope, because estrogen is magic

Yeah, but I gave it up.

 

[badhabiz]

DHT is not only produced from the conversion from gonadal testosterone, but also in the adrenal gland derived from a androstenedione pathway. This is why dutasteride and finasteride are especially important despite taking strong anti-androgens.


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There is something similar in prostate cancer patients. Where its believed there are mutations in a gene expression that causes an increase in DHT production, specifically from the adrenal gland. These patients are usually on anti-androgens such as cypro, bical and dutasteride, but their DHT still increases locally in tumors.

Here's a source if you want to read more.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3367713/

"Chang et al. show that, contrary to widely held assumptions, the dominant pathway to DHT synthesis does not involve testosterone as a precursor to DHT, but instead involves the conversion of Δ4-androstenedione (AD) to 5α-dione (AD→5α-dione→DHT) by the steroid-5α-reductase isoenzyme 1 (SRD5A1)."

Posted few days ago, couldnt agree more
Sexual precursor androstenedione is crucial
And more reliable to get tested since dht is too fluctuant during the day

 

[Sonolmn98]

this summerizes my journey so far

before orchiectomy or treatment, i only used hebs and natual oils that time, i didnt bother to even take propecia, age 18, used nizoral but didnt help



( jan 2019) 3 months after orchiectomy (surgical castration) no estrogen no finasteride/dutasteride,no minoxdil or anything basically i was shedding like a cat from anesthesia but i still saw improvement despite not taking estrogen or dht blocker


(now) this my hair after 5 months on estrogen, i have seen regrowth without fina/duta or minoxdil, only estrogen
now iam just fed up with all this, i want my nw0 back at all costs so iam gonna go overboard on this and add duta and minoxdil and even some E gel iam still desperate and not satisfied,f*** male pattern baldness, but looking back at my progress iam actually kinda shocked of the person i was before all this all i remember is misery and severe depression, i lost soo much over this disease iam not gonna lose anymore thing from now on, lets rebuild life and hair!!!

 

[Ikarus]

this summerizes my journey so far

before orchiectomy or treatment, i only used hebs and natual oils that time, i didnt bother to even take propecia, age 18, used nizoral but didnt help
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( jan 2019) 3 months after orchiectomy (surgical castration) no estrogen no finasteride/dutasteride,no minoxdil or anything basically i was shedding like a cat from anesthesia but i still saw improvement despite not taking estrogen or dht blocker View attachment 123505 View attachment 123506


(now) this my hair after 5 months on estrogen, i have seen regrowth without fina/duta or minoxdil, only estrogen View attachment 123507 View attachment 123508 View attachment 123509
now i just fed up with all this, i want my nw0 back so iam gonna go overboard on this and add duta and minoxdil and even some E gel iam still desperate and not satisfied,f*** male pattern baldness

Adding dutasteride won't do any harm; you won't experience that raise in T since you are using such a significant dose of E. By the way, you are looking good!

 

[Sonolmn98]

Looking fresh as f*** though, I'd be satisfied with thise results and stop worrying about my hair and just continue with that i was doing if that were my head of hair. I dont know if you saw the link i posted a while back of my hair at the beginning of this treatment but here it is and ill upload more later for comparison to see if anything has changed https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qebhrkzwo0k87bs/AADgG0bMOYf_QAot5ge-uwdca?dl=0

you and @Ikarus have similar balding pattern it is more of a diffuse thinning all over where mine was just one big f*** bare patch, you will greatly benefit from oral minoxdil but in my case i think topical is better, despite this we are all three gonna reach nw0 one day there is no question about it brothers, it is just about time and who gonna be there first! i dnt think we will ever have hairloss or even think about it from 2021 onward keep pushing! destroy androgens and up the E, iam just worried about facial hair growth from minoxdil since laser hair removal is a pain in the ***

 

[Sonolmn98]

Here's pics i took just now, sorry the iso setting on the cam wasnt ajusted for window light but you can still see, still looks like utter sh*t, but then again i did stop minoxidil at the beginning of this treatment because i dont ever want to depend on minoxidil for my hair to grow, i just want real hair grown without needing a stimulant and im hoping no T + Estrogen will bring it back to life, i dont see any improvement yet. Looks like it might be the same or worse idk. The bags under my eyes are from taking DXM and tripping balls all weekend cause i don't want to think, but the bags are a sign its time to stop the DXM now lol.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4agab0lizh81m4y/AACaDM2xkqUYvz2LvQs1l0Lfa?dl=0

i think minoxdil is crucial for regrowth, i didnt use it myself but now iam kinda considering it in small doses, i hate the idea of taking a stimulant and i dnt wanna become dependent on it for life, but i dnt think that hrt is enough alone, should i wait another year on estrogen, i dnt f*****g know,topical E with microneedling sounds better, what do u think and why u stop minoxdil? your hair still look good and there is a huge chance for improvement but you just need the right protocol which is hard to figure out

 

[Sonolmn98]

I was on minoxidil and finasteride for years when the hairloss started, it always gave me heart pain and gave me eye floaters, every 6 months the amount of junk floating in my eyes would double untill my vision was clouded with long strings of cells and brown blobs and i looked to see if minoxidil could be the reason and sure enough a side effect is vision loss, i think minoxidil also contributedto creating that deep line on my forehead lol, if i am taking minoxidil i will never know if HRT is working to make my hair grow and @Ikarus isnt using it and hes 5 minths in and his haor is regrowing.

oh no ,i dnt want wrinkles in my 20s so forget it then, try microoneedling with estro gel sounds promising,otherwise let hrt do its magic but it gonna take alot of time, i experinced regrowth with no minoxdil but iam still not there yet

 

[hahahamyhairisdead]

I tried to find him but I couldn't. Sorry =_=
It's too difficult...

DHTcel asked me about a guy on bica+ralox+cpa. So... I have found him.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PYWaZaHazpbyOtGEWIq4krsVmqLxENIhFqJW4fBuXv8/edit

But DHTcel is banned... Maybe smb else will be interested.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

i got a question for guys who have done laser hair removal, tommorrow is my 7th session on the beard/neck area iam very pleased by the results so far but my wallet is crying lol iam almost hairless, no need to shave or worry about it. here are the questions

1. what is the name of the laser they used?
2.what area was done?
3. how is your results so far?

i have heard that it works best on dark hair (black) and fair skin, iam blessed to have dark hair and fair skin, bridge wont see results if he used it because he is blonde, iam planning to go for some elctrolysis to get rid of few blonde hairs there because laser only kills the dark one
4. is this permanent, i mean i have already spent up to 4000$ to 5000$ on treatmens i wish they wont come back, i actually hate facial and body hair as much as i hate male pattern baldness,so i hope my money didnt go to waste in that regard, i know that long term use of estrogen (hrt) will thin them out but i wanted to speed thing up, plus that hrt only work in reducing body hair which i didnt have to laser it off, but facial hair is not affected by hrt thats why we need to zap these motherfucker and burn them off!

The place I'm currently going to uses the "syneron-candela gentlemax pro." It includes multiple wavelengths to target hair depending on skin type/hair color.

Overall for fair skin/dark hair (like I also have), either alexandrite or NG:YAG laser technologies should be fine. Just stay away from IPL.

It should be pretty permanent, especially without testosterone. I did laser on my chest about 3 years ago and that hasn't returned. My facial hair is proving a bit more resilient however. But it seems pretty normal for males to require 10-12 sessions in the beard area.

As for pricing, look in your area for groupon deals. I've done this and can generally bundle about 6 sessions for a few hundred bucks.

 

[Ikarus]

oh no ,i dnt want wrinkles in my 20s so forget it then, try microoneedling with estro gel sounds promising,otherwise let hrt do its magic but it gonna take alot of time, i experinced regrowth with no minoxdil but iam still not there yet

Minoxidil inhibits collagen apparently...

 

[Ikarus]

i got a question for guys who have done laser hair removal, tommorrow is my 7th session on the beard/neck area iam very pleased by the results so far but my wallet is crying lol iam almost hairless, no need to shave or worry about it. here are the questions

1. what is the name of the laser they used?
2.what area was done?
3. how is your results so far?

i have heard that it works best on dark hair (black) and fair skin, iam blessed to have dark hair and fair skin, bridge wont see results if he used it because he is blonde, iam planning to go for some elctrolysis to get rid of few blonde hairs there because laser only kills the dark one
4. is this permanent, i mean i have already spent up to 4000$ to 5000$ on treatmens i wish they wont come back, i actually hate facial and body hair as much as i hate male pattern baldness,so i hope my money didnt go to waste in that regard, i know that long term use of estrogen (hrt) will thin them out but i wanted to speed thing up, plus that hrt only work in reducing body hair which i didnt have to laser it off, but facial hair is not affected by hrt thats why we need to zap these motherfucker and burn them off!

I have had laser hair removal twelve times so far, and it’s painful! During my initial sessions a few years ago, I would end up bleeding because the hairs were thick. Nonetheless, the laser they used on myself is the alexandrite laser; that laser is best on lighter skin with darker hairs. I had the entire beard area done. Since I wasn’t using anti-androgens and estrogen during most of my sessions, the results were great but androgens didn’t let the results be at its greatest potential. If you don’t have androgens in the way, your results will last a long time! I have had around a 80% reduction in hairs on my face, in which I started with dense facial hair. Laser hair removal is permanent, but you have to continue to have sessions done to continuously lessen the amount of hairs. Then you have to have top up treatments once or twice a year, to remain completely hairless.

 

[Sonolmn98]

The place I'm currently going to uses the "syneron-candela gentlemax pro." It includes multiple wavelengths to target hair depending on skin type/hair color.

Overall for fair skin/dark hair (like I also have), either alexandrite or NG:YAG laser technologies should be fine. Just stay away from IPL.

It should be pretty permanent, especially without testosterone. I did laser on my chest about 3 years ago and that hasn't returned. My facial hair is proving a bit more resilient however. But it seems pretty normal for males to require 10-12 sessions in the beard area.

As for pricing, look in your area for groupon deals. I've done this and can generally bundle about 6 sessions for a few hundred bucks.

thanks for sharing you experience i appreciate that, i have purchased 10 sessions on my beard and have done 6 so far, electrolysis will help in getting rid off the stubborn one, the tecnician there said that alexandrite is the best for fair skin dark hair type iam not sure

 

[Ikarus]

Here's pics i took just now, sorry the iso setting on the cam wasnt ajusted for window light but you can still see, still looks like utter sh*t, but then again i did stop minoxidil at the beginning of this treatment because i dont ever want to depend on minoxidil for my hair to grow, i just want real hair grown without needing a stimulant and im hoping no T + Estrogen will bring it back to life, i dont see any improvement yet. Looks like it might be the same or worse idk. The bags under my eyes are from taking DXM and tripping balls all weekend cause i don't want to think, but the bags are a sign its time to stop the DXM now lol.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4agab0lizh81m4y/AACaDM2xkqUYvz2LvQs1l0Lfa?dl=0

Those hairs will thicken up greatly... You are at a greater starting point, and you will see results. Our hair is so similar

 

[baba_yaga]

Stopping bicalutamide if you are not taking estrogen is basically nuking your hair follicles. You might as well wax every single hair follicle off your head, since your testosterone levels will be greatly elevated. Bicalutamide doesn't increase your sensitivity to androgens, and there isn't proof of that whatsoever.

I've put bica+duta as my last plan before touching any meds that alter my masculanity. In theory this combo should keep my hair forever.

I just finished arguing my mom about the importance of hair. Although she has FPHL, she still has decent coverage for her age. She simply doesnt understand how important hair is in young adults and teens. They cant get into perspective. We are on our own. More power to you guys! Well deserved results

edit: I just finished reading the first part of https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PYWaZaHazpbyOtGEWIq4krsVmqLxENIhFqJW4fBuXv8/mobilebasic
Turns out cypro is essential when taking 50 mg bica. I wonder though, would 100-150 mg bica be enough to suppress the effects of all that high test without taking cypro?

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

Estradiol should fight test levels, but I dont have enough knowledge on it.

Estradiol has to be taken at very high oral doses to effectively block test. For some reason injections are much more effective at blocking testosterone. In fact, there's an increasing number of trans HRT clinics that prefer to do monotherapy without an androgen blocker since E injections can many times get T within female ranges.

 

[hahahamyhairisdead]

I've put bica+duta as my last plan before touching any meds that alter my masculanity. In theory this combo should keep my hair forever.

I just finished arguing my mom about the importance of hair. Although she has FPHL, she still has decent coverage for her age. She simply doesnt understand how important hair is in young adults and teens. They cant get into perspective. We are on our own. More power to you guys! Well deserved results

Your mom's worried about you. She doesn't want you to hurt yourself but she can't do anything but try to calm you down.
Antiandrogens and estro are really strong medicine. Be carefull. Playing with the endocrine system is not a joke.

 

[Sonolmn98]

Your mom's worried about you. She doesn't want you to hurt yourself but she can't do anything but try to calm you down.
Antiandrogens and estro are really strong medicine. Be carefull. Playing with the endocrine system is not a joke.

My body acne that has been persistent for years is finally gone not even a trace of the overwhelming breakouts i used to get on my back and shoulders this is amazing my skin is clear!

yes! amazing indeed, be prepared for further softening, bodyhair reduction and even muscles loss if you do not mind that, i find that we all failed to transition from boys to men, and the idea of becoming a man or looking like one causes dysphoria in me similar to mtf, i call mine mtb (man to boy) transition! i wanna become a kid once more, no sexual desire or stressing over mating,you will start to derive pleasure from simple things like climibing trees and drawing instead of sex and party drugs, it is fantastic actually

 

[bridgeburn]

Oral is the most efficient. In your particular case, you have nothing to lose. I would say take 8 mg orally.

no, it should never be taken orally. pill should be taken sublingual or buccally