Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Obsessive]

maybe you could try the injection route if topical/oral E is causing your estrone to skyrocket, i've been on almost full HRT for 3.5 months and my white hairs are starting to regain color in the temple area where they were just small peach fuzz/small white hairs/almost dead hairs. my crown area looks like it has been improving a lot quicker than the rest.

Nah, that's too much systemic E. I liked the transdermal approach as I had hoped a high local concentration would mean I could use less.

 

[bridgeburn]

I am not entirely sure how beauty is perceived, but i suspect our genetics play a role in what type of face we are most attracted to and there's some psychology to it and visual aesthetic plays a role along with neurotransmitters, but on a basic non-in-depth level every one has their own idea of what is beautiful based on their favorite colors and shapes. Sometimes you can look at someone and feel like you've just taken a dose of morphine and sometimes you can look at someone and just think to yourself wow they are so beautiful but feel nothing.

and early childhood associations? some studies show children with older parents are more likely to be attracted to older partners as adults

 

[I'mme]

By the way, what do you guys think of Rob at perfecthairhealth? I tried his strategies religiously for two whole years. Even quit my job to take his regimen seriously but unfortunately, it only helped with maintenance. No regrowth.

He's too heavy on DT in my honest opinion.

But I am just curious to know what you guys think!

I never entered his website after reading that he thought going vegan would solve all his hair loss problems. Moreover, this fibrosis theory has worked for exactly 0 people in long term. Notwithstanding, his words have the power to sell ebooks and make good bucks.

 

[I'mme]

One other thing. Sorry guys for posting so much here. But what I am about to share will be insightful to some...

My hair loss story: It all started when I took 4 scoops of that shitty Whey Protein Isolate called About Time. I was taking that 5 days per week for about 2 years.

I literally escalated male pattern baldness at a very young ripe age of 24. After spending 5 years in isolation and devoting myself to research, I finally was able to connect the dots scientifically.

Whey protein isolate is a by product of dairy. It is a supplement that will significantly alter your hormones causing more serum IGF-1 (bad for hair): ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21590739

It will also lower IGFBP-3 (good for hair): ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10827403, and decelerate testosterone, SHBG, and raise DHT via an uptike in cortisol.

male pattern baldness probably would've happened for me at a later age (maybe late 30s or 40s). I know it for a fact because my dad had a full head of hair until his early 40s. My brother (who's 1.9 years older than me) has a full head of hair.

So I pretty much hacked into my hormones and escalated hair loss at a young age.

Because of this hellish journey, I despise dairy. Dairy is the culprit for most diseases (celiac, inflammation, hair loss, cancer, diabetes, insulin resistance, IBS, etc.)

Our bodies weren't mean to ingest sex hormones from another species. There is compelling data substantiating how many hormones are contained in dairy (prolactin, cortisol, DHEA, androgens etc.) let alone the carcinogenic properties <--- ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/

Based on my experience, I want to ask ALL of YOU, why can't we shift our hormones in the other direction NATURALLY to reawaken dormant hairs? We all know, that once we lose our hair it's not doomsday. Dr. Cots. proved that balding scalps still have the same number of stem cells compared to non-balding counterparts.

It's because of this analysis and hardcore experience where I strongly feel one supplement (or a combination of synergy) can have the potential of regrowing your hair. No need to dermaroller, apply topicals, eat healthy, take cold showers, use a back inversion machine, DT, use a laser helment, etc.......

Just my two cents. What do you think?

Mate you have the basics wrong. Whey protein doesn't cause or accelerate male pattern baldness, creatine may.

If you're thinking that diet would do anything, you seriously need reconsider. Diet and Androgenetic Alopecia aren't related. Period. Most bodybuilders have the best of the best diet and most of them go bald. Why? Androgens. DHT sure is a culprit. So is Test. But there may be other androgens. Why I say so? Because Cypro has worked for everyone who has taken it.

 

[I'mme]

One other thing. Sorry guys for posting so much here. But what I am about to share will be insightful to some...

My hair loss story: It all started when I took 4 scoops of that shitty Whey Protein Isolate called About Time. I was taking that 5 days per week for about 2 years.

I literally escalated male pattern baldness at a very young ripe age of 24. After spending 5 years in isolation and devoting myself to research, I finally was able to connect the dots scientifically.

Whey protein isolate is a by product of dairy. It is a supplement that will significantly alter your hormones causing more serum IGF-1 (bad for hair): ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21590739

It will also lower IGFBP-3 (good for hair): ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10827403, and decelerate testosterone, SHBG, and raise DHT via an uptike in cortisol.

male pattern baldness probably would've happened for me at a later age (maybe late 30s or 40s). I know it for a fact because my dad had a full head of hair until his early 40s. My brother (who's 1.9 years older than me) has a full head of hair.

So I pretty much hacked into my hormones and escalated hair loss at a young age.

Because of this hellish journey, I despise dairy. Dairy is the culprit for most diseases (celiac, inflammation, hair loss, cancer, diabetes, insulin resistance, IBS, etc.)

Our bodies weren't mean to ingest sex hormones from another species. There is compelling data substantiating how many hormones are contained in dairy (prolactin, cortisol, DHEA, androgens etc.) let alone the carcinogenic properties <--- ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/

Based on my experience, I want to ask ALL of YOU, why can't we shift our hormones in the other direction NATURALLY to reawaken dormant hairs? We all know, that once we lose our hair it's not doomsday. Dr. Cots. proved that balding scalps still have the same number of stem cells compared to non-balding counterparts.

It's because of this analysis and hardcore experience where I strongly feel one supplement (or a combination of synergy) can have the potential of regrowing your hair. No need to dermaroller, apply topicals, eat healthy, take cold showers, use a back inversion machine, DT, use a laser helment, etc.......

Just my two cents. What do you think?

I have seriously come to abhor the word "natural". First it has very vague meaning. Secondly, it usually mean some pseudo scientific stuff that doesn't work in majority of cases. Third, every person thinks he has the ability to find sth new, amazing and "natural", which so to say is far from reality.

 

[Jonny Craig]

Estrogen has failed me.

Stopped 3 days ago.

Was using bi-estro care, estriol+estradiol.

Going to use only progesterone now, spray on, progesterone+coconut oil.

QUESTION: If estrogen is the cause of my left side getting rekt, is it possible/likely it will come back? for some reason I think, but who knows. It's not receded just thinned out. It is transplanted hair.

 

[Jonny Craig]

How long did you use it for?

I think something like 3 months.

 

[bridgeburn]

Here is a list of drugs that influence beta expression:

Estramustine
Raloxifene
Estradiol (estrogel though is estradiol. Strange that you didn't experience regrowth. Very puzzling)
Trilostane
Genistein
Tamoxifen
Afimoxifene

add dexamethasone

btw, I don't think the problem for some is not enough beta, but too much fibrosis/ calcification which is semi-permanent after a certain point

 

[bridgeburn]

after reading that he thought going vegan would solve all his hair loss problems.

lol, why I will never go vegan:

 

[bridgeburn]

i started to lose my hair at the same time i started to eat whey protein and take creatine for gym

After 7 days of creatine loading, or a further 14 days of creatine maintenance dose, serum T levels did not change. However, levels of DHT increased by 56% after 7 days of creatine loading and remained 40% above baseline after 14 days maintenance (P < 0.001). The ratio of DHT:T also increased by 36% after 7 days creatine supplementation and remained elevated by 22% after the maintenance dose (P < 0.01).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19741313/

 

[bridgeburn]

https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/p-1436-dexmethsone-tablets-4mg.aspx

what is the point of using an anti-inflammatory drug, couldn't you just use an antihistamine like benadyl ? what does dexamethasone do for hair if you don't have an inflamed scalp or autoimmune disease ?

The Modulation of Aromatase and Estrogen Receptor Alpha in Cultured Human Dermal Papilla Cells by Dexamethasone: A Novel Mechanism for Selective Action of Estrogen via Estrogen Receptor Beta?

dexamethasone significantly stimulated the expression of aromatase mRNA approximately 9-fold.

dexamethasone significantly reduced ERa levels to 38% of the untreated control. By contrast, ERb mRNA levels were unaffected

These observations provide evidence for a glucocorticoid-dependent mechanism whereby the selective action of estradiol via ERb may be promoted.

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82440584.pdf

 

[bridgeburn]

but the carnivore diet is better for hair in my experience

but not good for health

 

[Yar]

I think I understand what he means (he wants me to use '2ml' of estradiol, whatever that means) but cyproterone acetate isn't sustainable in the long-run. It's a short-term drug with harmful side effects; I would much rather inject my testicles with alcohol than run the risk of getting brain tumours!

cpa is a common synthetic progesterone. Not natural but synthetic.

 

[Jonny Craig]

Dude you remind me of myself. Are you sure we are not related? First whey protein story, now are diets are the same? LOL. I am more like a pescatarian and eat chicken periodically.

why avoid red meat?

 

[Jonny Craig]

Bridgey is on that super model status

he's hawt, for real.

some days I am tempted to go 'all in' like him.

but then I remember, I'm too much of a pussy, to even touch finasteride/dutasteride.

 

[Jonny Craig]

But it wasn't long enough???? No vellus hair regrowth?

Some tiny hairs in the front center hairline came up.

Meanwhile my left side is getting just rekt.

Overall it looks worse....

idk man, it doesn't seem like it's helping. I had such high hopes.

 

[Yar]

Lol tbh i am unsure what a chiseled jaw looks like but being on estrogen my jaw has become more defined and less rounded / squarish than it was before.

I took it last night when i was out of it lol, but my cheeks are filling in and im losing fat on my jaw

you quickly became like a girl, probably this action biki

 

[Yar]

Lol tbh i am unsure what a chiseled jaw looks like but being on estrogen my jaw has become more defined and less rounded / squarish than it was before.

I took it last night when i was out of it lol, but my cheeks are filling in and im losing fat on my jaw

take a cpa only after a meal in 30-40 minutes.

 

[Yar]

there is one problem! I have seborrheic crusts on my head, I take cpa25 + 2ml estradiol in the morning. Evening 2ml estradiol.It should be 1) increase the dose of cpA to 50.2) take 4ml of estradiol in the morning.3) add 12.5 cpA + 2ml of estradiol to the evening.I do the conclusion is that this is a free form of testosterone that turns into dgt. I think you should increase the dose of estradiol.

 

[bridgeburn]

I want to ask ALL of YOU, why can't we shift our hormones in the other direction NATURALLY to reawaken dormant hairs?

why does it matter if this done naturally or not? baldness is a part of nature too, nature just wants us to reproduce and die.. nature must be altered and edited.
that is what I am.