Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[NorwoodingMyWay]

I was using Estriol bioidentical 5mg per pump. Topical ~100mg a day is not excessive for E3. At some point I was using 2 or 3 bottles a day to experiment. At $35 a bottle it was not really economical ($100 per day) but how could I expect results without paying the price for it?

I then switched to estrogel. A tube of 80g contains 48mg of E2 and I used 6mg so one tube per week.

I am now on s-equol at 40mg a day. That stuff is way more expensive.

Yeah, cause you are trans, so adding alot of E plays in your favor. But 95% of people here trying HRT are doing it just to save their hair, not fully transition.

 

[John Difool]

I didn't get any sides with E3 though. Just saying... And s-equol wouldn't give me sides either. No sure what "being trans" has anything to do with my post.

 

[Gergely]

I didn't get any sides with E3 though. Just saying... And s-equol wouldn't give me sides either. No sure what "being trans" has anything to do with my post.

idk, so how is your hair doing?

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

I didn't get any sides with E3 though. Just saying... And s-equol wouldn't give me sides either. No sure what "being trans" has anything to do with my post.

I was referring to the Estrogel. Using 6 mg of it (8 pumps) is enough to be on an E monotherapy and nuke Testosterone.

 

[John Difool]

Funny you are posting this on a thread where people who reported success were using hrt to get amazing results. Were you aware?

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

Funny you are posting this on a thread where people who reported success were using hrt to get amazing results. Were you aware?

Yeah...?? I mean my regimen is HRT, so i know what i'm talking about.



All i'm saying is that there is a difference between being fully trans, and using HRT to gain hair. Are you aware ??

 

[John Difool]

Ask the other people who posted on this thread if you want to know. Iirc @bridgeburn didn't seem to have any trouble with sides so did the others.

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

Ask the other people who posted on this thread if you want to know. Iirc @bridgeburn didn't seem to have any trouble with sides so did the others.

@bridgeburn got gyno, can no longer orgasm, but his erectile functions remains only when in the mood. Those are guaranteed side effects of HRT (some lose function downstairs entirely, but i guess it brings less dysphoria to transwomen).





I would actually love to know what he is up to. If you know his regimen, please share it with me.

 

[John Difool]

Last I heard on discord E2 and Bica Duta was the regimen. Pretty much standard classic stuff for HRT with no option to drop AA and DHT blocker if you don't push E2 monotherapy. I agree that taking this regimen without gender dysphoria may result in a pretty interesting lifestyle but it is what it is. As for losing libido and ED folks on this forum report same sides with Fina or minoxidil so not sure what to make of that. The good thing about HRT is at least you got lab work to give a clue and T In female range still gives you PIV function.

 

[Rysteve93]

Yeah I see a lot of “natural” bio estrogen product is that the correct one? Sorry if I’m coming across naive man. Also I see you posting here with a lot of useful information.. am I correct in saying.. in order for estrogen to promote hair, I will need to nuke my test? My dht is already gone I’ve been on dust for nearly 2 years.

what would be possible outcome of me using estrogen without nuking T?
Thanks a lot

 

[pegasus2]

Anyone using bica or cypro instead of spironolactone should also be using eplerenone to block the mineralocorticoid receptor. Bica and cypro won't cover that, and that's probably why they don't seem to grow as much hair as spironolactone.

 

[John Difool]

I am using Bica because it binds well at 50mg it blocks my low T and ups E2 without being a steroid. My DHT fluctuates from undetectable to low level so I use Duta (scalp injections) and oral. Additionally I am using Cypro at low dose for last 3 months and next lab work I'll try to wind down and stop it. Eplerenone is part of my regimen. Because it's more potent than spironolactone I use 50mg bid.

 

[John Difool]

Yeah I see a lot of “natural” bio estrogen product is that the correct one? Sorry if I’m coming across naive man. Also I see you posting here with a lot of useful information.. am I correct in saying.. in order for estrogen to promote hair, I will need to nuke my test? My dht is already gone I’ve been on dust for nearly 2 years.

what would be possible outcome of me using estrogen without nuking T?
Thanks a lot

How do you know your DHT is "gone"? Duta doesn't completely remove it so I wonder how you came to that conclusion. Also DHT can be produced by the classic gonodal pathway and if you are unlucky the backdoor adrenal pathway. That's the reason I do blood tests. HRT helped me stopped outguessing by measuring blood levels. A quest test convering all hormone levels cost $70.

I use this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DFT26CS/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_i_ZMggFb92S4BBF

That brand also carries the progesterone cream. I mix both and apply on face and scalp when I am lazy making my own.

 

[Stephen788]

Things sadly blew up badly on the discord, such a shame it happened but i think it's best for everyone involved to move on.

lol what happened on the discord. I thought ikarus kicked me out.
I didn’t think anyone was arguing.

 

[John Difool]

It's not my understanding. If you scroll back in this very thread he mentioned that he deleted the channel by mistake.

 

[John Difool]

what would be possible outcome of me using estrogen without nuking T?
Thanks a lot

Anyone telling you what will happen is just speculating. Everyone is different. The trick is to balance your dosage and in some cases counter their side effects with other drugs. There is no perfect answer to this. You need to decide what matters the most to you.

 

[Rysteve93]

A lot of your are taking estrogen (as I’m thinking about possibly to) but do any of Yous actually have Good regrowth? Very few people.

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

A lot of your are taking estrogen (as I’m thinking about possibly to) but do any of Yous actually have Good regrowth? Very few people.

For me personally, when i was on dutasteride for a whole year, it gave me 75% stabilization / 25% regrowth (hairline and crown). Adding AAs and E, the ratio shifted towards regrowth significantly in a matter of 3 months ( and it's still going). It made it clear to me that i was also sensitive to Testosterone.




I don't think E alone is the primary driver of hair regrowth. E + AAs synergestically play along and permit the hair follicles to thrive in an E + low Androgen environment.

 

[John Difool]

Of course, pre-monopause cis female ranges for DHT T and E2 will get you there but be ready to deal with sides.

 

[pegasus2]

For me personally, when i was on dutasteride for a whole year, it gave me 75% stabilization / 25% regrowth (hairline and crown). Adding AAs and E, the ratio shifted towards regrowth significantly in a matter of 3 months ( and it's still going). It made it clear to me that i was also sensitive to Testosterone.




I don't think E alone is the primary driver of hair regrowth. E + AAs synergestically play along and permit the hair follicles to thrive in an E + low Androgen environment.

I disagree completely. The number of positive growth-regulators upregulated by E, and negative growth-regulators downregulated, is simply astounding.