Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[JaneyElizabeth]

Blockers at 12, estradiol at 13. Like Emily Tressa. Anything less is too little. I will die on this hill, it's too important.

Wow. You have a story to tell. Why not go through some of it for the MtF audience on my thread, lol.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I wrote a short entry about the headspace that a cis-guy has to be ready to acknowledge. There's no escaping that self-confrontation.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Dogo, you are a very fast writer. Sheets of words have just poured out of me as I have transitioned and hundreds of pages of an unfinished novel, sigh about the head space of all of this.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

I know for a fact a lot of boomer parents were fucked up and did fucked up sh*t to their kids, I saw it growing up and I was subject to a parent who was openly decried for being a munchausen by a doctor.

The world is full of people like that and what better way to feel "special" than to bully your kid into thinking they're something they're not.

The depths of depravity that I've seen parents sink to in mistreating their kids is pretty f*****g abyssmal.

 

[Ephemeral-Kitten]

Last time I break the rule.

I am worried about psycho parents who bully their kids into thinking they're trans when they're not.

And once more, I'm far more inclined to believe that happens than somebody at that age feeling there's something seriously wrong with their presented or designated gender.

It probably does, but the world is full of sick politicized psychos and munchausen parents than actual self aware trans people at that age.

You know what's far more common? The psycho parents who bully their kids into not taking HRT. Like my parents. The situation you're talking about is much more rare. Also we're talking about teens. Anyone younger than 12 or 13 is just social transitioning anyway. Blockers are a compromise becuase they're reversible, but that's just to appease the cisoids. They care about the lives of one cis boy accidentally taking HRT much more than the lives of I don't know how many trans girls being irreversible destroyed; 10? 20? 10000?

It's not acceptable to destroy the lives of the majority of people seeking treatment for a tiny majority of confused cis boys or teens with psychotic parents. They could do a year of therapy while on the GnRH analog before taking something less reversible like estradiol; that is a compromise, but it would eliminate the risk you're talking about.

One trans girl's life being destroyed is not worth less than a cis boy accidentally taking HRT. Estradiol should be OTC anyway though, like it is in many countries.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

Dogo, you are a very fast writer. Sheets of words have just poured out of me as I have transitioned and hundreds of pages of an unfinished novel, sigh about the head space of all of this.

I am, sorry, I am also a writer as well.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

My parents tried to (and still try to) prevent me from being trans, which I think is far more likely the case than a parent forcing their kid to be trans

 

[Ephemeral-Kitten]

I know for a fact a lot of boomer parents were fucked up and did fucked up sh*t to their kids, I saw it growing up and I was subject to a parent who was openly decried for being a munchausen by a doctor.

The world is full of people like that and what better way to feel "special" than to bully your kid into thinking they're something they're not.

The depths of depravity that I've seen parents sink to in mistreating their kids is pretty f*****g abyssmal.

Yeah my boomer parents fucked up my estradiol access while I was a teen. It goes the opposite direction of what you're saying or what you're afraid of happening.

They literally tried to bully me into thinking I'm something I'm not (cisgender man). You've got everything backwards. You're right about the bullying and depravity though; it just goes against trans girls.

 

[Gergely]

Estradiol turned out to be expensive, so if I want to strengthen my regimen, I would rather choose 50mg Bicalutamide + 1mg Finasteride + 100mg spironolactone
It may also be safer in terms of breast growth, muscle retention, etc.

50mg bica will do you in, mark my words. I didn't have gyno on 2mg e and 100mg spironolactone

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Estradiol turned out to be expensive, so if I want to strengthen my regimen, I would rather choose 50mg Bicalutamide + 1mg Finasteride + 100mg spironolactone
It may also be safer in terms of breast growth, muscle retention, etc.

We always can get gyno surgergy. Whats most concerning for me is fat redistribution and muscle loss, as well as ED.

The problem is: how long can we keep that strong kind of strong regimen!? Its undoable to keep that. You will definitely get to the point, where you just CAN'T handle it. But I am on the same boat, being desparate. Started with finasteride now, might consider bica when I am finally 18.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

You know what's far more common? The psycho parents who bully their kids into not taking HRT. Like my parents. The situation you're talking about is much more rare. Also we're talking about teens. Anyone younger than 12 or 13 is just social transitioning anyway. Blockers are a compromise becuase they're reversible, but that's just to appease the cisoids. They care about the lives of one cis boy accidentally taking HRT much more than the lives of I don't know how many trans girls being irreversible destroyed; 10? 20? 10000?

It's not acceptable to destroy the lives of the majority of people seeking treatment for a tiny majority of confused cis boys or teens with psychotic parents. They could do a year of therapy while on the GnRH analog before taking something less reversible like estradiol; that is a compromise, but it would eliminate the risk you're talking about.

One trans girl's life being destroyed is not worth less than a cis boy accidentally taking HRT. Estradiol should be OTC anyway though, like it is in many countries.

You mean in Walgreen's? Estradiol is one day away from Amazon. That's how I hid my usage for so long from my ex. A couple of times I bought off-shore but mostly Biestro for six years plus now 2 years of formal HRT.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

My parents tried to (and still try to) prevent me from being trans, which I think is far more likely the case than a parent forcing their kid to be trans

My sister broke off all relations with me and told me that my children will hate me. My ex took them to another state six years ago.

 

[Ephemeral-Kitten]

You mean in Walgreen's? Estradiol is one day away from Amazon. That's how I hid my usage for so long from my ex. A couple of times I bought off-shore but mostly Biestro for six years plus now 2 years of formal HRT.

I mean pharmaceutical grade estradiol. And yes, Walgreens, CVS, etc. For now one has to resort to online pharmacies without an Rx.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

>>cisoids

Ok well your bias is well established then.

The problem is that munchausen by proxy is pretty common and parents are right to be terrified of the idea of using exogenous hormones on kids because even hormone blockers can f*** up puberty, especially for boys.

The time lost from using hormone blockers during puberty is not time they can gain again later on in life, that's taken from them permanently and will permanently affect their morphology should they decide not to fully transition.

Being cautious and circumspect isn't abuse, but the incidence of munchausen by proxy among kids under age 16 is 0.5/100,000 documented.

And I don't believe such a disorder is relegated to merely harming a child but merely using the child as a means to garner attention.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

We always can get gyno surgergy. Whats most concerning for me is fat redistribution and muscle loss, as well as ED.

The problem is: how long can we keep that strong kind of strong regimen!? Its undoable to keep that. You will definitely get to the point, where you just CAN'T handle it. But I am on the same boat, being desparate. Started with finasteride now, might consider bica when I am finally 18.

But most MtF's like to be hyper-female to a certain extent. I use Estrogel on my *** and thighs because I like cellulite, sigh.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

50mg bica will do you in, mark my words. I didn't have gyno on 2mg e and 100mg spironolactone

Good to know, too bad I can't take spironolactone though, it would dry me out horribly.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I mean pharmaceutical grade estradiol. And yes, Walgreens, CVS, etc. For now one has to resort to online pharmacies without an Rx.

I agree but I got in trouble for saying T should be prescription only. Estradiol is hard to abuse, Goddess knows.

 

[Ephemeral-Kitten]

>>cisoids

Ok well your bias is well established then.

The problem is that munchausen by proxy is pretty common and parents are right to be terrified of the idea of using exogenous hormones on kids because even hormone blockers can f*** up puberty, especially for boys.

The time lost from using hormone blockers during puberty is not time they can gain again later on in life, that's taken from them permanently and will permanently affect their morphology should they decide not to fully transition.

Being cautious and circumspect isn't abuse, but the incidence of munchausen by proxy among kids under age 16 is 0.5/100,000 documented.

And I don't believe such a disorder is relegated to merely harming a child but merely using the child as a means to garner attention.

Don't block access for all trans teen girls to preventing their bones from being destroyed forever irreversibly and having their voice destroyed irreversibly because of a tiny minority of psycho parents when the vast overwhelming majority of parents are abusive towards trans teens.

One cis boy's life is not worth more than one trans girl's life. The lack of access for trans teens happens more often than the munchausen BS.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Good to know, too bad I can't take spironolactone though, it would dry me out horribly.

You can take over for me as the voice of non-breast growth. Dogo is giving me a hard time in a nice way about giving up on a path for cis guys that doesn't feminize.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

>>cisoids

Ok well your bias is well established then.

The problem is that munchausen by proxy is pretty common and parents are right to be terrified of the idea of using exogenous hormones on kids because even hormone blockers can f*** up puberty, especially for boys.

The time lost from using hormone blockers during puberty is not time they can gain again later on in life, that's taken from them permanently and will permanently affect their morphology should they decide not to fully transition.

Being cautious and circumspect isn't abuse, but the incidence of munchausen by proxy among kids under age 16 is 0.5/100,000 documented.

And I don't believe such a disorder is relegated to merely harming a child but merely using the child as a means to garner attention.

The incidence of transgenderism is much higher than munchausen by proxy. So it's odd to safeguard for one by limiting the other