Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Yar]

The use of estradiol alone thinns the hair,since another hormone,progesterone, is responsible for supporting the hair, which makes the hair thicker, estradiol has an antagonism with progesterone.I was convinced of this!I started taking progesterone and my hair started to feel different after getting the progesterone, it started to spike like wheat!Estradiol should only be used with progesterone!If you use estradiol separately, it begins to thin the hair,as estradiol antagonizes with natural progesterone.And gradually the concentration of progesterone begins to fall and the hair that was once more different becomes thinned.

 

[Yar]

The use of estradiol alone does not give good results,gradually estradiol thinns the hair.After taking progesterone, they begin to spike.These are two natural antiandrogens!

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Don't know what to do against this diffuse thinning...

I hope finasteride+bicalutamide will fix this ,_,

I might use minoxidil when the shedding of Androgenetic Alopecia stopped.

I will be bald in a few years if I dont do smt.

 

[Yar]

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Не знаю, что делать против этого диффузного истончения ...

Надеюсь, финастерид + бикалутамид исправят это, _,

Я мог бы использовать миноксидил, когда прекратилось избавление от андрогенетической алопеции.

You need to use progesterone, not these drugs, hair growth depends on two hormones it is based on progesterone and part of estradiol

 

[Pls_NW-1]

You need to use progesterone, not these drugs, hair growth depends on two hormones it is based on progesterone and part of estradiol

But I am not transgender. I can't take heavy hormones and destroy my androgens. I still want to be male.

 

[Yar]

Но я не трансгендер. Я не могу принимать тяжелые гормоны и разрушать свои андрогены. Я все еще хочу быть мужчиной.

This will not turn you into a woman,it will restore the normal level of progesterone

 

[tato123]

The use of estradiol alone thinns the hair,since another hormone,progesterone, is responsible for supporting the hair, which makes the hair thicker, estradiol has an antagonism with progesterone.I was convinced of this!I started taking progesterone and my hair started to feel different after getting the progesterone, it started to spike like wheat!Estradiol should only be used with progesterone!If you use estradiol separately, it begins to thin the hair,as estradiol antagonizes with natural progesterone.And gradually the concentration of progesterone begins to fall and the hair that was once more different becomes thinned.

Your statement is not true.

Note that female patients who are on anti-conception therapy with only progesterone have hair loss in a diffuse pattern most of the time, high progesterone.
Note that the function of progesterone in men is to decrease the conversion of Testesterone to DHT, so of course you will have an extra result.


However, note that patients even on CPA (prostagene) and e2 are unable to grow hair, that is, they have amounts of progesterone and e2 and still do not grow.

Note that e2 will cause feminization of your body as a whole and hair loss is not just DHT, it has to do with much more.

Note that at some point in your XY life you had hair and almost no progesterone.

Note that in men much less progesterone than estradiol.

You need a dominant sex hormone to regrow.

Low-dose progesterone can increase growth in some cases I agree, but you cannot state your hypothesis as you did. Different bodies, different reasons, different hormonal imbalances.

Sorry for looking a little rude, it was not my intention, just understand that you can influence the treatment of many people by posting this here.

Peace my friends

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Your statement is not true.

Note that female patients who are on anti-conception therapy with only progesterone have hair loss in a diffuse pattern most of the time, high progesterone.
Note that the function of progesterone in men is to decrease the conversion of Testesterone to DHT, so of course you will have an extra result.


However, note that patients even on CPA (prostagene) and e2 are unable to grow hair, that is, they have amounts of progesterone and e2 and still do not grow.

Note that e2 will cause feminization of your body as a whole and hair loss is not just DHT, it has to do with much more.

Note that at some point in your XY life you had hair and almost no progesterone.

Note that in men much less progesterone than estradiol.

You need a dominant sex hormone to regrow.

Low-dose progesterone can increase growth in some cases I agree, but you cannot state your hypothesis as you did. Different bodies, different reasons, different hormonal imbalances.

Sorry for looking a little rude, it was not my intention, just understand that you can influence the treatment of many people by posting this here.

Peace my friends

Tato, what do you think of Finasteride/Dutasteride + proper doses of Bicalutamide ?

 

[tato123]

Hi good morning @Pls_NW-1

Bicalutamide as I have been saying seems to be the perfect treatment, endogenously increases T and E2 by greater conversion via aromatase

Higher T= high e2 = higher DHT

A 5ar inhibitor would do just that block dht cascade

Oh, this is it, it would have to be the perfect treatment, but I still see people who don't grow up.


If you do not respond to any hormonal treatment at least is a differential diagnosis, we can start thinking about autoimmune background.

But if your hair loss is pattern this is the way

 

[Almas]

Tato, what do you think of Finasteride/Dutasteride + proper doses of Bicalutamide ?

imba. The main thing is to start treatment on time.

 

[tato123]

I think that E2 in bicalutamide is contradictory, it involves a lot of human physiology, note that bicalutamide increases testosterone and consequently estrogen, however, when using exogenous doses of female hormones, we decrease our LH / FSH axis, that is, drop in testosterone production and drop in conversion of e2, and then we supplement more e2?

There will be a strange change in the minimum, possibly it will unbalance its entire axis, I would go with bicalutamide +5 arblocker as you said.

I've seen some successful cases of e2 + bicalutamide but this is difficult to handle I think it's the last measure

 

[tato123]

Note that with a dramatic increase in E2 and testosterone your adrenals will in theory try to balance your baseline progesterone levels, your body works for homeostasis.

 

[Yar]

Your statement is not true.

Note that female patients who are on anti-conception therapy with only progesterone have hair loss in a diffuse pattern most of the time, high progesterone.
Note that the function of progesterone in men is to decrease the conversion of Testesterone to DHT, so of course you will have an extra result.


However, note that patients even on CPA (prostagene) and e2 are unable to grow hair, that is, they have amounts of progesterone and e2 and still do not grow.

Note that e2 will cause feminization of your body as a whole and hair loss is not just DHT, it has to do with much more.

Note that at some point in your XY life you had hair and almost no progesterone.

Note that in men much less progesterone than estradiol.

You need a dominant sex hormone to regrow.

Low-dose progesterone can increase growth in some cases I agree, but you cannot state your hypothesis as you did. Different bodies, different reasons, different hormonal imbalances.

Sorry for looking a little rude, it was not my intention, just understand that you can influence the treatment of many people by posting this here.

Peace my friends

Ciproterone is not a progesterone,I personally experienced everything on myself.The natural hormones progesterone and estradiol only grow hair!Any finasteride,Bica, and the like will not give results,only the fact that originally laid out by nature for the preservation of hair growth!

 

[tato123]

Ciproterone is not a progesterone,I personally experienced everything on myself.The natural hormones progesterone and estradiol only grow hair!Any finasteride,Bica, and the like will not give results,only the fact that originally laid out by nature for the preservation of hair growth!

You are wrong again, please search, CPA is an analogue to progesterone works similarly in our body, imitates progesterone
Sorry buddy, I just want to help

 

[Yar]

Вы снова ошибаетесь, поискайте, CPA аналог прогестерона работает аналогично в нашем организме, имитирует прогестерон
Извини, приятель, я просто хочу помочь

No it is not a progesterone and cannot work as a progesterone

 

[tato123]

No it is not a progesterone and cannot work as a progesterone

zzzzzzzzzz, search my friend , search , I won't be wasting time here


Peace and honor friends .

 

[Pls_NW-1]

imba. The main thing is to start treatment on time.

What means "starting treatment on time"? I can't get bica yet on my hands. Maybe in August, at the earliest.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

You are wrong again, please search, CPA is an analogue to progesterone works similarly in our body, imitates progesterone
Sorry buddy, I just want to help

To be clear, CPA and MPA are synthetic analogues of progesterone in the family of progestins. Some such engineered drugs can act as almost perfect analogues like some of the synthetic marijuanas but they have a completely different chemical structure; these do not. They both lower T and are far less focused on receptors but on rather a means of lower T levels in general which makes them more testing friendly. They both have been used for feminization far longer than bica and also for hair loss that is hormonally driven.

Tato has advanced training in the field of chemistry but others of us say the same things over and over and I am growing weary. People should read the first 150 pages of the thread.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

but I still see people who don't grow up.

What do you mean exactly by this line?

 

[Pls_NW-1]

I think that E2 in bicalutamide is contradictory, it involves a lot of human physiology, note that bicalutamide increases testosterone and consequently estrogen, however, when using exogenous doses of female hormones, we decrease our LH / FSH axis, that is, drop in testosterone production and drop in conversion of e2, and then we supplement more e2?

There will be a strange change in the minimum, possibly it will unbalance its entire axis, I would go with bicalutamide +5 arblocker as you said.

I've seen some successful cases of e2 + bicalutamide but this is difficult to handle I think it's the last measure

Oh wow! This post is really great yes! I haven't thought about its interaction like this yet, but it makes totally sense.