Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[JaneyElizabeth]

I'm 27 now, I started balding before 18. It was really slow, I didn't even really notice until I was basically NW3 at 23ish.... I didn't bother starting finasteride/min or anything else at the time cause I figured I'd be dead by 25. I kinda wish I had old pictures to show but I refused to be on camera

Have you thought about using tretinoin and derma-rolling on your scalp? (and face, because it does great things to improve looks facially). Also, consider massaging your forehead and temples and getting botox on your masseter muscles. I have that done every six months and it will both feminize your face and lower tension on the sides and back of the neck. Rob English cited to a study where this increased hair counts by about 20 percent.

I will probably write about the masseter treatment on my thread. My doctor says that he is doing much less cosmetic surgery because they can achieve many goals using only botox and filler to feminize the face. With the results potentially on hair, botox relaxation of the masseters is like a two'fer. Some of these young guys on here might want to consider the botox of the masseter as well. Botox just on the masseters is not too bad but the overall costs of my treatments with that and filler are not cheap.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Yooo it’s getting so much better!

Lol. I have had a good side and bad side going back to my early 20's. I think it is because surface tension/tightening of the scalp occurs more on one side than the other. It used to suck because my hair looked better on one side if I parted it there but then it looked worse in the crown. If I tried to obscure the crown, then it looked worse where I parted it.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

July 12th 2020 I started estradiol, 5th of August I started bica.

I needle (dermapen m8) every week but only the bald areas because it's such a hassle going over areas with hair. I also apply tretinoin to my forehead but not my temples (I know its good in combination with minoxidil but does it help without?)

It really is but it has slowed down so much :/ I know I should be happy because I've already regrown so much. I'm pretty sure I'll be at my full potential by the end of the year

HRT has done much more for me than just hair though. I've lost three rashes that I've had my entire life that no dermatologist ever managed to fix, I don't get headaches every day anymore (actually haven't had a headache since I started HRT)

My feeling is that estradiol and tretinoin together pack a wallop of a punch and they de-age pretty much all tissue. I use tretinoin at least once weekly and also when I microneedle.

I had the exact same thing with the rashes and HRT helped but beard removal really stopped the cycles of dermatitis and P. acnes rashes which were making my life miserable and making shaving into a half-hour or more process because I had to stop the bleeding before leaving the house.

HRT is something that apart from the breeding issues, I would recommend to anyone in terms of longevity promotion and improvement in attractiveness.

 

[Almas]

What happens if I start HRT throughout the year to grow my hair? Will people around me notice that I'm changing? Will I be considered unusual, strange, or suspected that I look too feminine?

The second question is, is it necessary to reach female E levels in order to get results? Or can you balance by getting results?

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

What happens if I start HRT throughout the year to grow my hair? Will people around me notice that I'm changing? Will I be considered unusual, strange, or suspected that I look too feminine?

The second question is, is it necessary to reach female E levels in order to get results? Or can you balance by getting results?

Femininzation of the face is pretty gradual and along with hair regrowth, in my case came last. I looked female from the neck down and male from the neck up for a pretty long time.

To answer your second question, I think that hitting female targets is almost certain to give you the hair results you want; the issue is whether having lowered T and higher E but still outside of the adult female targets will give you the same reliable results. I honestly don't believe that body feminization will be any different in either scenario but your face and hair might lag in changes if you don't hit targets for six to 12 months. So your being a guinea pig benefits everyone as a data point. I just can't wait to see your pics cause then we can all chime in some.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Femininzation of the face is pretty gradual and along with hair regrowth, in my case came last. I looked female from the neck down and male from the neck up for a pretty long time.

To answer your second question, I think that hitting female targets is almost certain to give you the hair results you want; the issue is whether having lowered T and higher E but still outside of the adult female targets will give you the same reliable results. I honestly don't believe that body feminization will be any different in either scenario but your face and hair might lag in changes if you don't hit targets for six to 12 months. So your being a guinea pig benefits everyone as a data point. I just can't wait to see your pics cause then we can all chime in some.

You and pls have accumulated a lot of knowledge very quickly and at a young age and your comments, both of you, have increased in my opinion, in terms of being more open to suggestions, yes but also in terms of being stated in a way that can benefit others.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

By the way, I think that I saw ROE on today. Welcome back and I hope that your hair has continued to improve but the last time you showed me, it looked so good that you probably didn't need to progress further because you are already there in terms of restoration.

 

[DHTHUNTER]

Bicalutamide should work. It works in women and works in mice with Androgenetic Alopecia, there is research on that. In theory, this is the perfect medicine. But in practice, we have people who continue to go bald while using Bicalutamide. I don't know how this is possible, but it happens and we cannot do anything about it.

I am Norwood 0. All I need is to stop the progression and slight thickening. If Bicalutamide stops, it will already be a victory, because then I can temporarily add E to thicken, and then continue to maintain the results on Bica. But in this thread, we have at least 4 people on whom Bicalutamide had no effect.

bicalutamide is not able to cure baldness. there are only success stories for cyproterone and spironolactone. you want to grow hair and have testosterone together. This is not possible. Bicalutamide should only be used after the hair has grown.

 

[Almas]

the issue is whether having lowered T and higher E but still outside of the adult female targets will give you the same reliable results

This is an interesting question. The point is, all cis guys want to grow their hair out to tolerate the least feminization possible. You need to grow your hair out before your face changes too much. I will study at the university. I don’t want others to point a finger at me and say that I look strange.

 

[DHTHUNTER]

You should have a result like Bridgeburn. At this dosage E, you should completely restore your hair. This is HRT

@Itsnoahkennedy as you can see, a person cannot restore hair even on HRT. You succeeded, but he does not succeed, although he does everything right. I don't know how to explain this sh*t.

he cured baldness not with bicalutamide.

 

[Almas]

bicalutamide is not able to cure baldness. there are only success stories for cyproterone and spironolactone. you want to train both hair and testosterone together. This is not possible. Bicalutamide should only be used after the hair has grown.

Bicalutamide blocks androgen receptors, so this T does not function in the scalp. It also raises E to the upper range, which, when combined with receptor blocking, can produce moderate growth. But this does not work for everyone.

 

[Almas]

he cured baldness not with bicalutamide.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

bicalutamide is not able to cure baldness. there are only success stories for cyproterone and spironolactone. you want to train both hair and testosterone together. This is not possible. Bicalutamide should only be used after the hair has grown.

Yikes. If that is true, then there will be a few crest-fallen folks on here. In the MtF world, people are hyper-focused on breast growth and body feminization and there are far fewer questions about hair loss since most of the new ones don't have hair issues since they are so young. People tout bica as being good for breast growth, here:

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

But hair loss is not something that he is known for treating and he refuses to prescribe reductase inhibitors even for FtM's. I met a person over there who was really into bica and who told me about the @bridgeburn site so that's how I ended up over here since I wasn't finding much interest in hair loss on the reddit MtF sites. Anecdotally, she was balding since 15 and now is 23, I think and I got the impression that even with bica, that she had given up on hair restoration. This person was like almas and Pls and knew tons about HRT and the mechanisms of feminization.

So I am agnostic but I think that bica should help with hair loss at least in conjunction with E2 but I am E2 only except for progesterone/medroxyprogesterone acetate.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

This is an interesting question. The point is, all cis guys want to grow their hair out to tolerate the least feminization possible. You need to grow your hair out before your face changes too much. I will study at the university. I don’t want others to point a finger at me and say that I look strange.

Look at @bridgeburn's pics but only at his face. That is probably best case/worst case scenario for anyone depending on whether facial feminization is a bug or a feature. To me, he looked very young facially and even a bit frail but overall, he was all but completely androgynous. It's usually a plus in terms of looks but if you look at the facial judgment studies involving women, many women appear to prefer oval-ish faces in general and find them more attractive but during estrus, they often then prefer blockier, squarish faces. It's all too predictable in terms of eggs being precious and sperm being cheap.

 

[Almas]

Yikes. If that is true, then there will be a few crest-fallen folks on here. In the MtF world, people are hyper-focused on breast growth and body feminization and there are far fewer questions about hair loss since most of the new ones don't have hair issues since they are so young. People tout bica as being good for breast growth, here:

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

But hair loss is not something that he is known for treating and he refuses to prescribe reductase inhibitors even for FtM's. I met a person over there who was really into bica and who told me about the @bridgeburn site so that's how I ended up over here since I wasn't finding much interest in hair loss on the reddit MtF sites. Anecdotally, she was balding since 15 and now is 23, I think and I got the impression that even with bica, that she had given up on hair restoration. This person was like almas and Pls and knew tons about HRT and the mechanisms of feminization.

So I am agnostic but I think that bica should help with hair loss at least in conjunction with E2 but I am E2 only except for progesterone/medroxyprogesterone acetate.

Bicalutamide should at least stop the progression. This is already a victory. This is the main goal, because in this case we can grow on HRT and maintain the result on Bicalutamide

 

[DHTHUNTER]

Bicalutamide blocks androgen receptors, so this T does not function in the scalp. It also raises E to the upper range, which, when combined with receptor blocking, can produce moderate growth. But this does not work for everyone.

research and practice are different things.

 

[DHTHUNTER]

the photo shows that he also used minoxidil.

 

[Almas]

research and practice are different things.

Bicalutamide is not that popular, which is why we have fewer reports. But if used for HRT, it is not inferior to CPA: it does not matter at female hormone levels.
We have few people who have tried it without E. Some have succeeded and some have not. Most of the success was achieved with dosages of 100mg. I am using 75

 

[Almas]

the photo shows that he also used minoxidil.

no

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

This is an interesting question. The point is, all cis guys want to grow their hair out to tolerate the least feminization possible. You need to grow your hair out before your face changes too much. I will study at the university. I don’t want others to point a finger at me and say that I look strange.

Botox of the masseter muscles is something that you should look into for hair regrowth but it does somewhat feminize the face from very little to much in terms of narrowing a squarish face. It's not expensive and Rob English has cited to one study indicating an eighteen percent increase in hair counts although I am dubious as to whether this study can be replicated to that extent. It should help some and for MtF's, in my opinion, relaxation of the masseter muscles is close to a no brainer as it shouldn't cost more than a couple of hundred dollars annually if it is done at six month intervals. Once the masseter muscles are down to normal cis-female levels in terms of withering from development, further use of botox is likely to be unnecessary for those on HRT.