Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

keepcoolmybabies

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You started well, but ended up with complete BDD bullshit that I've already had to answer. Probably, in your world, any person who takes their appearance seriously and avoids turning into a ugly orc suffers from mental illness, and even the one who puts on braces or takes care of the skin of the face is sick
Regarding the study: as I understand it, the study of Flutamide was conducted on patients with already stabilized baldness. It changes a lot, doesn't it? The study of Bicalutamide, on the other hand, had a short period, during which it is impossible to judge whether baldness is stabilized. But I admit that it works well for women. But since it does not work for men from this forum, I am not particularly interested in this.

It's a shame that Bicalutamide didn't help most people on this forum. I don’t know how effective it is in women, but among men, only a few responded to it
Dutasteride, according to studies, is good for men. But firstly, baldness has different aggressiveness, and there are practically no young guys in the studies. And secondly, I advise you to look at the photo of any finasteride and Duta research: freezing baldness at a large stage is considered a success. If they started taking drugs immediately at the onset of baldness, for example, on Norwood 1, the results would be more interesting. I do not think that stopping hair loss on Norwood 2-4 is a good result.
The reason I think bica works for women and not men is that in men it raises T levels but effectively prevents T from binding, so that excess likely converts to DHT which has far more affinity for androgen receptors than bica does. So imo bica should never be used without being in conjunction with a 5ari (or e2 which will prevent much of the increase in T due to hpa axis)
 

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Thats why I said to him its brainless to upgrade to bica and then lower 5ar blockade from dutasteride to finasteride… you are essentially downgrading your regimen since only dht is important in hairloss.
Well I think T might also cause hairloss in people whose receptors are suuuper sensitive. But T has a fraction of the binding affinity that dht does, so doesn't pose nearly the same threat. But that might be to blame in those who get increased hairloss after introducing dutasteride
 

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The reason I think bica works for women and not men is that in men it raises T levels but effectively prevents T from binding, so that excess likely converts to DHT which has far more affinity for androgen receptors than bica does. So imo bica should never be used without being in conjunction with a 5ari (or e2 which will prevent much of the increase in T due to hpa axis)
Won’t a significant portion of that T aromatize in women?


Well I think T might also cause hairloss in people whose receptors are suuuper sensitive. But T has a fraction of the binding affinity that dht does, so doesn't pose nearly the same threat. But that might be to blame in those who get increased hairloss after introducing dutasteride

I used to lean towards this theory but when you consider that pseudohermaphrodites (lacking 5AR) never lose hair it makes me believe that the dutasteride hair loss could have to do with upregulation. But perhaps it is a combination. Hmm…
 

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Won’t a significant portion of that T aromatize in women?




I used to lean towards this theory but when you consider that pseudohermaphrodites (lacking 5AR) never lose hair it makes me believe that the dutasteride hair loss could have to do with upregulation. But perhaps it is a combination. Hmm…
T can be aromatized to E in either sex, and bica generally increases E lvls in cis men taking bica alone. But that increase in T won't occur in cis women (or trans women using E due to its antigonadotropin effect causing negative feedback on the hpg axis).


As for T causing hairloss, I'm honestly not sure. Your point about 5ar deficient individuals being immune to hairloss is valid and made me believe at one time dht was the only potential cause. But I'm really not sure one way or another. I suppose dutasteride could be increasing receptor sensitivity of starved receptors upregulating to such a degree that even a minor amount of dht is potent enough to decimate hair in such unlucky individuals. But who knows ultimately
 
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Without fertility you are not man
This assertion is not supported by anything. It's nothing more than your imagination. In Russia, some say that one who has not served in the army is not a man. You are spouting similar nonsense, which is based on nothing. I don't think a man is defined by his fertility and erection lol
And I don't understand fertility concerns from those who aren't even planning to have children. In my opinion, such contradictory is a sign of dementia.
 
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This assertion is not supported by anything. It's nothing more than your imagination. In Russia, some say that one who has not served in the army is not a man. You are spouting similar nonsense, which is based on nothing. I don't think a man is defined by his fertility and erection lol
Hey... How is ur hair?.. Treatment working?
 

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But you will be ready for the balkan summer!!did your doctor say after how many days do you hit the gym??Also can you use via gra together with oral minoxidil?
 

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My biggest mistake I did was to try estrogen, nothing came good out of it as non trans person. I got worse/thinner skin,no regrowth whatsoever,sunken in cheeks like meth addict,shrunken balls (1/4 of original size, now reversed),no muscles,big f*****g tits which im gonna get surgery for in next few days and no energy/depression with 0 libido… theres more probably this were first ones to come up to my mind.
If anyone wants to try HRT “safely” they can just try Bicalutamide high dose monotherapy (with dutasteride), its same effect just much safer (for balls) if you monitor liver enzymes. You would get e2 to lower end of premenopausal women and testosterone activation to women levels. If you dont regrow hair in that environment its very likely full hrt would not benefit you much more. And whats the point in regrowing hair on 8mg E2 when you cant ever come off of that dose. Would rather be bald or dead than to fully commit to trans regimen for life as cis.
Spot on. When someone feels adventurous about oral regimens they should first think very hard, and when still feeling adventurous they could maybe try Bicalutamide (after giving Dutasteride sufficient time, of course). Bicalutamide is still relatively benign (in comparison to E2) since it doesn't actually shut down the HPT axis. The effects of Bicalutamide are also (almost) always reversible, which makes a wrong decision more forgiving. Don't mess with E2 when you're male. I'm 100% sure it will be regretted (genuine trans people are an exception, of course).
 

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Spot on. When someone feels adventurous about oral regimens they should first think very hard, and when still feeling adventurous they could maybe try Bicalutamide (after giving Dutasteride sufficient time, of course). Bicalutamide is still relatively benign (in comparison to E2) since it doesn't actually shut down the HPT axis. The effects of Bicalutamide are also (almost) always reversible, which makes a wrong decision more forgiving. Don't mess with E2 when you're male. I'm 100% sure it will be regretted (genuine trans people are an exception, of course).
speaking in absolutes is irresponsible, how could you be 100% sure someone will regret anything.
 

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Don't mess with E2 when you're male. I'm 100% sure it will be regretted (genuine trans people are an exception, of course).
I have not seen a single example where someone would regret it. The side effects of HRT are overrated, not underestimated, which is why we don't see people who would regret. The fact is that people are well aware of the side effects and resort to it when it becomes clear that the second choice is the complete destruction of life due to baldness. No one thinks that HRT has no consequences, so they are not horrified when they get changes.
When the question is between HRT and the destruction of life, you are unlikely to regret
 

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I have not seen a single example where someone would regret it. The side effects of HRT are overrated, not underestimated, which is why we don't see people who would regret. The fact is that people are well aware of the side effects and resort to it when it becomes clear that the second choice is the complete destruction of life due to baldness. No one thinks that HRT has no consequences, so they are not horrified when they get changes.
When the question is between HRT and the destruction of life, you are unlikely to regret
My only negative side-effect with E2 do far has been gyno.

However, since I started taking 5mg of oral Melatonin my gyno has totally resolved
 
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