Finasteride is making me feel 17 again.

Notcoolanymore

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I am here because YOU keep dismissing PFS and calling users "trolls" if they have any side effects during or post use and those shows that you are a cold hearted bastard that either doesn't give a crap about people suffering from PFS or a total ignoramus, even Spencer Kroben admits to PFS. Who the hell are you to dissmiss it over and over again while two HUGE universities that are doing the studies to prove it's existence

You are not a troll if you say you have PFS or sides. I never said that finasteride does not have the potential for side effects. I have a problem when you guys make statements that ALL will get sides. There is a huge difference between telling your experience and saying: "I took finasteride and got sides, stopped and am still dealing with sides" as opposed to the usual: "So many internet testimonials of sides so all who use it will get sides" or "If you don't have sides now it is just a matter of time until you get them" or "Guys that say they don't have sides are in denial". Some of the guys on here that I respect and chat with all the time have had trouble while on finasteride and I don't have a problem with them at all. I have a problem with guys like you that go way overboard with the anti finasteride stuff and do your best to scare people into not treating their hair loss. I don't know what your whole story is but you come across as a guy that either couldn't use finasteride for some reason or got so s**t scared because of finasteride internet trolls(such as yourself) and now you are going bald and want to make sure that many guys suffer the same fate that you have. The fact that you don't see a problem with what you are doing is just plain wrong.

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The PFS Foundation believes this study will:

  • Help establish PFS as a bona fide condition
  • Help uncover some of the underlying biological mechanisms of PFS
  • Elucidate the hormonal, genetic and epigenetic mechanisms of PFS
  • Provide leads for the development of mechanism-specific therapeutic strategies


So they are trying to prove the existence of PFS? Great let them do that before you make definitive statements that all guys that use finasteride will get ED and PFS. Even if they do prove the existence of PFS I still don't see how that will prove that everybody that uses finasteride will get sides. There is a difference between some and all. You want to come on here and tell your story of PFS, go right ahead, but stop trying to scare guys with the lies and exaggerated claims. No study in any link that you will ever provide will ever say that ALL guys that use finasteride will get sides or PFS, so you shouldn't say that either.
 

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PFS doesn't exist. It's difficult to disprove though due to the complexity of the situation but no one who left any of the clinical trials developed "PFS" or "endocrine crash" (LOL).

They may have had real physiological sides whilst on the drug, but these became psychological in the end. Or maybe it was always psychological for them due to placebo/depression/anxiety.

The guy who mentions it's hard getting an erection when you meet someone new, is spot on. Tbh I think if I was having a ONS and really drunk, plus finasteride, I would have those thoughts in my mind too!

But if you can get it up for p**rn/morning erections - then the issue is NOT finasteride.
 

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I am on the fence when it comes to PFS. That alone will enrage the anti finasteride guys. Unless I say yes it exists and all guys will get it they will get upset and start screaming from the mountain top that I am in denial, work for merck, and a bunch of other BS. I believe that there are guys that will get sides, some will get pretty screwed up by the drug. Welcome to the world of prescription drugs. Not to down play the impact that this may have to the guys that are adversely effected, but it happens. At the end of the day I believe most/not all, but most of the guys that claim to have PFS or sides are really dealing with psychosomatic sides. They read all the online stuff and now they have talked themselves into believing they have these issues. "I remember I used to be a sex machine, now I don't perform like I remember, damn finasteride sides", "I have brain fog and was a genius before I took finasteride, must be PFS", "My life sucks now and my dog even died, damn finasteride". I will say some guys are truly suffering and I feel bad for those guys. As far as the other guys(look at this thread and you will see examples of who I am talking about) who are way over the top with this PFS stuff, it just seems to me like they have other issues that may have cause their "PFS".
 

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I am on the fence when it comes to PFS. That alone will enrage the anti finasteride guys. Unless I say yes it exists and all guys will get it they will get upset and start screaming from the mountain top that I am in denial, work for merck, and a bunch of other BS. I believe that there are guys that will get sides, some will get pretty screwed up by the drug. Welcome to the world of prescription drugs. Not to down play the impact that this may have to the guys that are adversely effected, but it happens. At the end of the day I believe most/not all, but most of the guys that claim to have PFS or sides are really dealing with psychosomatic sides. They read all the online stuff and not they have talked themselves into believing they have these issues. "I remember I used to be a sex machine, now I don't perform like I remember, damn finasteride sides", "I have brain fog and was a genius before I took finasteride, must be PFS", "My life sucks now and my dog even died, damn finasteride". I will say some guys are truly suffering and I feel bad for those guys. As far as the other guys(look at this thread and you will see examples of who I am talking about) who are way over the top with this PFS stuff, it just seems to me like they have other issues that may have cause their "PFS".

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Rational:

1. Man, I have been using finasteride for 2 years now and things are going great! I have no sides whatsoever and I feel I have maintained.
2. I'm bummed, I used that stuff for 6 months and had to slowly quit as I was having libido problems and such.
Situation A. I'm glad the problems went away.
Situation B. The problems still persist. I'm doing tests to see what's going on. I will compare it to the tests I had made prior on taking the drug. :unsure:

Irrational:
1. Man, I took finasteride and had no sides AT ALL. Anyone who claims side effects is a moron and a pussy. :gay:
2. Damn you finasteride. I had side effects while using it and they persisted even after I stopped taking the stupid drug. I know this is because of PFS and will denounce it everywhere. :firing:

It's as simple as that really.
 

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I think we can agree though that if something safer came out that most people would drop finasteride for the thing thats safer maybe like CB that is topical with minimal systemic absorption. In other words I dont think most men like taking propecia its just the only option. people always bash it but you never see any real alternative because their arent any. No one is taking for fun.
 

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That is exactly right.

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Finasteride is basically a necessary evil for many men. It means not going bald. And quite frankly some
would give up a lot more than what people have been whining about to keep their hair. 20
percent decrease in erection strength. Who cares. How many times has your woman have issues getting wet?

Never.
 

Virginityrocks

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Just an update. I've increased the amount I've taken over time, from 0.5mg EOD, to 1mg EOD, to currently 1mg daily. Each time I increased the dosage I noticed a temporary lull in my libido, but in faith I persisted and the side effects have gone away each time once my body has adjusted. In fact, the only time my libido had dipped low enough for me to actually worry has been when I had forgotten to take my pill two days in a row, on a weekend when I was not at home. It was after that period that my body began having actual notable problems. Once I was back on finasteride, after a few days of consistent use, my libido climbed back to normal. I have found that simply not masturbating keeps my libido very high. I may actually crave sex more than I did before taking finasteride, and my erections are hard and stable. I feel that it is the hormone imbalance that causes side effects, at least for me, and not the lack of DHT in the blood. Once my body adjusts to those hormone levels I feel no different if not better than I had before. I maintain that I feel younger and more agile than before taking the drug and will continue using it into the future. I will say that I don't feel 17 again, more 19. :p

Incidentally, as my hormones stabilize I have noticed that all of the adverse side effects like acne and libido loss have gone away, though my skin is still more oily than usual, I predict that this will go away in time. Almost 4 months into the drug, and I am happy with the results. My hair has stopped falling out, and may be (although it may in my head) regrowing hairs at the temple. Hairline is stabilizing and may be rethickening slightly, though it is too early to tell. I am looking forward to enjoying the remaining 4 years of my 20s without baldness. ^_^ And if all goes well after a year of use, I will consider a hair transplant to fill in the inch or so of my hairline that male pattern baldness has taken from me and continue with finasteride.

One thing I'd like to say is that strangely, along with making me feel 19 physically, I feel 19 emotionally and intellectually as well. I'm even growing muscle at an exceptionally faster pace. Even my sexual kinks I had at 19 have returned, things I haven't found attractive in a long time. It's very strange, though I am not unhappy. I am wondering why or how this could happen... It's as if the drug has actually taken 7 years off of my life.

I do remember the day when I was 19 that I felt this sudden drop in energy, and I could feel tingling all along the top of my scalp, as if DHT had suddenly started being produced in my blood. I felt depressed, drained, weak, and inhibited, and after about a week I had slowly began regaining my bodily functions, though it never was the same. I had now felt like an adult and not a teenager. It wasn't a bad feeling, but I never did feel the same again. I would begin losing over 100 hairs in the shower all over the top of my scalp, up from 1 or 2 for the next month. A month later I noticed hair aggressively shriveling at my hairline. It was around this time that I researched male pattern baldness and learned of finasteride, but I was scared away by all of the reports of sexual dysfunction. I believe that what I am experiencing is the reversal of that effect. My body has begun taking away the physical and mental developments DHT had given me, like any body part that is no longer in use it is atrophying... but with welcome arms. No, I am not a scientist, and this is just conjecture, but I feel as if the hormone changes are actually causing real, measurable changes to my brain chemistry and function.

It is such an interesting feeling. I almost feel like finasteride is worth it for this experience alone, let alone preventing hairloss. Though I will not pretend to believe that the drug will have this effect on everyone, or that everyone would enjoy the feeling of youth like I am. I will suggest that increasing your dosage slowly over-time like I did would help anyone who had previously experienced massive near-instantaneous side effects from propecia in a previous failed attempt with the drug, as it may cause 'brain panic' if the drug is induced too quickly, and I also suggest that you start at a very low, but still effective dose of 0.5mg EOD, but that above all your comfort levels are paramount. Worry will only cause psychosomatic effects, and to only take as much and as often as you feel comfortable.

I will continue to monitor the drugs effects on my body and mind and report back in a few months.
 

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this means pre-finasteride you had LOW TESTOSTERONE.
FINASTERIDE boosts testosterone productions by increasing LH(Lutheizing hormone in your brain).

do you have labs?

go and get your T levels checked you will see is Testosterone and ESTROGEN is on top of the roof. and quit finasteride for 3-4 months check your levels again.

When you quit finasteride you will feel like 80years old, :( levels.
 

Virginityrocks

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But why would I want to quit? I'll go with the old standard: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I see no reason to experiment merely to appease the anti-finasteride gods. As I said, I don't believe everyone can be successful with finasteride. We are all so very different internally and mentally in areas where pure physical attraction dominates the role in natural selection. Our genes vary so widely under our skin. The best thing you can do is start at a very low dose, see how that effects you in a long run. If the side effects subside or are non-existent, increase your dosage gradually. If you experience any unacceptable side effects that do not subside within 6 weeks, discontinue the drug. There's no way to know how finasteride will effect you, but you cannot deny that there are millions of people throughout the world currently taking finasteride with absolutely no problems at all.

Perhaps my T levels were low. Good. With decreased conversion into DHT my T levels should be normal, as they used to be, which may help explain all of the positive effects the drug has had on me.
 

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the thing you dont unerstand is when you quit the drug you will experience an endocrine crash, if you dont believe me try and see.

try to quit the drug for several weeks and you see your hair loss will be halted forever because of androgen insentivity.

maybe you dont enjoy androgen feelings but i personally love that feeling

there are millions of people throughout the world currently taking finasteride with absolutely no problems at all.
how can you know that? you even dont know your own labs. and whats happening now on your body now :)
are you experiencing LESS facial oilness, this is a major thing, you will experience dry eye syndrome for example just keep a close look at yourself.
this is only one thing,,, your vision will be worsen. keep it in your head. ;)
are you experiencing tinnitus? keep it on your head and just ask yourself when you trying to sleep in a quiet room.
your memory performance will be decreased.
you will experience joint pain muscle twitches
sides is not limited only with libido
its covering all of the brain 5ar is evberywhere.


i hope you all quit this drug and start to recovery for next 15 years.

regards.
 

Virginityrocks

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I'm guessing you're either stupid, trolling, or english is not your first or second language. Yes, maybe you're right. I should stop taking a drug that is causing no noticeable problems to prove your point that I will suffer a lifetime of ill-gotten side effects. Right.

And your medical degree is where?
 

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the thing you dont unerstand is when you quit the drug you will experience an endocrine crash, if you dont believe me try and see.

try to quit the drug for several weeks and you see your hair loss will be halted forever because of androgen insentivity.

maybe you dont enjoy androgen feelings but i personally love that feeling

i hope you all quit this drug and start to recovery for next 15 years.

regards.

You obviously have very limited, if any understanding on the post effects of finasteride.
I decided that after 10 years of use to give my body a break and stop using it for a while. After around 7 weeks, I experienced the worst shed ever, hoped back on it and still haven’t fully recovered what I lost over a year later. And just for the record, my morning woods returned after a couple of weeks.
So please don’t go around spreading crap like this when you have no clue.
 

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Oooo. I like that font, azuri. Stealing it! :sulkoff: An update! Started almost 5 months ago today and I am still feeling amazing, but I cannot forget a day, otherwise my hormones get super ****ed up for up to 3 days. But as long as I stay consistent. Still on 1.25mg per day. A cluster of was-white near-dead hairs on my temples are growing back in dense dark numbers. I don't know why people say finasteride doesn't work on the temples. It is totally working great for me. No noticeable change at the hairline, yet, though those hairs are a lot longer and I probably just can't notice the tiny growth yet. Feeling hornier than before finasteride, and my dick has indeed grown (or maybe finasteride has caused vasodilation...) I actually broke a magnum large yesterday. I'm super thankful for all of these great side effects, and I acknowledge that this is not a drug for everybody, but I tried finasteride once and failed, then tried again with great success. It makes me wonder how many people should try finasteride a second time, and how many people have lost their hair because they didn't want to try again...


 

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Are you only on finasteride or also on rogaine/minoxidil?
 

Virginityrocks

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Just finasteride, and ru58841 soon once my propelyne glycol finally comes in. I used ru58841 for the first month on the temples and hairline but havent since.
 

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If your on finasteride I dont see why anyone would ever stop until something better comes out. Why risk losing it all for no reason unless your getting major sides. Even when something better comes out its gonna cost a fortune you can bet on that. Propecia is cheap now and will stay cheap so its always an option even if better things show up. Keeping hair with AAs isnt going anywhere anytime soon even with more advanced stuff prevention is always best
 

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If your on finasteride I dont see why anyone would ever stop until something better comes out. Why risk losing it all for no reason unless your getting major sides. Even when something better comes out its gonna cost a fortune you can bet on that. Propecia is cheap now and will stay cheap so its always an option even if better things show up. Keeping hair with AAs isnt going anywhere anytime soon even with more advanced stuff prevention is always best

I usually try to only quote segments of posts, but this entire post was good.
 

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Nice to hear some positive things from you, Virginityrocks. How long did your shedding last? The first 3 months of treatment? and now you are just recently seeing some regrowth?
 

Virginityrocks

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I'd say yes, the first 3 to 4 months, with the greatest amount of shedding at about 2 months. My hair has stopped falling out (5 months). My hairloss has dropped from 8 hairs on my hands after a shampoo to 0 to 1. My body has begun to accept life without DHT and I don't seem to suffer from any really mentionable side effects, like ball ache. Life is good.
 
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